if they did we wouldnt have anywhere to see it

Unless it's on reddit, which I haven't been on as my fedora is at the dry cleaners

Please esea I have a double header tomorrow.

Now imagine if she had the client always on.

http://i.imgur.com/vbJKsFr.png

i get that we have to play nice around lpkane since he threw us a bone, but come on.

Fuck does this sound like anything somebody not planning to hack your pc would say?

146: I'm not saying it's not gonna happen, it's pretty much gonna happen.

147: Yeah, I'll lose customers but I'll have your shit by then.

148: Yeah I'm definitely stealing yo stuffs.

Wins the thread :D

I wonder if this violates any consumer protection laws in the US or EU.

I already found few things which do not comply with EU's Data Protection Directive, but it doesn't help that their website is shut down.

I don't think rude answers on a forum violate anything, only the internal reality of the organisation matters.

It was there on start up, but I closed it... and it seems to be no longer on lol. So did they just make it a start up application that you can close (it's no longer in my task manager... so maybe it's hiding itself now or is indeed closed).

I tried to get on esea, and the schedule page actually loaded for me albeit really slowly

I clicked an individual match to see if stats r working

this is what I got:
http://i.imgur.com/sTpQSm4.png

goddamn it esea

They didn't say anything on their twitter, but when I tired going on I saw this

http://i.imgur.com/uXPfhgb.png

I've been able to actually see some esea pages but most of them just time out, so I think it's safe to assume it's a ddos

This has been lpkane's demeanor before TF2 even came out. I think he's grown to react this way after dealing with shitty counterstrike players for over a decade. Despite that, he is actually a ridiculously nice guy in person. I'm not saying he's an internet tough guy, but again, it's just how his demeanor has grown on those forums. Like it or not, it's how he is and this is ultimately a decision he feels like is best for a $1 million dollar league.

To be clear, I'm not necessarily thrilled that an ESEA process will be running in my background, but I'm not really shattered about it.

Also, I see a lot of people saying "omgomg fuck ESEA, let's leave and go to something or make something of our own!," but the community has not proved we are capable of that at all. We tried that with a season of CEVO while still also having ESEA. Despite all the massive backlash ESEA got, ESEA still had more signups and having two primary leagues split part of the community (which is what we don't want at all). No one took CEVO seriously, and Lange (CEVO admin at the time) said it was a massive nightmare from start to finish.

I became the CEVO admin the following season, and despite how much I tried to advertise it to the community, no one gave a shit. Everyone wanted ESEA. I tried bumping the threads on TFTV, but literally no one would post and it would fall off the recent topic list within 30-60 minutes. I posted on Twitter, mass-messaged everyone on my friends list, told b4nny and ma3la (who are unquestionably the top 2 competitive TF2 streamers, at least at the time) to advertise it on their streams, and we got little to nothing. I think we had less than 16 teams sign up in total, and about 15 players were paid.

Whether we like it or not, ESEA is here to stay. The foundation for competitive TF2, regardless if you include money, is laid out and totally there for us to stay afloat. As long as ESEA keeps TF2, that will be the primary league of choice.

If something seems to be unquestionably better in just about every way, then I'm sure everyone will entertain the idea.

Indulge me, what does that look like?

Okay I'm sorry but during that time I browsed tftv everyday, watched streams fairly often, mostly ma3la but b4nny some too. And yet it came as a surprise to me to hear that CEVO's season was started. Let's be real here. CEVO can't expect to have the attention ESEA does for it's season starting. Knowing this, CEVO made the mistake of 1. Not advertising well enough (more often than not I hear that people didn't sign up because they didn't know it was happening) 2. You've gotta align with ESEA scheduling. Like it or not that's the only way to gain traction. Everyone considers the time where we're not playing ESEA as "off-season" and they aren't seeking out information on signups for really any league. The CEVO season started 2-3 weeks before ESEA if I remember correctly.

I like this new business model of client always on, website always off.

My scouts are whining about not being able to look at stats of our recent match :T

I typed out a bunch of stuff, but it was really just me shitting on CEVO and saying "well, ESEA does this fine for the most part, but it could improve."

If I had to directly compare it to ESEA? Hm, I'll name a few things really quick.

Take what ESEA has, and then have better servers, either no client or a client that actually works / catches cheaters / doesn't run as a process in the background, more TF2 content on the website itself or at least direct itself to TFTV for the content, having the maps played in the season actually consistent (ie: I think my team has to play Metalworks once this season and Process four times? Why?), more diverse stats like sizzlingstats, and a few other reasons I probably can think of later but can't think of now.

