PC Build Thread

#3031

jorski

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I have returned to ask for your services again. Current PC is dreadful so would rather not wait for a month or so to build a new one. 1500e budget to build a PC that can run and stream tf2 in 1080p with 200+ fps and run new games (mainly looking at monster hunter world) with 60+ fps with good graphics. If the budget doesnt allow for such a rig I would rather just pay more rather than sacrifice in fps.

#3032

DomoCatFace

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Any modifications you would make to this?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CZq2zY

#3033

Setsul

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#3033
You'll probably regret it in a month.
Any particular shop? I'd use pcpartpicker Mongolia as joke but that's almost as far down the priority list as Finland.

#3034
I'm just going to quote you:

DomoCatFaceI am pretty set on the case, it's perfect for what I want (taking it as handluggage on flights and stuff). Unless you know of a case that is portable with one hand this is the one I would prefer to have.

And now you're going to get a case with no handle that's twice as large and can handle full size coolers, but you pick one of the smallest coolers?
Where are you going with that?

#3033
You'll probably regret it in a month.
Any particular shop? I'd use pcpartpicker Mongolia as joke but that's almost as far down the priority list as Finland.

#3034
I'm just going to quote you:
[quote=DomoCatFace]
I am pretty set on the case, it's perfect for what I want (taking it as handluggage on flights and stuff). Unless you know of a case that is portable with one hand this is the one I would prefer to have.[/quote]
And now you're going to get a case with no handle that's twice as large and can handle full size coolers, but you pick one of the smallest coolers?
Where are you going with that?

#3034

DomoCatFace

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Setsul

Sorry I've been at this for a couple of days and gone full circle on what I want multiple times because of people's recommendations and I apolgise for that
Throw everything out of the window of what I said previously and just start again
Hi Setsul, I would like a portable gaming rig that I can take to LANs in and out of the country
Please comment on this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HHYCMZ
I have a budget of about £1.5k and I am open to suggestions
Thank you

[quote=Setsul][/quote]
Sorry I've been at this for a couple of days and gone full circle on what I want multiple times because of people's recommendations and I apolgise for that
Throw everything out of the window of what I said previously and just start again
Hi Setsul, I would like a portable gaming rig that I can take to LANs in and out of the country
Please comment on this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HHYCMZ
I have a budget of about £1.5k and I am open to suggestions
Thank you

#3035

Bowl

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Setsul#3030
If you didn't mess with the settings it is already on.
Still it would be a waste to pay for a K CPU, Z mobo and a cooler and then not use them. Read a bit more about overclocking, there are enough guides out there. FYI the 8600K's architecture is called "Coffee Lake" so that'll help you find an appropriate guide.

It did not come default on; is it fine to do so with my setup

[quote=Setsul]#3030
If you didn't mess with the settings it is already on.
Still it would be a waste to pay for a K CPU, Z mobo and a cooler and then not use them. Read a bit more about overclocking, there are enough guides out there. FYI the 8600K's architecture is called "Coffee Lake" so that'll help you find an appropriate guide.[/quote]

It did not come default on; is it fine to do so with my setup

#3036

Setsul

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#3036
Yes, that makes more sense.
There are few things you could do to save money.
A slightly lower wattage PSU would suffice.
If you're not planning on streaming there'd be basically no difference between the 8600K and 8700K. In fact the lower power consumption might allow for a higher overclock.
You might want to think about whether or not to invest money into overclocking at all. Because there's only so much a cooler of that size can do:
https://www.hardwareslave.com/reviews/cooling/cryorig-c7-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/6/
The C7 is pretty much at the limit with the 8700K at stock clocks and it's not like there are some vastly better coolers at that size.

#3037
Yes. Although I really doubt that it's off.

#3036
Yes, that makes more sense.
There are few things you could do to save money.
A slightly lower wattage PSU would suffice.
If you're not planning on streaming there'd be basically no difference between the 8600K and 8700K. In fact the lower power consumption might allow for a higher overclock.
You might want to think about whether or not to invest money into overclocking at all. Because there's only so much a cooler of that size can do:
https://www.hardwareslave.com/reviews/cooling/cryorig-c7-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/6/
The C7 is pretty much at the limit with the 8700K at stock clocks and it's not like there are some vastly better coolers at that size.

#3037
Yes. Although I really doubt that it's off.

