your whole argument is

athough ow and tf2 are quite similar, that still doesn't mean they're the same game, just because it works in ow that doesn't mean it'll work in 6s

we need more 7cp maps, 5cp is too stalematey and we need to speed up the game

Sideshow is probably the single biggest advocate of bringing back A/D in the form of gravelpit.

I asked to be unbanned. Is there a particular issue with my presence to you fluf?

m4ng0l....

http://memestorage.com/_nw/24/80658426.jpg

What a toxic community

i've seen worse

tf2 is different game then overwatch, the same format (6v6) doesnt make them the same game

You act as if Overwatch's PL mode is completely superior and use only OW for tiny counter arguments lol. Also for argument 3, you act as if we never tried before. Long ago in TF2 people have trialed multiple different things and over the years we come to conclusions and answers on each aspect. As for it will attract more "pub players", I wouldn't necessarily deem that as a good way of gaining more into competitive. If you truly want to play competitive TF2, then you will do it, and shouldn't do it just because of a game mode.
Pretty much what everyone else has been saying, Overwatch =/= TF2.

mafia_is_mafia walks into a movie theater and starts screaming at the top of his lungs in the middle of the movie like a retard.
He gets escorted out by security and told to never come back.
"What a toxic community"

First off your lenny face ruins any possibility of someone taking your arguments seriously

Second, OW is a bigger esport than tf2 because blizzard backs OW much more than tf2. Why does LoL have insane prize pots and such? The primary answer is dev support and backing. The most support we've gotten over the past year from valve regarding direct support to the competitive scene was the tf2 wide notification that the esea grand finals were happening. Some might put valve members committing to work with top players with MM and the MM beta over it, but we're definitely not having pro matches casted on national television like CSGO or 6 to 7 digit prize pots for majors like dota.

Third, even if you were to design smaller maps for payload, you wouldn't really be able to balance it between tiny chokes where one defense class would trump basically all of the other classes. Basically the equivalent of a full turtle defense in 6s would be the standard for defense, and offense wouldnt be much more interesting. Like just look at the pros vs YouTubers match on badwater. Although it was really just a big field day for froyo, 6v6 payload should remain an OW exclusive thing. And despite the lolhl memes that exist, pl fits nicely for the 9v9 format that we already have. And at the class composition you'd be looking into with 6v6, there's no good reason to not put 3 more players on each team and just go on with how things have been running for a long time now.

Lastly, more map types would more likely confuse newer competitive players rather than make it easier for them. How is some poor kid who can't even navigate cp steel supposed to comprehend the fact that there's a time limit and a number of points that need to be capped you do pl, much less know what classes are good and bad when hes never tried anything other than spy or sniper. Also, making a temporary influx of lower level players into the competitive scene doesn't ensure its growth by a long shot. What's the point of raising a building and replacing the ground floor with an unstable structure?

Don't try to speculate pipe dreams when the reality of the matter is right in front of your face.

Case closed.

Alright shut up I'm about to overpower the stench of this shitpost. First off fuck off with this shit about how we need TF2 = OW. We don't need to copy OW, we don't need a bunch of turds complaining about females and/or buttcheeks or more than one sentry class/sniper. We don't need payloads. I get that the TF2 devs want us to use unlocks, all classes, no-class limits, and more game modes, but we don't need to copy OW for that. We do need to copy a successful formula to bring TF2 back from its shallow goddamn grave, and it's not OW, it's not Battlebirth, it's not Dirty Bomb or Super Monday Night Combat (also RIP in its shallow goddamn bitcoin grave).

We don't need to copy those games - we need to copy this game:

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/252950/header.jpg?t=1464386066

When this shit came out everybody was playing it on console and on PC, similar to the reaction OW is getting right now. Players wouldn't show up on time for their ETF2L/ESEA matches because they were in a RL match. That's tardiness. As we all know:

This game was killing TF2 before OW was killing TF2 for the same god damn reasons, but better. It's closer to TF2 than OW is for a multitude of reasons, including but not limited to:

1. Its eSports scene is smaller than the big boys' scenes like CS:GO or DOTA 2.
   
2. It actually follows team colours rather than team-coloured outlines.
   
3. It has hats.

This game is literally automobiles - with hats - playing football/soccer, and this motherfucking game has/had a league in both MLG and ESL a month or two after it came out. After extensive research I've pulled out of my anus, official competitive TF2 illuminati scientists have concluded what makes this game so successful: it's already using a tried and tested real sport (football/soccer) to break through into the eSports world.

