Hey, my father said he'd like a new pc so I need help with picking the parts.

He'd be using it for home use such as browsing, watching movies etc. He won't be gaming on it.
He said he wants 1TB of HDD space and a DVD drive.
Already have a spare monitor that he'll use.

Budget is 270 € / ~300$ / 2000 kn.

We'll be buying the parts from these 2 local stores:
https://www.links.hr/en/
https://www.instar-informatika.hr/

Sorry for the inconvenience with the second site, seems that they don't have a english translation.

If there is a better part that can't be found in those 2 stores, feel free to point it out and I'll see if we could find it somewhere else.

#2341
Video production as in rendering?
There's a lot of new CPUs being released with lots of cores, wait until after that before deciding on a partlist. Can't predict what the prices in September will be.

#2342
Buying soon or sometime in the future?

Hi

Been using a 60hz monitor for decades now and kinda want to try a 144hz monitor.
Got a Asus ROG GR6 ( specs https://www.asus.com/Mini-PCs/ROG_GR6/specifications/ )
This "PC" has a HDMI and DisplayPort output, so DVI-D won't be possible.
Was thinking of buying this monitor ( http://aoc-europe.com/en/products/g2460pg )

Yes / No?

Cheers,
Byte

That monitor only got DisplayPort anyway.
Do you want G-Sync or why that specific monitor?

G-Sync doesn't support GTX 960m yet, but don't really care about it.
You recommend other monitors? I picked that one cuz it seemed reasonable to buy ( 390 € on komplett.no )

If you had DVI-DL
https://www.komplett.no/product/895820/gaming/skjerm-tilbehoer/skjermer/benq-zowie-24-led-xl2411#

but you probably don't want to use an adapter so
https://www.komplett.no/product/837903/gaming/skjerm-tilbehoer/skjermer/acer-24-predator-led-xb240h#

Buying it soon.

Editing for the most part but yes, buttloads of rendering :3
I'll wait then thanks :)

#2342
CPU: https://www.instar-informatika.hr/procesor-intel-celeron-g3930-29ghz-2mb-lga-1151/int%2Dsl%2Dc%2Dg3930/product/
G4600 would be great if you could find and afford it, but I don't think you can.
If some massive bullshit is going on and the mobo won't boot without a BIOS update with that CPU then https://www.instar-informatika.hr/procesor-intel-celeron-g3900-28ghz2mblga-1151-akcija-/int%2Dsl%2Dc%2Dg3900/product/
Mobo: https://www.instar-informatika.hr/maticna-asrock-lga1151-h110m-dgs-d4-maxi-ponuda/ASR%2DH110M%2DDGS/product/
https://www.links.hr/en/maticna-ploca-asrock-h110m-dgs-intel-h110-ddr4-zvuk-g-lan-s-ata-3-pci-e-usb-3-0-dvi-d-matx-s-1151-050300067
Wherever it's cheaper.
Had to cheap out on the mobo, but that's what happens with that budget.
RAM: https://www.links.hr/en/memorija-pc-17066-4-gb-apacer-el-04g2r-kdm-ddr4-2133mhz-051221022
Can't afford better/more sadly.
HDD: https://www.instar-informatika.hr/hard-disk-toshiba-p300-35-1tb-7200rpm-64mb-ncq-af-sataiii-bulk-maxi-ponuda/HDWD110UZSVA/product/
or https://www.links.hr/en/tvrdi-disk-1000-0-gb-seagate-barracuda-guardian-st1000dm010-hdd-sata3-64mb-cache-7200-okr-min-3-5-za-desktop-051500117
whichever is cheaper.
ODD: https://www.links.hr/en/dvd-rw-lg-gh24nsd1-24x-sata-dual-layer-crna-bulk-052112401
PSU: https://www.instar-informatika.hr/napajanje-corsair-psu-builder-series-cx450-450-watt-eu-version/CP%2D9020120%2DEU/product/
Yes, there are some much cheaper PSUs in both shops and they are that cheap because they are garbage.

And then some cheap case.

:DDDDDDDD what a coincidence. i actually got this monitor 2 days ago and its already packed up for return due to a thick line of dead pixels across the screen :-)

That RAM isn't avaliable, any ohter one I could get?

As for myself, which monitor should I chose? The ASUS VG248QE or the BenQ XL2420Z?
All I want from the monitor is for it to be good for TF2 and have 144hz. Those two also fit my budget for it.

#2352
Wait why did you get it if you don't have DVI?

#2353
https://www.links.hr/en/memorija-pc-17066-4-gb-g-skill-aegis-f4-2400c15s-4gis-ddr4-2133mhz-4gb-051200051

VG248QE is old and mediocre at best to outright bad these days.
XL2420Z is outdated and I don't see any real advantage over the XL2411Z.
Why not the BenQ XL2411Z, now sold as BenQ Zowie XL2411?
What are you looking for anything? Just 144Hz? Lightboost/ULMB? G-Sync/Freesync?

