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Geel9I don't think anyone is arguing that transgender people don't exist. There's a difference between being a man in a woman's body (or vice versa) and insisting that there's uncountable possible gender identities and there must be specific pronouns (and people must use these pronouns) for each one
sendbecause identifying as anything other than what you're born as IS ridiculous. it's almost as if it's not really up to you to decide what you are
Yeah...people who say stuff like what send did are generally very transphobic. So thanks for proving my point send. Anyway, if you want to reply to the article I linked that talks about multiple scientific studies that give evidence for the existence of trans people by all means go ahead, otherwise you're just spewing bullshit.
Any games you guys think are worth getting? Doom for $19.79 seems like a good deal.
Geel9I don't think anyone is arguing that transgender people don't exist. There's a difference between being a man in a woman's body (or vice versa) and insisting that there's uncountable possible gender identities and there must be specific pronouns (and people must use these pronouns) for each one
There is also some scientific evidence to show that transgender people who do not identify as either male or female (but instead anywhere in between) are also valid:
"The main problem with a strong dichotomy is that there are intermediate cases that push the limits and ask us to figure out exactly where the dividing line is between males and females,” biology sex expert Arthur Arnold at the University of California, Los Angeles, told Nature. “And that's often a very difficult problem, because sex can be defined a number of ways.”
The scientists discovered the XX and XY cells that differentiate between genders can actually behave in different ways. When scientists took a closer look, they found not all people have cells that contain the same set of genes. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic of different unevenly divided sex cells, which biologists have taken to calling “mosaicism.” Although it’s a rare condition that only affects about 1 in 15,000 people, it still leaves an unidentified population of society outside of the familiar dichotomy."
Tsarbucks It's a meme...
A meme that's meant to make fun of transgender people and suggest that identifying as anything but what you're born as is ridiculous. I see no problem making a reply to it.
Nub_Danishyou say you have no knowledge of the local bill so how do you know a precedent isnt being set
Unless I misread his comment I believe he meant the precedent was being set by the already passed bill.
sendi identify as abraham lincoln
I don't know why I'm even going to bother with this one, but there's a big difference between identifying as a gender and identifying as a person you are not, an inanimate object, or whatever. It's a relatively simple concept, all it means is that someone's brain just doesn't match their physical self. And there is evidence to show that people's biological sex and gender can be different. For example:
"Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability. Several studies have looked for signs that transgender people have brains more similar to their experienced gender. Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqué Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.)"
Taken from: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
Tino_@Whymeo
I gotta ask this because I legit have no idea, but because I am the only one you pointed out in your post are you saying that I dislike trans or any other people and think that they should have no protection or something? I just want to know so I can keep track of who is calling me a transphobe or bigot at any one time...
Anyways I think you missed the point of my post, Things like race are very easy to see and separate for people there are prominent features on people so you can tell them apart, you can tell that someones from the US is different from someone that comes from India, this is easy to do for the most part. My point was that something that is subjective like gender or whatever cannot be seen or defined easily. This is a issue, because if you start mandating that people refer to X, Y or Z as possibly X, Y or Z but they also might be FA, AH or AFGD it really fucks with stuff because you have no idea. Laws need firm guidelines that everyone can follow, that's what a law is. Furthermore the fact that if you don't call a X who actually wants to be a AH, AH, its not something like "Ohh can you change it for me" as it can literally become "I am going sue you for $1,000,000 because you disrespected me. How the fuck does that make ANY logical sense at all? Like I literally don't get it.
Also as I have stated multiple times the bill that is currently being passed is fine, there are no issues with it and it is something that is already enacted in almost all of the provinces in Canada. The issue with the bill is what comes after it, the bills that are currently only provincial bills in places like Ontario are VERY VERY vague, the have no solid definition as to what the actual fuck they are or what they mean. This is the issue, its not about a single bill its about the president that is being set.
No, I was talking about people who use "free speech" arguments in general to make sure trans people don't get discrimination laws protecting them. Thank you for explaining your position however, I have no knowledge about local bills and if they are potentially too vague or not. I'm glad to hear you're fine with the currently passed bill, but I disagree that any bad precedent is being set.
goodboyDon't be such a thick cunt, the bill only extends existing laws against discrimination by recognising discrimination on the basis of gender identity/expression. It's already illegal to discriminate based on skin colour, age, weight, hetero/homosexual etc., and this bill would allow taking an employer to court if you can prove they are discriminating based on your gender identification. It would also allow criminal prosecution in cases where someone is attacked for identifying as a certain gender, or if someone puts out flyers telling people to harm people based on their gender identity; in that sense, it's very close to the laws protecting homosexual people.