That is exactly what TF2 needs to do at this point: it needs to copy a real sport. No, not more Mario Kart Bumper Car mods, NASCAR isn't as accessible as something like football/soccer. And what is the closest thing TF2 has to RL or football/soccer?

Pass Time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HAu6kFaKRE

If the TF2 devs want us to put more than 15 people in the MM queues before they declare MM a good use of their money/time, they should add Pass Time to the 6v6 MM rotation. We can use unlocks, all classes, no-class limits, and put more development into good Pass Time maps, because the first map that comes with a new TF2 game mode is always garbage and kills that game mode immediately. To add onto the immediate 100% guaranteed community approval it will have, it appeals to the greatest of TF2 players who like the situation-based classes that aren't Scout, Soldier, Medic, and Demoman - especially Engineers. Engineers will fucking love Pass Time.

The casuals will love this shit - but like MM because unlocks/no class limits does not work for anything TF2 outside of a 12v12 pub, they'll only love it for a total of 2 minutes, 3 if you're lucky. Here's the thing: 2 minutes is all you need to get down on your knees and beg/suck corporate dick in order for them to sponsor TF2 again with the pitch that it's basically RL but it's also an FPS. It's an FPS Sport eSport. It'll remind the older generation about the nostalgia that was Grifball and Red vs. Blue when it was still funny, and that + how good your fellatio is will immediately sign them onto re-sponsoring TF2 as an eSport. My opinion is 6v6 needs Pass Time.

Flush the toilet on your way out M4ngo, you know where the plunger is by now.

holy shit my reputation down the fucking drain lmfao

I actually forgot that pass time existed entirety
Also holy shit uberchain that argument

next thing you know, someone starts suggesting that we have ultimates in tf2...

I talked about this outside of tftv but A/D could work

The main problem I've heard about A/D from a lot of players is that for red, once a point is taken there's generally little reason to defend it again/retake the area like you might do in CS. Out of any team fps game, CS has the easiest to understand and one of the most well balanced objectives, having an asymmetrical gamemode can eliminate most stalemating as rounds can only last a certain length in which the attacking team has to complete the objective.

I think the best version of an A/D gamemode would be something like mountainlab (although obviously not actually that map lmao) where you have a linear A/D map, but with the change that red can recap the points.

To make this work you'd have to make it so that point captures didn't add cap time (at least not for red recaptures) and make it so the 2nd point caps quicker than the 1st and the 3rd caps quicker than the 2nd like on a 5cp map, giving the attacking team a chance to backcap the defending team, but making it significantly harder for the defending team to backcap the attacking team.

This would basically be like 5cp cut in half and made into A/D, it might eliminate stalemate issues as the attacking team are always under pressure to cap last, but the defending team always have an incentive to push out on an advantage to retake an if they get enough picks on last. The issue with this type of map is that it eliminates midfights compared to 5cp (which are a pretty interesting part of the game) and it's always going to be significantly harder to balance an asymmetrical map compared to a symmetrical one.

Lain's A/D koth gamemode also sounds pretty interesting and I'd like to try it out.

Didn't the community (or at least the NA half) vote to ditch all stop-watch game-modes half a decade ago?

Edit: My bad, 2 years ago.

what a suprise

TF2 is not gonna switch modes. Best you could hope for is one extra koth in there alongside product.

Highpass plz

No fuck you Sideshow Dreamhack Summer is now a Mannpower tournament, we're going to save TF2.

Overwatch is a bigger esport because of $$$. It would be bigger if the game mode were Desert Bus

Can we just bring back wacky races I think it will solve all our problems

I want flashbangs

bball?

Speaking of which will Gpit return in the map pool for DH?

M4ngol just got fucking rekt so hard lmaoo
(btw thx for ruining asia rep :c fucking dumbass)

Sandman.

Payload is like the least desirable gamemode you would implement in 6s, even SD is better than payload for 6s.

I honestly think we could get a much better variation of gamemodes and the ones with more potential seem to be A/D (I always liked gravelpit) and CTF (I think this gamemode has huge potential, just that no map has captured that potential in a way it's interesting in 6s).

And also if want to copy overwatch to be a successfull esport your number one reason would be to get valve to dump bags of money on it like they're doing with overwatch, that'll work.

I would love the fuck out of an SD map built for 6's