I typed it in wrong, I did mean the BenQ XL2411Z.

All I'm looking for is for it to be 144hz.

My and my friend bought this monitor a while ago. It's one of the worst monitors I've had. It has a very bad color contrast and it's impossible to set them up, why not just take AOC G2460PF or Acer G6 GN246HLBbid instead?

#2355
Cheaper option would be https://www.instar-informatika.hr/monitor-acer-24-xf240hbmjdpr-gaming-free-sync-1ms-full-hd/ACR%2D1477/product/

#2356
Impossible to set up?
If you complain about contrast why would you recommend a monitor with even worse contrast?
GN246HL

http://xsreviews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Screenshot-2014-10-21-02.24.27.png

Same reviewer, so you can't complain the measurement is different:
XL2411

http://xsreviews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/4.png

Either you're doing something wrong or you're expecting too much from a 144 Hz TN panel.

Alright, thanks a lot for the help with the build and the monitor!

Hello again.

Seeing as it's been 3 weeks, my initial post is here and your last reply here. Given that I wasn't going going to reply for this long, I should at least have posted to thank you for the help you'd given so far, so sorry about that.

Brother's friend:

Is totally happy with the list you put together for him. He decided to wait until his exams finished before buying, but is now ordering components. Thanks for all the assistance you gave.

Father:

Wanted to make the following changes, and was willing to stretch his budget to accommodate them:

Bigger case (Fractal Design Core 1500 instead of Fractal Design Core 1100) to give him the option of adding a second HDD, which I believe wouldn't have been possible with the old case because of the length of the graphics card.

Larger SSD (Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB instead of SK hynix SL308 250 GB).

Internal SD card reader (couldn't find PCPartPicker category for this type of component - Amazon link).

Full revised list is shown below.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£195.42 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£63.87 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (£123.00 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£131.94 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£116.97 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 460 2GB Dual OC Video Card (£73.00 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design - Core 1500 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£50.65 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£48.39 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£83.94 @ Aria PC)
Other: CSL 3.5" all-in-one USB 3.0 (Super Speed) card reader (£14.85)
Total: £902.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-24 17:21 BST+0100

Brother's friend:
I hope the prices didn't change too much. Generally I try to make partlists less than a week before ordering for that reason.
Can't blame him for waiting until after the exams though, getting a new pc right before that surely wouldn't have helped his grades.

Father:
Yes, 100£ more can definitely be put to good use here.
Keep in mind that the SSD also needs a slot, but fits in the bottom slot even with a 200mm GPU installed and the top slot is completely unaffected. So the external/5.25" bays still would've had room for more. The HDD bracket does complicate the assembly though, so I would've done the same with the added budget.

The 850 Evo is a bit faster than the SL308. I have no idea why the 500GB version is cheaper than the SL308 500GB, but definitely would've made the same choice.

Is he going to use the USB 3.0 ports on top of the case or rather the USB 3.0 ports at the front that the card reader will provide? A mobo with 2 interal USB 3.0 headers will fit neither the budget nor the case. So he'll have to choose which ports will be connected. If he's fine with using the case's own ports at the top he can save a few quid and get the version of the card reader without the additional USB 3.0 ports.

On that note, an upgrade to a mobo with 4 RAM slots is within budget and makes adding additional RAM later possible. I chose the ASRock B350M Pro4 because it comes with 2 PCIe x16 slots instead of one and angled SATA connectors are a blessing for cable management. However there's only 4 of them (instead of the usual 6, instead there's 2 M.2 slots instead of 1) so if your father plans on using more than 4 SSDs/HDDs with none of them using M.2 slots the Asus Prime B350M-A might be the better choice.

RAM prices changed so I was able to replace that with something cheaper and faster.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£195.42 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£75.98 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£116.77 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£131.94 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£116.97 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus - Radeon RX 460 2GB Dual OC Video Card (£73.00 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design - Core 1500 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£50.65 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£48.39 @ Ebuyer)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£83.94 @ Aria PC)
Other: CSL 3.5" all-in-one USB 2.0 (High Speed) card reader (£7.85)
Total: £900.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-24 19:02 BST+0100

Hey Setsul, I'm looking to buy my computer with in the next week or so, do you expect anything to release within that time that would be worth waiting for?

Budget is between $1500-$2000 including 144 hz monitor (1080p) and windows key. I want as much future proofing as possible so I don't have to upgrade too much in the near future. Don't really do video editing or any heavy rendering. This will primarily be used for games and general not too intensive school work. I don't do picture or digitial editing so colors on the monitor don't have to be that high quality. I would loke to be able to stream though

G-Sync/Free Sync No
IPS Yes (I've read that IPS panels have higher response times than TN panels, if so is it a noticeable difference? If it is then I don't want/need an IPS panel)
Overclock Yes

As close to 144+ fps on medium settings preferebly high settings at the very least for games like The Division. Rainbow 6 siege, Far Cry, Triple A titles, etc.

Think I have everything that you usually ask for

The store removed that monitor you recommended me and didnt tell me anything.