#3037

jorski

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I'll just wait another month then sorry for baiting

#3038

Arie

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DomoCatFaceSorry I've been at this for a couple of days and gone full circle on what I want multiple times because of people's recommendations and I apolgise for that
Throw everything out of the window of what I said previously and just start again
Hi Setsul, I would like a portable gaming rig that I can take to LANs in and out of the country
Please comment on this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HHYCMZ
I have a budget of about £1.5k and I am open to suggestions
Thank you

The 8700k with that motherboard (bad VRM), cooler (can't handle the real wattage of an even slightly overclocked 8700k) and case (lack of airflow) is a waste, if you really want that CPU in a powerful, compact travel build:
Case: Silverstone SG13
Cooler: 120mm AIO (e.g. Corsair H75, or H80i if you want even better cooling/overclocking)
Motherboard: Asrock Z370 Fatality ITX
GPU: Any GPU < 270mm will fit, you can squeeze in a 279mm MSI GPU with some modding.

Now you can easily overclock it (e.g. MCE or all core 5Ghz with an AVX offset), the build is slightly smaller and will be way quieter at load. I'm very confident that this will work as a travel build, since it's basically my portable LAN PC.

Here's my proposed part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/K7F2zY

[quote=DomoCatFace]
Sorry I've been at this for a couple of days and gone full circle on what I want multiple times because of people's recommendations and I apolgise for that
Throw everything out of the window of what I said previously and just start again
Hi Setsul, I would like a portable gaming rig that I can take to LANs in and out of the country
Please comment on this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HHYCMZ
I have a budget of about £1.5k and I am open to suggestions
Thank you[/quote]

The 8700k with that motherboard (bad VRM), cooler (can't handle the real wattage of an even slightly overclocked 8700k) and case (lack of airflow) is a waste, if you really want that CPU in a powerful, compact travel build:
Case: Silverstone SG13
Cooler: 120mm AIO (e.g. Corsair H75, or H80i if you want even better cooling/overclocking)
Motherboard: Asrock Z370 Fatality ITX
GPU: Any GPU < 270mm will fit, you can squeeze in a 279mm MSI GPU with some modding.

Now you can easily overclock it (e.g. MCE or all core 5Ghz with an AVX offset), the build is slightly smaller and will be way quieter at load. I'm very confident that this will work as a travel build, since it's basically my portable LAN PC.

Here's my proposed part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/K7F2zY

#3039

Setsul

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VRMs and airflow don't matter if the cooler can only handle about 10% more power consumption than at stock.

Ariewill be way quieter at load.

That's objectively wrong.
Now of course if we're talking about a proper overclock the C7 would throttle, but it would be quieter.

And as always, fuck aios. http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/469342/pc-build-thread
If we're just going to ignore the handle there's enough cases of that size that support full size coolers.
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5982/corsair-hydro-series-h75-liquid-aio-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html
Abou the same temperature as the NH-U12S at the cost of 10dB. And the U12S isn't even that big. You can guess what happens when you use similar fans on both.

VRMs and airflow don't matter if the cooler can only handle about 10% more power consumption than at stock.

[quote=Arie]will be way quieter at load.[/quote]
That's objectively wrong.
Now of course if we're talking about a proper overclock the C7 would throttle, but it would be quieter.

And as always, fuck aios. http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/469342/pc-build-thread
If we're just going to ignore the handle there's enough cases of that size that support full size coolers.
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5982/corsair-hydro-series-h75-liquid-aio-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html
Abou the same temperature as the NH-U12S at the cost of 10dB. And the U12S isn't even that big. You can guess what happens when you use similar fans on both.

#3040

Arie

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SetsulAriewill be way quieter at load.That's objectively wrong.

My actual builds prove me right. I'm very specific in the build I'm recommending, a height constrained case where you can use a radiator to get fresh air from the front instead of having a tiny crappy CPU fan like the C7 inside a hot shoe box. It's a straight win in noise, temperatures and overclocking capabilities.

SetsulNow of course if we're talking about a proper overclock the C7 would throttle, but it would be quieter.

And as always, fuck aios.

Your hatred of AIOs is ill placed for high-TDP/overclocked SFF builds, where the only good argument against them is imo price. Pump noise is irrelevant on modern units, certainly much lower than fan noise when properly controlled (H75 on DC fan control, H80i on silent mode for example, NZXTs pump speed control, all not hearable in a quiet room at night) and still allows for overclocking. I specifically added a Noctua A12x25 to replace the stock radiator fan, which has way better noise characteristics than the stock fans.

