#1291
Thanks for the quick response,
1. Sometime at the end of June or in July
2. Gaming (Overwatch, cs, civ, battlefield etc.)
3. I will ask him if he wants to wait, but what makes it so good to consider waiting for it?
4. I wasn't aware of that, is using an overclocking chipset with a locked CPU bad?
5. I'll go with the R9 390 for now
6. Any other well-priced cases?
7. I'll look into alternatives.

#1292
1./3. By the time he builds it'll be available already. 50-100% better price to performance ratio is worth it I'd say.
2. Ok. The GPU might actually be overkill if he only wants 60fps. By the way he could definitely get a 144Hz monitor on that budget.
4. You're paying for the option to overclock, which you can't. Simply a waste of money.
5. Ok. Keep in mind that my example for Polaris, the RX 480 will be only 200€ but with better performance. Otherwise the 390 is a good placeholder.
6. What about microATX? Smaller cases are cheaper by default without sacrifcing any features.
7. I can find something once the time comes. Just FYI the pcpartpicker calculator isn't perfect but good enough. So if it says 350W then a 400W PSU is plenty. This is why I'm not picking a PSU yet, an RX 480 needs far less power than an R9 390.

Forgot to mention that he could/should also get an SSD. 850 Evo is the usual recommendation.

Any thoughts/suggestions regarding this build? I'll mainly be using it for gaming (Overwatch, TF2, nothing too intensive), and the cheaper the better. I plan to build soon, and use integrated graphics until the new cards come out. Will the RX 480 be enough to run everything at 144hz, or will I be fine with a older GPU?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TkKrxY

#1294
8GB instead of 16GB RAM saves you 30$ (exactly half) you can always add more later should you need it.
850 Evo is faster.
Come on, I literally just posted this. No need for a 650W PSU in a 300W build. I went with a 450W 80+ Gold although you could obviously get an 80+ Bronze, which would be even cheaper. There is a 360W version of that PSU which would still be plenty but it's only 1$ cheaper and limits your upgrade options quite a bit should you choose to replace the GPU a few years down the line.
The VG248QE is ancient at this point. The XL2411Z is far better. I'm guessing that means you want Lightboost, not FreeSync, which would be the alternative.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($215.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($57.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.22 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($43.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($83.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ XL2411Z 24.0" 144Hz Monitor ($269.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $896.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-03 14:44 EDT-0400

Run everything at 144fps or 144Hz? Everything or just TF2 and Overwatch? Also the question seems to be worded a bit weirdly, if the RX 480 won't be enough, why should an older GPU be enough?

Pretty much any GPU will get you >144fps in TF2.
There's no benchmarks for the RX 480 so I can only give you an estimate for overwatch. Assuming 1080p 144fps are happening:
-on Epic definitely not.
-on Ultra maybe.
-on High definitely.

Didn't really want to start a new thread, but I'm looking into getting a 144hz monitor and a processor to let tf2 run comfortably at 144 fps accordingly.

My setup currently is:

CPU: Intel Core i5-2320 @ 3.3 Ghz
Motherboard: Intel DZ77GAL-70K
GPU: EVGA Nvidia GTX 950

I have 16 gigs of ram, not sure how much that matters. I'd rather not change my motherboard if I can avoid it to be honest. Anyone have any suggestions?

probably gonna have to upgrade your motherboard if you're gonna want a cpu upgrade as your motherboard supports sandy bridge and ivy bridge which are 5 year old intel platforms

#1296
How many fps are you getting right now?
Any kind of budget?

A new mobo wouldn't make that much of a diference actually, since you've got a Z77 so you can get a used -K i5 (2500K, 2550K, 3570K, whichever you can find), maybe a cooler, and then just overclock it.

I'd like to keep it under $700 including the monitor if I could. Right now, I get about 80-100 fps in TF2 on low graphics. To mention is the lack of a water cooler, since we're talking overclocking.

#1299
I'm assuming you're talking about an all-in-one. Don't get one of those. They are worse than air coolers.
I've posted something about that before.

