I think they've just stuffed up the trap mode timer, it should be five seconds not instant.

Lol

They will just say that the bfb is balanced around 16-24 player games, not 6s. And the amount of spam in bigger games probably does reduce its effectiveness slightly, and the amount of bodies to shoot means that a -2 clip size probably hurts a little more. Not enough though lol

I just watched badlands, and I actually really enjoyed it. It was much more organised than last week, probably because they learnt from it and also are actual teams. There was some counterplay (minisentry to help deny the qf+bfb rush onto last), and some effective offclassing, pyro and gru heavy in particular. I think that this almost warrants its own section/league for more testing, perhaps with scout limited to one though?

Oh, I forgot, I'm also getting my brother a modmic to go with his cans I got for his birthday
He complained for weeks about them not having a microphone >.>

A new mouse, leaning towards the g502 at the moment :D

thanks a lot for the info and the video, I appreciate it! :)

How's your 350 ping scout game, trucker?

What exactly was wrong with the wheel? Hard to get moving? Hard to move it accurately and stop when required? Did you try the free scroll feature, and if so did it fix any of those features? I only need to be able to scroll up and down quickly, i don't care about controlling the distance it scrolls. How was using the scroll wheel as a button (mouse3)?

All I read was that the sensor in the g402 was worse than the one in the g502 (obviously) but I didn't look any further into it once I heard that the 402 has inbuilt accel. What's your position on it pvh, I'm sure you know more than we do.

They're basically 12 hours behind us, so in a coupla hours

I hear it has a bit of smoothing, have you noticed that at all?

It also has a bit of inbuilt mouse acceleration apparently, unless they've fixed that recently through firmware.

@bucake I'm used to appalling mice so I don't suppose my standards are too high, I'll definitely check out the g502. I'll go to a store, hopefully they'll let me play with it and the other recommendations you guys have given me (g400s in particular).

Thanks for all the help and info everyone.

I'm looking for a new mouse, I've read the last few mouse threads here but they haven't addressed all my issues. I was thinking about getting a logitech because of their great customer service, but I'm not 100% sure which one, and if a different brand has a clearly better one i'd be interested. What I'm looking for:

Sensor tracks accurately up to high speeds, I have a reasonably low sens and a lot of the mice I've used in the past can't cope with my flicks (they were all cheap crap though)
No acceleration
Palm grip
Not too tiny, my hands are medium-sized but I don't particularly like really small mice
A side button for PTT, a couple more are useful but not required
Decent mousewheel, atm I use scroll up and down for weapon switching, ideally middle mouse is for melee but my current mouse doesn't have that so i work around it

I've looked a bit at the logitech g502 (have read it might be a little small and has a mediocre mousewheel), g402 (inferior sensor although it doesn't fail at high speeds) and i kinda like the simplicity of the zowie fk but it also has some other negatives. Probably not interested in a Razer, they're a bit overpriced.

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

If the soldiers stop experimenting with the shittier primaries bfb won't be quite as op
Seriously, just because it's an open whitelist doesn't mean that stock still isn't the best generalist weapon, at least for soldier.

That's actually quite sad.

Someone should code a toggleable 'cheat' for him that doesn't actially do anything... the placebo effect will probably help him just as much as +15% accuracy on his shotty does.