[quote=Setsul][quote=Arie]will be way quieter at load.[/quote]
That's objectively wrong.
[/quote]
My actual builds prove me right. I'm very specific in the build I'm recommending, a height constrained case where you can use a radiator to get fresh air from the front instead of having a tiny crappy CPU fan like the C7 inside a hot shoe box. It's a straight win in noise, temperatures and overclocking capabilities.

[quote=Setsul]
Now of course if we're talking about a proper overclock the C7 would throttle, but it would be quieter.

And as always, fuck aios.
[/quote]

Your hatred of AIOs is ill placed for high-TDP/overclocked SFF builds, where the only good argument against them is imo price. Pump noise is irrelevant on modern units, certainly much lower than fan noise when properly controlled (H75 on DC fan control, H80i on silent mode for example, NZXTs pump speed control, all not hearable in a quiet room at night) and still allows for overclocking. I specifically added a Noctua A12x25 to replace the stock radiator fan, which has way better noise characteristics than the stock fans.

#3041

Setsul

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ArieSetsulAriewill be way quieter at load.That's objectively wrong.My actual builds prove me right. I'm very specific in the build I'm recommending, a height constrained case where you can use a radiator to get fresh air from the front instead of having a tiny crappy CPU fan like the C7 inside a hot shoe box. It's a straight win in noise, temperatures and overclocking capabilities.

I don't think you understand. I didn't say it wouldn't offer better cooling. Just that the C7 would be quieter, while also throttling if any significant overclock was applied.

ArieYour hatred of AIOs is ill placed for high-TDP/overclocked SFF builds, where the only good argument against them is imo price. Pump noise is irrelevant on modern units, certainly much lower than fan noise when properly controlled (H75 on DC fan control, H80i on silent mode for example, NZXTs pump speed control, all not hearable in a quiet room at night) and still allows for overclocking. I specifically added a Noctua A12x25 to replace the stock radiator fan, which has way better noise characteristics than the stock fans.

You know that argument is nonsense. A pump + a fan can never be quieter than the same fan alone. Nearly as good at twice the price isn't a compelling argument.
This is about the form factor. Aios only make sense when the form factor doesn't allow for an equivalent air cooler. The problem is if you can just pick any case of about the same size that limitation doesn't exist. You don't have to do insane things like cramming an NH-D14 in a 13l case but you're not limited to aios.

https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1452789/b/b3/b3502a11_DSC_0037.jpeg

I mean you saw that the ML08 would fit neither a large air cooler nor an aio so you went with one that only fit aios, but not large air coolers. That's not an argument for aios, that's an argument against that case. So no, your build doesn't prove that you're right.

[quote=Arie][quote=Setsul][quote=Arie]will be way quieter at load.[/quote]
That's objectively wrong.
[/quote]
My actual builds prove me right. I'm very specific in the build I'm recommending, a height constrained case where you can use a radiator to get fresh air from the front instead of having a tiny crappy CPU fan like the C7 inside a hot shoe box. It's a straight win in noise, temperatures and overclocking capabilities.[/quote]
I don't think you understand. I didn't say it wouldn't offer better cooling. Just that the C7 would be quieter, while also throttling if any significant overclock was applied.

[quote=Arie]
Your hatred of AIOs is ill placed for high-TDP/overclocked SFF builds, where the only good argument against them is imo price. Pump noise is irrelevant on modern units, certainly much lower than fan noise when properly controlled (H75 on DC fan control, H80i on silent mode for example, NZXTs pump speed control, all not hearable in a quiet room at night) and still allows for overclocking. I specifically added a Noctua A12x25 to replace the stock radiator fan, which has way better noise characteristics than the stock fans.[/quote]
You know that argument is nonsense. A pump + a fan can never be quieter than the same fan alone. Nearly as good at twice the price isn't a compelling argument.
This is about the form factor. Aios only make sense when the form factor doesn't allow for an equivalent air cooler. The problem is if you can just pick any case of about the same size that limitation doesn't exist. You don't have to do insane things like cramming an NH-D14 in a 13l case but you're not limited to aios.
[img]https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1452789/b/b3/b3502a11_DSC_0037.jpeg[/img]

I mean you saw that the ML08 would fit neither a large air cooler nor an aio so you went with one that only fit aios, but not large air coolers. That's not an argument for aios, that's an argument against that case. So no, your build doesn't prove that you're right.

