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I'd rather get my money back if the goal isn't met than have it go to charity. I already donate to a charity of my choice annually.
I'd rather get my money back if the goal isn't met than have it go to charity. I already donate to a charity of my choice annually.
ManaDunderBroHe has people to count on to run this kind of stuff; it's really matter of if something this high of a "risk" would succeed and be worth the "cost".TrellI'd like to see enigma/TF.tv handle the donation drive this time around, via indiegogo or a similar service, much like Beyond The Summit did for their LA Studio.Enigma, because we want one guy to do all the work.
I did consider suggesting Vanilla help with setting up a donation drive, but this really doesn't make any sense considering it'll be going towards a NA team coming over and enigma/TF.tv have the much closer contacts and knowledge of costs involved and what benefits donation tiers can have.
Echoing Arx's statement, it needs to be discussed, and if agreed, started earlier this time around.
But if Australia is going...
Wheres the risk?
Beyond The Summit said they went with Indiegogo for the pure reason that they charge less of a fee than Kickstarter, and only if you meet your goal.
Theres zero risk at all, either you make the total or you don't.
[quote=Mana][quote=DunderBro][quote=Trell]I'd like to see enigma/TF.tv handle the donation drive this time around, via indiegogo or a similar service, much like Beyond The Summit did for their LA Studio.
I did consider suggesting Vanilla help with setting up a donation drive, but this really doesn't make any sense considering it'll be going towards a NA team coming over and enigma/TF.tv have the much closer contacts and knowledge of costs involved and what benefits donation tiers can have.
Echoing Arx's statement, it needs to be discussed, and if agreed, started earlier this time around.[/quote]
Enigma, because we want one guy to do all the work.[/quote]
He has people to count on to run this kind of stuff; it's really matter of if something this high of a "risk" would succeed and be worth the "cost".
But if Australia is going...[/quote]
Wheres the risk?
Beyond The Summit said they went with Indiegogo for the pure reason that they charge less of a fee than Kickstarter, and only if you meet your goal.
Theres zero risk at all, either you make the total or you don't.
I did consider suggesting Vanilla help with setting up a donation drive, but this really doesn't make any sense considering it'll be going towards a NA team coming over and enigma/TF.tv have the much closer contacts and knowledge of costs involved and what benefits donation tiers can have.
Echoing Arx's statement, it needs to be discussed, and if agreed, started earlier this time around.[/quote]
Enigma, because we want one guy to do all the work.[/quote]
He has people to count on to run this kind of stuff; it's really matter of if something this high of a "risk" would succeed and be worth the "cost".
But if Australia is going...[/quote]
Wheres the risk?
Beyond The Summit said they went with Indiegogo for the pure reason that they charge less of a fee than Kickstarter, and only if you meet your goal.
Theres zero risk at all, either you make the total or you don't.
well I'm glad I was able to point out the elephant in the room
also get Star to come to commentate the highlander final
well I'm glad I was able to point out the elephant in the room
also get Star to come to commentate the highlander final
also get Star to come to commentate the highlander final
I do believe we have some hype. Considering how early this is it'll probably be even bigger than last year. Looking forward to meet some Americans at i49 I guess!
I do believe we have some hype. Considering how early this is it'll probably be even bigger than last year. Looking forward to meet some Americans at i49 I guess!
TrellManaDunderBroHe has people to count on to run this kind of stuff; it's really matter of if something this high of a "risk" would succeed and be worth the "cost".TrellI'd like to see enigma/TF.tv handle the donation drive this time around, via indiegogo or a similar service, much like Beyond The Summit did for their LA Studio.Enigma, because we want one guy to do all the work.
I did consider suggesting Vanilla help with setting up a donation drive, but this really doesn't make any sense considering it'll be going towards a NA team coming over and enigma/TF.tv have the much closer contacts and knowledge of costs involved and what benefits donation tiers can have.
Echoing Arx's statement, it needs to be discussed, and if agreed, started earlier this time around.
But if Australia is going...
Wheres the risk?
Beyond The Summit said they went with Indiegogo for the pure reason that they charge less of a fee than Kickstarter, and only if you meet your goal.
Theres zero risk at all, either you make the total or you don't.
The risk I'm talking about is investment of time. TF.TV staff could be devoting it to whatever else projects we have going on (which we do). However, I personally would not object to an i49 fundraiser; I'd probably run it myself, even. I love that kind of stuff. To spark more ideas, I see two ways about doing this (if it happens). 1) Teams do it themselves. 2 and more likely) we setup one community fundraiser to send up to two teams. Hmm, I could certainly go into more detail but I'm eating a delicious Sonora style hotdog at the moment. Also I'm waiting to hear back from enigma because I would love to do this kind of thing too.