My recommendation would be to get a 2500K or 2550K (3570K is usually more expensive and a bit harder to OC), that should be ~100$. One of the usual suspects (Noctua NH-D14, Phanteks PH-TC14PE, maybe something cheaper) as cooler (~70$) and then OC it to ~4.8GHz (or ~4.5GHz in case of the 3570K).
<200$ (+ monitor) and you should be good. Even if you keep your current settings.
With an fps config you could probably get 144fps without a new CPU.

Alright I just unscrewed my computer case and cleaned out the proccesor, cause it was so fucking dusty, but I think I just realized how shit my processor is since it's a singular core AMD sempron le-13000, not even a dual core. I also have a nvidia geforce 210, and a hp ivy8 motherboard only able to have amd am2 series cpu proccesors, which I aussume are just singular proccesors with 2gb of ram, so this computer isn't even meant for gaming and is extremely outdated coming from the year 2005. Luckily I found out of sheer luck I found a computer case in the dumpster, upon further research is a cooler master lite case, which came with a asus p5ql pro motherboard able to hold 16gb of ram, and a lga775 cpu socket, which holded a 2.5 ghz dual core proccesor, which is a huge step up from my 2.3 ghz amd sempron, so the only thing I really need is a graphics card, memory ssd for my graphics card, 8gb of ram, buying an lga775 quad core proccesor, and I think a 64 bit operating system for this I guess midrange pc gaming computer.

#1301
That is a nice story, although very hard to read.
Now why exactly did you post this?

I don'the know, I guess I wanted to share my immense luck . And me saving more than 100$. Also me sharing learning to understand computer parts better.

#1303
In that case for the learning experience:
I'm pretty sure the Sempron LE-1300 supports more than 2GB RAM.
Also that system was at least from 2008 (although indeed low end and never meant for gaming).

About the "new" mobo: If I'm not mistaken it only supports DDR2 RAM, so be aware of that when you buy RAM, DDR3 (and DDR4 obviously) won't work.

I'm a bit confused here as to what you meant with that.

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I haven't done much research regarding what an ssd card is, but I've watched a youtube budget gaming pc build, and how there is a card that is meant specifically for the graphics card and can range form 68gb to 500gb.

As for the desktop system, It's a prebuilt desktop system, which had window vista as the os, and the motherboard which is called the ivy8 can hold up to 4gb of ram, though it's supposed to have a geforce 6150 SE, but I have a geforce 210 instead.
http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-pavilion-a6600z-2-3ghz-1gb-ram-250gb-hdd/specs/

So I've been using this computer since 2013 of june, and my tf2 managed to run and rather smoothly once I used chris config, but now I can't even play competitive anymore, and it takes a very long time to enter a server or start up tf2 in the first place.

Regarding the lga775. Does more ghz frequency=more cpu power? So like a quad proccesor with 2.4 ghz compared to another quad proccesor with 3.0 ghz.

#1305
Yeah no, there's no such thing. Now I really want to see that video.

Do you know what an HDD / hard disk is? SSDs do the same, different technology, faster, more expensive, but still used for the same things. This is where you save things. The graphics card got absolutely nothing to do with it. Also SSDs range from 128MB to 16TB but that's a different story.

About CPU frequency: Even when limiting it to LGA775 there's still two slightly different architectures, Core (Allendale / Conroe / Kentsfield) on 65nm and Penryn (Wolfdale / Yorkfield) on 45nm. The difference is only 5-10%, so it only matters if the clockrates are really close. But generally yes, higher frequency = faster. In your example even 10% wouldn't make a difference, the 3.0GHz will be faster either way.
Here are the lists in case you want to check whether a CPU is Core or Penryn:
Core
Penryn

Could anyone help me build a problem with the max amount of God for tf2 with a budget of 300$?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6320 3.9GHz Dual-Core Processor ($159.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI H110M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($14.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($23.12 @ Amazon)
Case: Raidmax ATX-404WU ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $294.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-09 23:47 EDT-0400

this is probably as close to as good as you will get for $300 but you should probably wait for setsul to tear me a new one and crush this with a better build, my logic was the i3-6320 has the best single thread performance of any cpu under 200 dollars, and the rest is just trying to build a budget system under the constraints of the tiny budget, plus it is very upgradable as you could eventually replace the 6320 with a better skylake cpu or add a graphics card if you wanted to play other modern titles.