#3042

Arie

serveme.tf

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SetsulThe problem is if you can just pick any case of about the same size that limitation doesn't exist. You don't have to do insane things like cramming an NH-D14 in a 13l case but you're not limited to aios.

I love the Rajintek Metis, a friend has a build in one. He did have to drill all the GPU ventilation holes and because he migrated from a Node 202 (with longer GPU clearance) he had to take out the front USB/audio to get a 266mm 1070Ti in. Having to reverse the PSU fan to get it fresh air is also annoying.
Personally, I think the NCase M1 is a great example of a compact case supporting good air coolers and overclocking.

SetsulI mean you saw that the ML08 would fit neither a large air cooler nor an aio so you went with one that only fit aios, but not large air coolers.

That's an unnecessary negative way to look at my motivation, I simply went with the SG13 because that's the one I've built three PCs in (and two in its SG05 predecessor), because it's a great case for travelling with, supports decently long GPUs, because you can overclock it if you pick the right parts and you can run it as a low noise build.
Since I have experience with most of the parts and type of build the poster mentioned wanting, I thought I'd share those, but I'll get off your lawn now.

[quote=Setsul]The problem is if you can just pick any case of about the same size that limitation doesn't exist. You don't have to do insane things like cramming an NH-D14 in a 13l case but you're not limited to aios.[/quote]

I love the Rajintek Metis, a friend has a build in one. He did have to drill all the GPU ventilation holes and because he migrated from a Node 202 (with longer GPU clearance) he had to take out the front USB/audio to get a 266mm 1070Ti in. Having to reverse the PSU fan to get it fresh air is also annoying.
Personally, I think the NCase M1 is a great example of a compact case supporting good air coolers and overclocking.

[quote=Setsul]I mean you saw that the ML08 would fit neither a large air cooler nor an aio so you went with one that only fit aios, but not large air coolers.[/quote]

That's an unnecessary negative way to look at my motivation, I simply went with the SG13 because that's the one I've built three PCs in (and two in its SG05 predecessor), because it's a great case for travelling with, supports decently long GPUs, because you can overclock it if you pick the right parts and you can run it as a low noise build.
Since I have experience with most of the parts and type of build the poster mentioned wanting, I thought I'd share those, but I'll get off your lawn now.

#3043

Setsul

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I've got no issue with you recommending an aio for the SG13 or you liking the SG13 because you've used it yourself, just don't try to make it out to be something that it isn't.

You can't just assume that everyone wants the same thing you want. You might like that case and if you want that case and want to overclock as well an aio is your only option, but neither of those are a given here.

If you aren't dead set on that case then you can't justify the aio.
If you want a carrying handle the case is right out.
If you don't want to overclock all the worrying about cooling is pointless.
If you want a SFF silent build I'd still go with an air cooler, but a different case.
If you don't want a silent build there's always the fun option of single tower cooler + >=3k rpm fan.

You've recommended a very specific build for a very specific set of requirements (yours) which are simply not given here.

On that note I'm still trying to find out what Domo actually wants. That's why I haven't posted anything more constructive or even a part list yet. He needs to make up his mind about the handle, size and overclocking first.

I've got no issue with you recommending an aio for the SG13 or you liking the SG13 because you've used it yourself, just don't try to make it out to be something that it isn't.

You can't just assume that everyone wants the same thing you want. You might like that case and if you want that case and want to overclock as well an aio is your only option, but neither of those are a given here.

If you aren't dead set on that case then you can't justify the aio.
If you want a carrying handle the case is right out.
If you don't want to overclock all the worrying about cooling is pointless.
If you want a SFF silent build I'd still go with an air cooler, but a different case.
If you don't want a silent build there's always the fun option of single tower cooler + >=3k rpm fan.

You've recommended a very specific build for a very specific set of requirements (yours) which are simply not given here.

On that note I'm still trying to find out what Domo actually wants. That's why I haven't posted anything more constructive or even a part list yet. He needs to make up his mind about the handle, size and overclocking first.

#3044

DomoCatFace

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I didn't want to get in the middle of this friendly debate.