[quote=Trell][quote=Mana][quote=DunderBro][quote=Trell]I'd like to see enigma/TF.tv handle the donation drive this time around, via indiegogo or a similar service, much like Beyond The Summit did for their LA Studio.
I did consider suggesting Vanilla help with setting up a donation drive, but this really doesn't make any sense considering it'll be going towards a NA team coming over and enigma/TF.tv have the much closer contacts and knowledge of costs involved and what benefits donation tiers can have.
Echoing Arx's statement, it needs to be discussed, and if agreed, started earlier this time around.[/quote]
Enigma, because we want one guy to do all the work.[/quote]
He has people to count on to run this kind of stuff; it's really matter of if something this high of a "risk" would succeed and be worth the "cost".
But if Australia is going...[/quote]
Wheres the risk?
Beyond The Summit said they went with Indiegogo for the pure reason that they charge less of a fee than Kickstarter, and only if you meet your goal.
Theres zero risk at all, either you make the total or you don't.[/quote]
The risk I'm talking about is investment of time. TF.TV staff could be devoting it to whatever else projects we have going on (which we do). However, I personally would not object to an i49 fundraiser; I'd probably run it myself, even. I love that kind of stuff. To spark more ideas, I see two ways about doing this (if it happens). 1) Teams do it themselves. 2 and more likely) we setup one community fundraiser to send up to two teams. Hmm, I could certainly go into more detail but I'm eating a delicious Sonora style hotdog at the moment. Also I'm waiting to hear back from enigma because I would love to do this kind of thing too.
I did consider suggesting Vanilla help with setting up a donation drive, but this really doesn't make any sense considering it'll be going towards a NA team coming over and enigma/TF.tv have the much closer contacts and knowledge of costs involved and what benefits donation tiers can have.
Echoing Arx's statement, it needs to be discussed, and if agreed, started earlier this time around.[/quote]
Enigma, because we want one guy to do all the work.[/quote]
He has people to count on to run this kind of stuff; it's really matter of if something this high of a "risk" would succeed and be worth the "cost".
But if Australia is going...[/quote]
Wheres the risk?
Beyond The Summit said they went with Indiegogo for the pure reason that they charge less of a fee than Kickstarter, and only if you meet your goal.
Theres zero risk at all, either you make the total or you don't.[/quote]
The risk I'm talking about is investment of time. TF.TV staff could be devoting it to whatever else projects we have going on (which we do). However, I personally would not object to an i49 fundraiser; I'd probably run it myself, even. I love that kind of stuff. To spark more ideas, I see two ways about doing this (if it happens). 1) Teams do it themselves. 2 and more likely) we setup one community fundraiser to send up to two teams. Hmm, I could certainly go into more detail but I'm eating a delicious Sonora style hotdog at the moment. Also I'm waiting to hear back from enigma because I would love to do this kind of thing too.
Okay, to elaborate, I could see a fundraiser going two ways:
1) Team specific. The advantage of this is that it can be more personalized for the team. Teams manage their own fundraisers (and can enlist help from the community, of course). The goals can be set by the teams themselves. The disadvantage is that if the team disbands, there's not necessarily a clear condition for what is to be done with the money. Also, it doesn't necessarily cover the parts of the community that just want to send a team, rather than their "favorite" team.
2) Community specific. One fundraiser, send up to two teams depending on how much money is collected. The advantage is one united fund, certainly something the community needs. The disadvantage is that it doesn't let people really ramp it up for their favorite teams, as seen in (1).
There are ways to mitigate the disadvantages in both; personally I'm favoring (1), as is enigma.
Okay, to elaborate, I could see a fundraiser going two ways:
1) Team specific. The advantage of this is that it can be more personalized for the team. Teams manage their own fundraisers (and can enlist help from the community, of course). The goals can be set by the teams themselves. The disadvantage is that if the team disbands, there's not necessarily a clear condition for what is to be done with the money. Also, it doesn't necessarily cover the parts of the community that just want to send a team, rather than their "favorite" team.
2) Community specific. One fundraiser, send up to two teams depending on how much money is collected. The advantage is one united fund, certainly something the community needs. The disadvantage is that it doesn't let people really ramp it up for their favorite teams, as seen in (1).
There are ways to mitigate the disadvantages in both; personally I'm favoring (1), as is enigma.