It's nowhere suggested that using the wrong pronouns would become a *criminal* offense. Seriously? You have to either be completely ignorant of law or simply baiting to write such bullshit.
Skimming over this thread it seems like most everyone is just ignoring this post. The only reply I noticed was:
Tino_It also has to do with use of said pronouns in contracts or business dealings. EG. If you go to a school and the school does not have your preferred pronoun as a option to use on the legal documents you can theoretically sue them for discrimination. And that is where this law get ridiculous, the law is no longer stating what cannot be said (in a racist or inflammatory matter) but it is stating what you must say for fear of upsetting someone. That is where the real issue with it is. As I said before, having laws in place to keep you from saying x or y to curtail hate is fine and needed. Having laws that tell you what to say on the other had is not. Its the difference between getting in trouble because you didn't hand in homework VS getting in trouble for handing in the homework, but its on a blue sheet of paper instead of green. Regardless of how correct the work is on the paper, or what you have done to get it in you are punished not because you didn't do it but because you didn't do it the preferred way. That't how preschool works not the real world.
Which is just...a mindbogglingly bad argument. Yeah, all the law is saying you can't discriminate trans people (non-binary included) and that fucking legal documents should properly represent various gender identities. I bet this is probably as simple as having an "other" option on paperwork and yet u guys are all getting angry about it lmao.
Here's what I think is actually going on: a large percentage of people don't like trans people so they hide behind things like "free speech" to argue against anything that extends discrimination laws to protect trans people as well. And that's fine, but actually come out and say that. Don't give me these bullshit "free speech" arguments when all ur really saying is "I don't like trans people and they shouldn't have equal protection against discrimination that other minorities have".
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Battlefield 1 is actually a ton of fun if you're willing to pay $60 for it.
You certainly seem to know what you're doing on the website design aspect of things, that gives me hope. Running a league is a ton of work though, hopefully it pans out well enough. The biggest issue will be getting people to actually switch from UGC.
ShunHoly shit Donald Trump lied! No one expected that!
His supporters certainly didn't.
Max_You also havne't answered my question of why should pretty much a handful of states (California, Texas, Florida, New York and Pennsylvania) get to essentially decide the president simply because they have the most people? Sure they might make up the majority of the population but they also don't have the same ideology as the rest of the states as seen by Trump catering to the conservatives in the non coastal states.
The problems you're getting at aren't something that the electoral college are holding back, they're problems that exist because of our primitive form of democracy. Most other democracies do a much better job at representing parties based on what percentage of the vote they get, not just representing the winner like we do here in the U.S. That's the real issue here, and yes, those issues would not be gone if you got rid of the electoral college. However, that doesn't mean that the electoral college is not also a ludicrous system.
Max_Nice way to miss my point completely by the way, where did I say state's rights matter more than the people lol
Your whole argument clearly shows you think states have some sort of rights and they are more important than the country as a whole. You say it is ridiculous that 16% of the electoral votes went to Clinton for winning New York and California and yet the population of New York and California combined make up 18% of the U.S. Thus, you have to be applying some value to the state itself, not the people in it. The people as a whole do no matter - but states must have something approaching equal representation in your mind. This is clear as you somehow think that two states with 18% of the population do not deserve even 16% of the representation in the electoral college. You have somehow decided that states have more rights than the people that live within them and that is quite frankly insane.
catfaceDo you get paid to shill or are you just retarded? The union wants Trump. The most populous cities want Hillary. Trump won twice as many states as Hillary. Do you understand? Maybe she can go be a mayor in one of those cities and you can move there if you love her so much..
The union wants Trump? Because the state borders work out in such a way that he wins the electoral college the union wants him? Despite losing the popular vote? Can you at least admit to yourself that if a Democrat won the electoral college but lost the popular vote you'd be up in arms? Or are your abilities of self-reflection so poor you can't even admit that?
And I like Hillary? Please, I was a Sanders supporter. I hate both the Republican and Democratic Party. They both serve big corporations on their hands and knee, just like Trump is going to do. Unlike you idiots who were fooled by a conman however, I'm capable of comparing two candidates and realizing which one will do less harm to the country. Have fun with Trump draining that swamp by putting people like Newt Gingrich and Stephen Hadley in power tho lol.
Max_Why should two states have that much influence on the election?
You do realize that a person's vote in California already matters less than people in less populous states like Michigan and Wisconsin (which ended up deciding this election) because the way the electoral college works, right? Please tell me you can grasp this concept. Or are you actually suggesting that "state's rights" matter more than the people of the country as a whole? What the fuck...
Oh jeez catface I did not know that the area of land was directly proportional to the number people living there!
Thanks my man!