Setsul

Handle: Really not bothered it's nice but not necessary at all. Kind of realised I would have to bag it up and would not really have a use for it.
Size: I'm not sure how to answer this one, both the cases you and Arie listed look fine in terms of size.
Overclocking: I never planned on overclocking I assumed the way it comes would be enough for what I need, I think I would happy with the default settings.

I didn't want to get in the middle of this friendly debate.

[quote=Setsul][/quote]

Handle: Really not bothered it's nice but not necessary at all. Kind of realised I would have to bag it up and would not really have a use for it.
Size: I'm not sure how to answer this one, both the cases you and Arie listed look fine in terms of size.
Overclocking: I never planned on overclocking I assumed the way it comes would be enough for what I need, I think I would happy with the default settings.

#3045

Setsul

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Ok, no handle does make things easier.
The cases are almost the same size, the question is how small do you want it? There's still a lot of options between that and the Core V1 at twice and the Bitfenix Prodigy at three times the size.
Well if you don't plan on overclocking you can get cheaper components and not worry about the cooling.

#3046

DomoCatFace

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If we could keep a similar size relative to the ones you guys were speaking about that would be great. Basically any size small enough to slide into a backpack/small suitcase.

Wouldn't you want to downgrade if you were planning on overclocking so you could match the same power as better components? or am I just being dumb.

Cheers

If we could keep a similar size relative to the ones you guys were speaking about that would be great. Basically any size small enough to slide into a backpack/small suitcase.

Wouldn't you want to downgrade if you [b]were[/b] planning on overclocking so you could match the same power as better components? or am I just being dumb.

Cheers

#3047

Setsul

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Well you can measure your backpack/suitcase to find the upper limit. There's thinner and more cube like cases, I don't know which you prefer.

No? This is Intel, only the most expensive CPUs/chipset are unlocked.
I mean you could get the 2600 instead, but it's not much cheaper or any faster in games, even overclocked, so why bother? But B360+8600 would be cheaper than Z370+8700K and wouldn't make any difference for anything other than TF2.

Well you can measure your backpack/suitcase to find the upper limit. There's thinner and more cube like cases, I don't know which you prefer.

No? This is Intel, only the most expensive CPUs/chipset are unlocked.
I mean you could get the 2600 instead, but it's not much cheaper or any faster in games, even overclocked, so why bother? But B360+8600 would be cheaper than Z370+8700K and wouldn't make any difference for anything other than TF2.

#3048

cin

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#3049

Setsul

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1. Yes, just for TF2 I'd choose the i3 but for streaming the i5 might be worth it (depends on the settings/quality you're going for).
Keep in mind that most of the benefit for TF2 comes from the higher clockrate so you really have to overclock it. For <10% at stock clocks the upgrade wouldn't be worth it.

2. S = asymmetric, 1 fan instead of 2, all for better RAM/PCIe slot compatibility. If you get RAM without overly tall heatspreaders and a mobo with an x1 slot in the first position that you can live without or nothing (like the one you picked) then the NH-D15 will fit.
Similar options exist, most of them louder https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7301/noctua-nh-d15s-style-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
below 150W Le Grand Macho RT does extremely well https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7986/thermalright-le-grand-macho-rt-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
above 150W I'd put my money on the NH-D15.

3. Yes, 550W is plenty.

A bit higher frequency/lower latency RAM wouldn't hurt for TF2.

1. Yes, just for TF2 I'd choose the i3 but for streaming the i5 might be worth it (depends on the settings/quality you're going for).
Keep in mind that most of the benefit for TF2 comes from the higher clockrate so you really have to overclock it. For <10% at stock clocks the upgrade wouldn't be worth it.

2. S = asymmetric, 1 fan instead of 2, all for better RAM/PCIe slot compatibility. If you get RAM without overly tall heatspreaders and a mobo with an x1 slot in the first position that you can live without or nothing (like the one you picked) then the NH-D15 will fit.
Similar options exist, most of them louder https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7301/noctua-nh-d15s-style-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
below 150W Le Grand Macho RT does extremely well https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7986/thermalright-le-grand-macho-rt-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
above 150W I'd put my money on the NH-D15.

3. Yes, 550W is plenty.

A bit higher frequency/lower latency RAM wouldn't hurt for TF2.