1) Team specific. The advantage of this is that it can be more personalized for the team. Teams manage their own fundraisers (and can enlist help from the community, of course). The goals can be set by the teams themselves. The disadvantage is that if the team disbands, there's not necessarily a clear condition for what is to be done with the money. Also, it doesn't necessarily cover the parts of the community that just want to send a team, rather than their "favorite" team.
2) Community specific. One fundraiser, send up to two teams depending on how much money is collected. The advantage is one united fund, certainly something the community needs. The disadvantage is that it doesn't let people really ramp it up for their favorite teams, as seen in (1).
There are ways to mitigate the disadvantages in both; personally I'm favoring (1), as is enigma.
Who would manage the funds for the team specific option? What if the combined amount across all the teams is enough to send one or two teams, but no one team has enough by itself? If fund were to transfer from one team to another in order to allow at least one team to go, then the people who donated could have their money go to teams they didn't choose. I can imagine there are some people who would rather not donate at all then to have their money go to a team they really don't like.
I think the community specific option would work better for maximizing the efficiency of the money. Suppose instead of having 18k unevenly spread out among 4 or so teams which results in only one team having enough on their own, we could use that 18k to send 2 teams decided either by esea results or maybe a community vote.
Who would manage the funds for the team specific option? What if the combined amount across all the teams is enough to send one or two teams, but no one team has enough by itself? If fund were to transfer from one team to another in order to allow at least one team to go, then the people who donated could have their money go to teams they didn't choose. I can imagine there are some people who would rather not donate at all then to have their money go to a team they really don't like.
I think the community specific option would work better for maximizing the efficiency of the money. Suppose instead of having 18k unevenly spread out among 4 or so teams which results in only one team having enough on their own, we could use that 18k to send 2 teams decided either by esea results or maybe a community vote.
I think the community specific option would work better for maximizing the efficiency of the money. Suppose instead of having 18k unevenly spread out among 4 or so teams which results in only one team having enough on their own, we could use that 18k to send 2 teams decided either by esea results or maybe a community vote.
narfWho would manage the funds for the team specific option? What if the combined amount across all the teams is enough to send one or two teams, but no one team has enough by itself? If fund were to transfer from one team to another in order to allow at least one team to go, then the people who donated could have their money go to teams they didn't choose. I can imagine there are some people who would rather not donate at all then to have their money go to a team they really don't like.
Then the teams will have to compromise as to who gets sent, if 2 teams each raise enough to send 3 players each then they could probably put their heads together and send who they think will work best together.
In other words, an All-Star team.
[quote=narf]Who would manage the funds for the team specific option? What if the combined amount across all the teams is enough to send one or two teams, but no one team has enough by itself? If fund were to transfer from one team to another in order to allow at least one team to go, then the people who donated could have their money go to teams they didn't choose. I can imagine there are some people who would rather not donate at all then to have their money go to a team they really don't like.[/quote]
Then the teams will have to compromise as to who gets sent, if 2 teams each raise enough to send 3 players each then they could probably put their heads together and send who they think will work best together.
In other words, an All-Star team.
Then the teams will have to compromise as to who gets sent, if 2 teams each raise enough to send 3 players each then they could probably put their heads together and send who they think will work best together.
In other words, an All-Star team.
I'd rather not see an all-star team specifically made for i49. Personal preference here, but it'd be nice to see teams stick together for multiple seasons.
I'd rather not see an all-star team specifically made for i49. Personal preference here, but it'd be nice to see teams stick together for multiple seasons.
Just take the winner of ESEA LAN, host a fundraiser, have several NA v EU showmatches and whatever you can think of to raise the money, and send the team. The community has experience with a major fundraisers obviously, and to send one team we only have to raise half the money.
Just take the winner of ESEA LAN, host a fundraiser, have several NA v EU showmatches and whatever you can think of to raise the money, and send the team. The community has experience with a major fundraisers obviously, and to send one team we only have to raise half the money.
narfWho would manage the funds for the team specific option? What if the combined amount across all the teams is enough to send one or two teams, but no one team has enough by itself? If fund were to transfer from one team to another in order to allow at least one team to go, then the people who donated could have their money go to teams they didn't choose. I can imagine there are some people who would rather not donate at all then to have their money go to a team they really don't like.
I think the community specific option would work better for maximizing the efficiency of the money. Suppose instead of having 18k unevenly spread out among 4 or so teams which results in only one team having enough on their own, we could use that 18k to send 2 teams decided either by esea results or maybe a community vote.
