Might want to get a banlist from when he said it.

Let's pls not split a single debate into two threads like that, regardless of topicality. It's just going to be confusing.

You just need the http part afaik

#367
That's a good point for some of the people here but I think that the topic of why we're banning the unlocks we already ban is an important and relevant one that needs to be settled before we can understand what we would want out of valve's system, for them to focus on whatever kinds of weapons we also happen to ban and if they have no reason to deem them unbalanced then for us to see if there's some other way of coping with it than banning them.

#359 Viaduct i'm pretty sure

http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/8968-pick-ban-pug-aar-thread

Make sandman harder to hit with

Remove the headshot bonus because it's fucking bugged out

Change the stun duration rampup

there's a million ways to work on it and that's the whole point of this thread

dispensers???

#315 It's like I'm really playing quake on new maps as a low skill dueler!
/bad joke
Agree 100%

#312
What I said isn't a matter of what's necessary or not for a good banning system, it's a matter of practicality. To have a reasonable captains system, you need to know how to identify people as good captains. To do that without the inherently flawed (for this purpose) concept of a personal rating system, you need to have people set up teams and select their own captains. To use these teams in matchmaking, they have to go to queue together. You just can't get a captains system without drafting the captains first (like our pugs) or the teams being prebuilt (like dota 2 lobbies). If you want to use a system that only works with captains then I have bad news for you: it won't work with a public jump-in-and-play matchmaking system.

Who said anything about captains? A matchmaking system couldn't have a reasonable captain system unless you signed up with teams, which is too much.

#3 if you look at the URL it goes to you can fix it easy :p
http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/8782

#71 What happens if valve puts out a patch that breaks an essential weapon, like giving the degreaser double the airblast rate or making the krtizkreig charge twice as fast? They need data about that too, and you can't just give the benefit of the doubt like "they won't do that".

No, you don't get it. Let's say valve accidentally adds an item that is literally a straight direct upgrade to the stock item in every way except for psychological ones, like a scattergun that has a different reloading style but higher DPS at literally every single point in time no matter the situation or reloading order or choice or whatever. So everyone bans it. Then the next week they totally rework the item to be more balanced and interesting, like putting some kind of tactical tradeoff in its properties, and it's hypothetically used a lot less now because it isn't as broken and only has certain metagame usages. So the people who played that earlier week then stopped playing have their banlists affecting the stalemate breaker even though the situation is completely entirely different. This aspect itself absolutely does nothing good and there are several trivial ways to avoid it. You can only count the lists of people who have recently played, you could reset ban/pick status of items when updates happen, you could look at a different statistic that is inherently dynamic with the patching of the game like pick/ban STATS instead of LISTS and so on.