#3050

cin

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#3051

Wandum

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My old 770 recently kicked the bucket so I need a new gpu. Im not really in a hurry to buy a new one but im thinking of getting a 1060 of some kind.
I dont really keep up with hardware so Id really appreciate some recommendations for a new gpu. Probsbly not willing to spend more than like 350 euro.

#3052

DomoCatFace

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Sorry its been a few days
I measured my suitcase and found the maximum dimensions the case could be
Length: 44cm
Width : 34cm
Height: 16cm

I'd say because of the height restriction the prefered shape would be the thinner the better. My backpack has the same Width and Length but the Height is much more lacking. Open to recommendations

I think i'll go with the cheaper board and chip if it doesn't make too much of a difference
Thanks

Sorry its been a few days
I measured my suitcase and found the maximum dimensions the case could be
Length: 44cm
Width : 34cm
Height: 16cm

I'd say because of the height restriction the prefered shape would be the thinner the better. My backpack has the same Width and Length but the Height is much more lacking. Open to recommendations

I think i'll go with the cheaper board and chip if it doesn't make too much of a difference
Thanks

#3053

Setsul

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#3052
Keep in mind that the NH-D15 is a bit overkill for this. Have you considered delidding the 8350K?

Did you pick the mobo by features? If not you could compare a few.
Airflow shouldn't be a problem but at the same price there are a few mobos with better VRM cooling or straight up better VRMs. https://www.overclock.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=99753

#3053
Do you want an upgrade (how much?) or just roughly the same performance again?

#3052
Keep in mind that the NH-D15 is a bit overkill for this. Have you considered delidding the 8350K?

Did you pick the mobo by features? If not you could compare a few.
Airflow shouldn't be a problem but at the same price there are a few mobos with better VRM cooling or straight up better VRMs. https://www.overclock.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=99753

#3053
Do you want an upgrade (how much?) or just roughly the same performance again?

#3054

Bowl

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cini'm considering the idea of doing a cpu/ram upgrade in the future when i save enough money
this is my current build which i am using right now

and this is what i've come up with for a post-upgrade build

the only things that really matter to me with this build are performance on source games (extremely important) and performance when streaming (somewhat important)

i have a few questions and also please tell me if there's anything here that could be done better for the same price or equally well for cheaper
so for the questions then

1. in theory, should i get an i5 8600k or an i3 8350k based on what i'm trying to do? the i3 seems like a direct upgrade from my current cpu for a great price but the i5 8600k has 6 cores which makes me feel like it'd be a lot easier to stream and still have enough fps to play well using it

I use the i5-8600K w core boost and it runs great w streaming if that is your goal whilst playing— 550 watts should be fina I personally use 650

[quote=cin]i'm considering the idea of doing a cpu/ram upgrade in the future when i save enough money
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hxwRq4]this[/url] is my current build which i am using right now

and [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hdZ6KB]this[/url] is what i've come up with for a post-upgrade build

the only things that really matter to me with this build are performance on source games (extremely important) and performance when streaming (somewhat important)

i have a few questions and also please tell me if there's anything here that could be done better for the same price or equally well for cheaper
so for the questions then

1. in theory, should i get an i5 8600k or an i3 8350k based on what i'm trying to do? the i3 seems like a direct upgrade from my current cpu for a great price but the i5 8600k has 6 cores which makes me feel like it'd be a lot easier to stream and still have enough fps to play well using it[/quote]

I use the i5-8600K w core boost and it runs great w streaming if that is your goal whilst playing— 550 watts should be fina I personally use 650

#3055

Kosuke

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hi tftv im building a new pc for a friend he has around 600e for a pc and he already got a monitor i have a few plans but if someone can recommend me a build id be grateful

#3056

Wandum

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Setsul#3053
Do you want an upgrade (how much?) or just roughly the same performance again?

An upgrade would be nice but i dont really mind not getting a massive boost in performance. Mostly just looking for something that will make my pc useable again. Not looking to downgrade tho. Thanks in advance.

[quote=Setsul]
#3053
Do you want an upgrade (how much?) or just roughly the same performance again?[/quote]
An upgrade would be nice but i dont really mind not getting a massive boost in performance. Mostly just looking for something that will make my pc useable again. Not looking to downgrade tho. Thanks in advance.