I had the new CEVO season become a front page article with a banner, while constantly making and bumping threads regarding the new season and maps. While I did tell b4nny and ma3la (and maybe other streamers) to advertise it, it's not their job to. How much they wish to mention the new season is up to them, so if they only mentioned it once or twice, that's still cool for the ~200-300 people that were tuned in, but I'm not going to badger them to mention it every five minutes if someone missed it.

I also asked enigma for assistance in further promoting the new CEVO season on TFTV, but he told me he didn't want to campaign something he didn't really want to support, as he also had an awful time in the previous CEVO season. But again, he was totally fine with having the front page article with a banner go up.

Truthfully, I hear some people tell me what you just told me about not really hearing about the new season. CEVO themselves said they could have done a bit of a better job advertising it, but at the end of the day, I think a good majority of the community genuinely did not really give a shit about the next season of CEVO. Some people didn't feel like having 3-4 matches a week (if they participated in both CEVO and ESEA), didn't like their servers, didn't like paladin, really hated navigating their website, liked ESEA better in every way, and/or weren't so hung up over despising them for the bitcoin event.

I tried to campaign it hard, I really did. I would say the only thing I could have done more is constantly bump the new season thread the moment it left recent discussion, and that would have looked really fucking annoying, because I would have bumped it 3-5 times a day for a good 4-5 weeks. That's not an exaggeration, either.

I'm not stopping anyone if they want to try to campaign for a new league. But do I think it'll fall flat on its face while ESEA still supports TF2? Yeah, I do. But do I hope that something better than ESEA will eventually come? Yeah, I do.

You guys can agree or disagree with me however much you want. I'm all for keeping this game alive. If you want to try to be a CEVO admin, please do. If you want to try to start your own league, please do. I don't say that in jest, either. I want absolutely nothing but the best for this community, which is why I poured a fucking ridiculous amount of hours and money into GXL.

edit: NO GXL NEWS YET PLS DON'T BOMBARD ME. ;_;

Like it or not it didn't work. If you expect this community to be responsible for something like signing up for a secondary league weeks earlier than ESEA, which they don't sign up for until the night before you've got some serious problems.

CloudFlare won't save them because client is not proxied and reveals their real IP and you can fiddle with it ;)

The difference is that md5 cannot be reversed.
If Valve md5s your porn they simply have no way of unhashing it.

Why are people still talking about CEVO. Its not an option.

Seriously people you already screwed the pooch when it came to CEVO. You had the chance and let it die. This is your poisoned well now, drink from it.

i have hacked into the tftv mainframe and i have all of your ips

this is blowing up over csgo reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/36o0c9/boycott_esea/

It doesn't really sound like there's a huge amount of room to improve on ESEA, most of these things seem indicative of a lack of love over the years (like the stats slowly becoming a little antiquated), the stance on no client would be the controversial part. Would people pay to play knowing Vac or a volunter AC team were the only defence?

Also servers, are we talking about TF2 being held back on old hardware or is it locations, routing, or what? Or is it just the usual server situation - nobody is ever completely happy? The website could be modernised massively but that's really secondary to things just working.

CS can boycott the company if they want, they have other options. We do not.
A free league (a la UGC) has never given NA the same results for competition as ESEA. As mentioned before, CEVO is likely to not pick us up. While this client issue has evidently driven some people mad, Rick had the most sane post of any person in this thread.
If you're seriously concerned about backdoors and the like, unplug your router, turn off your computer and throw it out the window. There are plenty of ways into your PC that are also always running. We do not have a second league that we can rely on for high level competition, and ESEA has some serious legal bindings from their previous fiasco (none of tf2 was affected by it btw, absolutely none of us were.)

I believe the scheduling issue is because ESEA schedules Invite over 9 weeks (where the week 1 map is repeated in week 9) even though there are 8 teams and 16 matches per team, so to make up for it some weeks a team only has one match to play that week. It's weird but that's how they do it.

Given how prevalent cheating is becoming in TF2 recently, I doubt people would be satisfied enough with VAC or volunteer AC, though whether they'd still pay for it would be debatable. Even with everyone paying league fees, though, you're still talking about a massive reduction in prizepots without new sponsors somehow getting involved.

For servers, I believe the issue is much less prevalent than it was a few seasons ago where there would always be stutters every 5 minutes. Honestly, I believe the main issue now is just locations, as there's no one location that satisfies everyone in North America.

The point is esea is transferring the binaries to reverse engineer, not your porn. It is common do to this in antivirus as well.

I think you're getting your numbers mixed up. There are nine teams in Invite and the season is eight weeks.

edit: whoops, there are nine weeks (and still nine teams), but I don't know why that's necessary. Pretty sure the seasons were eight weeks a while ago. Everything would make sense with eight weeks, as all teams would play each map twice and play each other twice. Oh well, pretty off-topic but whatever, haha.