#1307
Oh it's you.
I see you are still struggling with the English language.

Sadly I do not know how to build a problem for TF2.
I also do not know what the maximum amount of God of a problem is or how you would go about maximizing the amount of God of a problem.

#1308
I'd try to reuse as much as possible or even get some used parts.
For a build with only new parts I'd probably sacrifice 5% performance and drop down to an i3-6100 to get a better mobo and an SSD. Maybe a microATX case, but that's it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B150M BAZOOKA Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($14.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Silicon Power Slim S55 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($56.08 @ Amazon)
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($21.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $296.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-10 06:48 EDT-0400

A better CPU won't do anything for most other games anyway, a GPU would, so tha's a nice upgrade path.

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Budget £1000, building mITX for TF2 and Overwatch. Gonna be moving to uni and transporting the PC in cars often. Gaming on 1080p 120hz strobe light, might occasionally stream but it's not a priority. Will do some light programming on this machine but no memory intensive tasks.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£194.99 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler (£52.98 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Asus Z170I PRO GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard (£123.68 @ More Computers)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (£28.78 @ More Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Define Nano S Mini ITX Desktop Case (£58.60 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£79.32 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £538.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-10 17:34 BST+0100

Notes:
1) I have storage and OS covered already so they don't have to be included in the price total
2) I will be upgrading, most likely to a GTX 1070, when it comes.

Questions:
1) Is the PSU the right wattage?
2) Heard smaller PSUs are recommended for the Nano S, do you know of any good ones shorter than 160mm in length?
3) Do you have any recommendations for cooling? I'd like to reach something like 4.5GHz but I'd rather avoid water cooling because I'll be moving the PC so much. Then there's the noise and the risk of leaks...
4) For the GPU, do you think I should stick to a blower style cooler because of the PSU layout inside the case, or am I better off going for whichever is the best price/performance model?

And of course if you have any suggestions for any of the parts I'm happy to get some feedback.

#1310
Seems fairly well thought out.
Do you already have the monitor?

When are you going to build it?

1./2. The exact wattage will depend on the GPU but 650W is definitely too much. Assume 200W for oc'd CPU, mobo, SSD, HDD and fans. So even with a really power hungry GPU you'd probably never need more than 500W. To not limit upgradeability too much I'd allow for at least a 200W GPU, so a 400-450W PSU. However there's pretty much no fully modular 400/450W 80+ Gold or higher PSUs. The semi-modular Seasonic G-450 would be an option.
For fully modular there are a few 550W options though:
The XFX XTR 550W (160mm) and the EVGA GS 550W (150mm). The EVGA is based on a similar platform, slightly cut down, so it performs slightly worse. They should be around the same price so you can choose what's more important to you, length or performance.
Last option, but more expensive would be the Cooler Master V550. It performs better than either and it's only 140mm.

3. The Noctua NH-D14 would be an option but the difference isn't that big and it would kill the black colourscheme.
And yes, all in one water coolers are terrible and overpriced and a custom loop is just way too much effort for what you're going to do (and even more expensive, plus potentially having to bleed the loop after every transport).
4. Wait for the aftermarket designs, the cheapest 1070s should be blower designs. Not the reference design, but custom ones. I don't know how they'll perform so check reviews first. I'm not too worried though since the 1070 shouldn't need a whole lot of power.

Btw you should get 2400MHz CL15 RAM, it's the same price.

#1311
Thanks for the response!
I have the Asus VG248QE and I'm pretty happy with it. Maybe a 1440p 144hz in a few years time :)

I'm going to be buying the GPU when stocks and prices settle down and I get the necessary funds, so probably in a month or so. The actual PC I'll probably build mid-late August, just before I move/go to DeutschLAN.