Do I go with the BENQ 24" XL2411Z-3D or AOC 24" G2460PF?

#2361
Well the first Vega card was released, but you can't afford it. Performance is looking good though, so it might be worth waiting another month for the normal cards.
"Future proofing" doesn't really work. There's also the problem that either you can buy a high clocked quad core or a lower clocked 6/8 core. The 6/8 core would be more "future proof" but slightly slower in everything except streaming right now and more expensive. You could wait for Intel's desktop 6 cores, which should have a bit higher clockrates than the HEDT ones, but that's August or September and no idea about the prices either.
Or go with Ryzen, much cheaper, but again, a bit slower when you can't use 6/8 cores.

About the monitors: For 120/144 you can get IPS panels that are about as fast (just not 165/180/240 Hz), but they'll cost about 4 times as much as a TN panel.

#2362
XL2411Z (or BenQ Zowie XL2411, identical) for Lightboost / ULMB / BenQ Blur Reduction Utility, G2460PF for FreeSync.

Many games don't use more than the first 2 or 3 cores right? I don't think I would benefit from more cores because I don't really do anything that would make use of those extra cores, I could be wrong though. By future proofing I meant more along the lines of I'd rather go with a 1080/1070 over a 980/970 even if the difference between them isn't that big. Streaming isn't my primary goal just something I'd like to do. My current desktop (FX-8350 and HD 7770) can't really handle it very well although it is possible on it. I'd rather not wait till August or September to build if at all possible unless it is really worth it to wait.

For monitors: I'd be fine with just a 144 hz TN panel then.

Not the first cores, just in general. Yes, most games use 2-4 cores, though some use more.

I have no idea how that is future proofing. Are you saying you want to buy something that's not much faster but almost the same price or something that's not much faster and much more expensive? Either way it doesn't make sense to me.

The problem is if you think your FX-8350 (4 "modules"/8 threads) does not handle streaming well then how do you think a quad core (4 cores/ 4 or 8 threads) will fare?

I'm not saying you're guaranteed to regret it if you're buying now, but it seems rather likely.

I guess it's less of future proofing and more of not minding spending extra money on a part that is slightly better than an older one. About the streaming issue I believe it has more so to do with my GPU more so than CPU, as well as other issues I've had with the computer mainly RAM and BSODing a while back.

If it's not to much could you spec out a build if I want to build soon? And if I end up waiting I'll come back august/septemberish?

If you're using x264 to encode (like you should) then 100% of it runs on the CPU. The GPU is not involved at all.
If your pc is BSODing or throwing RAM errors it got other problems.

Can do a list on Thursday but that won't tell you what'll be released in August/September so you might want to read up on that.
Also how quad cores perform when streaming.

The problem I had would my fps would drop from 300ish to 20 and stay there for 5 seconds at a time. That only happened when I was streaming. Yeah I know the BSOD and RAM failing wasn't related to streaming but I've always had issues with it.

Greatly appreciated and I'll see what's been announced or will most likely be announced

Edit: I think I would be better off with a Quad Core with the higher base clock speed's rather than more cores.

x

Hey Setsul, wanna get a 1060 or a rx 570 at msrp, but it seems gpus are just selling out fucking fast, how long until I can just a 1060 for a reasonable price again?

#2368
Something like this then.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($326.49 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Enermax - ETS-T40F-BK 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($40.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z270M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($113.45 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.49 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Video Card ($759.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ - XL2411 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($289.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1975.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-29 17:39 EDT-0400

Case and monitor are obviously just one possible option each. You could get a better cooler but Kaby Lake chokes on its heat without delidding and delidded there's not a whole lot of wattage to cool so better cooler won't make much of a difference either way. Larger SSD/HDD if you want/need it.

#2369
Rough sketch, will improve on that if he likes the concept.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (€249.90 @ Amazon France)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (€50.02 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (€88.69 @ Amazon France)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€139.30 @ Amazon France)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€96.00 @ Amazon France)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€45.90 @ Amazon France)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Xtreme Edition 11G Video Card (€759.99 @ Amazon France)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (€44.93 @ Amazon France)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (€89.90 @ Amazon France)
Total: €1564.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-29 23:42 CEST+0200

1600X because a 7700K isn't much faster in games and compared with i5s the difference is negligible at the same price. 50% more cores and 50%/200% more threads though, which is nice. The main point though is AMD will keep the socket the same until at least 2020 so it'll be possible to upgrade without replacing the mobo. Intel will move to a different socket next year.
The rest is more or less standard, don't care much about the case.

Like I said I'll have to redo this because as you can see pcpartpicker France knows a lot of French retailers. Your options are Amazon France, which is expensive, and for a select few items there's the option of LDLC, which is even more expensive.

#2370
Only if you can accurately predict the ethereum price. Anyone who can (spoiler: no one really can do anything but make educated guesses) won't tell you because by not telling anyone they can make a lot of money.

Thanks for the build, I'll let you know if I end up buying now or waiting till August