#3057

Setsul

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#3054
That actually rules out the TU100 (170x277x252mm), ML08 (380x87x370mm) and SG13 (222x181x285mm).
I'll look for a case later today.

#3057
And what are you going to use it for?

#3058
Ok, ignoring used GPUs, which would obviously be cheaper, that means you can get something between a 1050 Ti (150-180€, about the same speed) and a 1060 6GB (250-300€, ~+70%) or 580 (~250€, depends mostly on 4 vs 8GB).
Obviously there're the 1060 3GB and 570 between those, since you don't need the full +70% you could still get a significant upgrade for less money. Obviously it's not worth it if you don't want/need an upgrade, but otherwise those would be the sweetspot.

Do you plan on using FreeSync or G-Sync in the future?

#3054
That actually rules out the TU100 (170x277x252mm), ML08 (380x87x370mm) and SG13 (222x181x285mm).
I'll look for a case later today.

#3057
And what are you going to use it for?

#3058
Ok, ignoring used GPUs, which would obviously be cheaper, that means you can get something between a 1050 Ti (150-180€, about the same speed) and a 1060 6GB (250-300€, ~+70%) or 580 (~250€, depends mostly on 4 vs 8GB).
Obviously there're the 1060 3GB and 570 between those, since you don't need the full +70% you could still get a significant upgrade for less money. Obviously it's not worth it if you don't want/need an upgrade, but otherwise those would be the sweetspot.

Do you plan on using FreeSync or G-Sync in the future?

#3058

DomoCatFace

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Setsul

The case i measured is a hardshell case, but I also have a gym bag with almost identical measurements (same length but 2cm less width) which has a bit of stretch to it. It also has about 26cm of height available. If these measurments are too restricting buying a new suitcase could be an option. Thanks

[quote=Setsul][/quote]
The case i measured is a hardshell case, but I also have a gym bag with almost identical measurements (same length but 2cm less width) which has a bit of stretch to it. It also has about 26cm of height available. If these measurments are too restricting buying a new suitcase could be an option. Thanks

#3059

Setsul

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Oh don't worry, we just need something slightly shorter than the ML08.
Volume isn't a problem, 24l is plenty. If it weren't for the width it would fit a full ATX case e.g. the Xigmatek Prospect (162x370x370mm).
The largest, which should just about fit, would be the ML04 (440x105x340mm). Normal ATX PSU and µATX mobo. GPU length essentially unlimited (350mm).
Next would be the AeroCool CS-101 (300x112x427mm) and QS-102 (300x100x415mm). Not exactly the highest quality you've ever seen, but they're quite cheap and they'd fit. Still µATX and pretty much no restrictions on GPUs (240mm) but SFX PSU.
Then there's mini-ITX cases.
Fractal Design Node 202 (377x88x332mm). Mini-ITX as mentioned, SFX-L, 310mm GPU.
Kolink Rocket (235x125x328mm). Same as the node 202, but with different dimension and a bit smaller in volume.
And lastly the Lian Li PC-Q20B (149x235x205mm). This is by far the smallest case and would limit the GPU to 151mm.

This is by no means an exhaustive list. You've really got plenty of options.

Oh don't worry, we just need something slightly shorter than the ML08.
Volume isn't a problem, 24l is plenty. If it weren't for the width it would fit a full ATX case e.g. the Xigmatek Prospect (162x370x370mm).
The largest, which should just about fit, would be the ML04 (440x105x340mm). Normal ATX PSU and µATX mobo. GPU length essentially unlimited (350mm).
Next would be the AeroCool CS-101 (300x112x427mm) and QS-102 (300x100x415mm). Not exactly the highest quality you've ever seen, but they're quite cheap and they'd fit. Still µATX and pretty much no restrictions on GPUs (240mm) but SFX PSU.
Then there's mini-ITX cases.
Fractal Design Node 202 (377x88x332mm). Mini-ITX as mentioned, SFX-L, 310mm GPU.
Kolink Rocket (235x125x328mm). Same as the node 202, but with different dimension and a bit smaller in volume.
And lastly the Lian Li PC-Q20B (149x235x205mm). This is by far the smallest case and would limit the GPU to 151mm.

This is by no means an exhaustive list. You've really got plenty of options.

#3060

DomoCatFace

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Thanks for the suggestions :)
How does this look for a final build + the ML04 as you suggested (It's not listed on the pc picker)
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Txkdvn