Took a glance at the CM V550 and it's looking promising. Very cool design, the notches on the top should actually look pretty good saince the case window only shows that top part of the PSU. It's a 10 pounds extra over the other options so not a big deal at all. Could you tell me why you think it outperforms the other options?

Thanks for your input on the cooler. I'll stick with the Dark Rock 3 for now, and who knows, maybe there'll be some new ones coming out before then.

Will get the higher frequency ram, cheers, nice catch :)

#1312
I see, prices might change until then so feel free to post again in the week before you build.

About the PSU the most drastic improvements would probably be the ripple supression (only about half the ripple) and efficiency (in most tests the V550 actually clears Platinum).

Awesome, thanks for clarifying.

Will post just before I buy :)

@setsul

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/184919281052418050/191031886275936257/580916ef-7f14-46a3-85f2-00f6145a44e8825351929.jpg

GPU doesnt fit in the x16 slot rip d15 too phat

#1315
Oops, I messed up.
You did get the Enthoo Pro M, can you confirm that? I can see it's a full ATX case though, so it doesn't really matter which one exactly
I'm not familiar with Australian laws but you should be able to return and replace the mobo / cooler with. another one, right?
If that's the case you have 3 options:
1. Leave it as is, it works, right?
2. Replace the NH-D15 with something that doesn't block the first slot (e.g. NH-D14, PH-TC14PE).
3. Replace the mobo with the ASRock Z170-Pro4 (or Pro4S, just not Z170M), Gigabyte Z170-D3H or Asus Z170-P. They all have the x16 slot as the second one and only an x1 slot that no one will use anyway above it. Get whichever is cheapest / available in the shop you got the Z170M-Pro4S from.

I'm not sure how I fucked this up, either I misrembered the PCIe slot configuration on the Z170M-Pro4(S) (unlikely) or I misclicked because they are directly next to each other in pcpartpicker when sorted by price (very likely, why else would I choose a full ATX case).

Yeah I did get the pro M.

I ended up just using my old D14 so that's working fine. all good :D Funny thing was, though, on the day my PSU fucking fried, so I had to rush to the PC store and buy a new PSU. Also ended up getting a Gigabyte G1 gaming instead of having to go founders so that's cool.

I prob could return the D15 but it's effort because the place is in a diff state and i'd spend money shipping back anyway so meh.

Thanks for the help. Dat 120+ FPS constant on doom on ultra Kreygasm

EDIT: to chuck a q into here, I've done the strobing 'fix' for my xl2411z including the custom res, however when I reboot I get the message that I am using the wrong DVI cable. I have to change to a non custom res, then back to make it work. Any ideas?

EDIT2: magically fixed. nevermind.

Hi, great to see there’s a thread with someone really knowledgeable.
My budget is (max) €1800 for a first-time build, no reused parts, to upgrade from a Mac that can’t even reach 60fps on some midfights with 720p and toaster settings. I’d like to buy it this week, because I’m really getting tired of this.
I look forward to playing all kinds of games, but mostly TF2. Recording/streaming/video editing: yes. Transport to lan party: yes. VR: uh maybe.
I currently have a 1440p 60Hz display, but look forward to upgrading it in a couple of months.
Note: I’m buying in the Netherlands, but PCPartPicker does not support it yet.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($314.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($58.02 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus Z170I PRO GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($154.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define Nano S Mini ITX Desktop Case ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1611.34 OR €1710,60 right here
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-13 12:22 EDT-0400

#1318
Not exactly sure how you converted the price.
German or French pcpartpicker would get you at least semi-accurate prices.

Don't get the Founders Edition, it's just a money grab.
The 1080 also carries a significant premium right now, so unless you actually need that much performance don't get it.

Are you going to overclock?

@Setsul randomly getting a screen flicker on desktop and in games. RMA GPU? I've tried diff DVI cables and re-seating the gpu.

#1320
Tried the monitor with a different pc? The first guess is always windows.