The team itself would manage it. And if there extra funds, it's up to the team, really. They might feel generous to donate it to the other team going, but I don't think they would have an obligation to do so. It sounds like you personally want to see two teams go, but the teams themselves are going to want just themselves to go as first priority.
Unfortunately, I don't think an official TF.TV fundraiser is going to happen.
[quote=narf]Who would manage the funds for the team specific option? What if the combined amount across all the teams is enough to send one or two teams, but no one team has enough by itself? If fund were to transfer from one team to another in order to allow at least one team to go, then the people who donated could have their money go to teams they didn't choose. I can imagine there are some people who would rather not donate at all then to have their money go to a team they really don't like.
I think the community specific option would work better for maximizing the efficiency of the money. Suppose instead of having 18k unevenly spread out among 4 or so teams which results in only one team having enough on their own, we could use that 18k to send 2 teams decided either by esea results or maybe a community vote.[/quote]
The team itself would manage it. And if there extra funds, it's up to the team, really. They might feel generous to donate it to the other team going, but I don't think they would have an obligation to do so. It sounds like you personally want to see two teams go, but the teams themselves are going to want just themselves to go as first priority.
Unfortunately, I don't think an official TF.TV fundraiser is going to happen.
I think the community specific option would work better for maximizing the efficiency of the money. Suppose instead of having 18k unevenly spread out among 4 or so teams which results in only one team having enough on their own, we could use that 18k to send 2 teams decided either by esea results or maybe a community vote.[/quote]
The team itself would manage it. And if there extra funds, it's up to the team, really. They might feel generous to donate it to the other team going, but I don't think they would have an obligation to do so. It sounds like you personally want to see two teams go, but the teams themselves are going to want just themselves to go as first priority.
Unfortunately, I don't think an official TF.TV fundraiser is going to happen.
What would the community gain for doing another one? With i46 we saw that the NA teams are better than the euro teams, especially when the euro teams aren't trying. I think the money raised by the community would be better put towards getting some NA venue to put TF2 into their event, using the money raised as a prize pot.
Seriously, what huge exposure did the game get? The single greatest thing to get exposure for this game has been John putting it on front page. Not some over glorified esea lan where eventually its just the top two NA teams playing each other with a slightly different rule set in a different continent.
What would the community gain for doing another one? With i46 we saw that the NA teams are better than the euro teams, especially when the euro teams aren't trying. I think the money raised by the community would be better put towards getting some NA venue to put TF2 into their event, using the money raised as a prize pot.
Seriously, what huge exposure did the game get? The single greatest thing to get exposure for this game has been John putting it on front page. Not some over glorified esea lan where eventually its just the top two NA teams playing each other with a slightly different rule set in a different continent.
Seriously, what huge exposure did the game get? The single greatest thing to get exposure for this game has been John putting it on front page. Not some over glorified esea lan where eventually its just the top two NA teams playing each other with a slightly different rule set in a different continent.
defianceI think the money raised by the community would be better put towards getting some NA venue to put TF2 into their event, using the money raised as a prize pot.
that option doesn't really exist (especially with the recent death of the IPL series)
[quote=defiance]I think the money raised by the community would be better put towards getting some NA venue to put TF2 into their event, using the money raised as a prize pot.[/quote]
that option doesn't really exist (especially with the recent death of the IPL series)
that option doesn't really exist (especially with the recent death of the IPL series)
If you want to put your money into something, invest in Dreamhack, but even that would be a bad idea as the funds needed for an event there are massive.
I think someone crunched down the numbers and it would take about 25k or more to get TF2 as an event there.
If you want to put your money into something, invest in Dreamhack, but even that would be a bad idea as the funds needed for an event there are massive.
I think someone crunched down the numbers and it would take about 25k or more to get TF2 as an event there.
I think someone crunched down the numbers and it would take about 25k or more to get TF2 as an event there.
alfaIf you want to put your money into something, invest in Dreamhack
I think someone crunched down the numbers and it would take about 25k or more to get TF2 as an event there.
But if we invest in getting TF2 into Dreamhack, then we'd still have to raise the money to send an American team there (since it's in Sweden I believe.)
Edit: I mean, do we believe that we can raise ~$35,000 as a community to not only fund TF2 in Dreamhack (~$25,000), but also fly an NA team to it (~$10,000)? It'd take a massive community get-together.
[quote=alfa]If you want to put your money into something, invest in Dreamhack
I think someone crunched down the numbers and it would take about 25k or more to get TF2 as an event there.[/quote]
But if we invest in getting TF2 into Dreamhack, then we'd still have to raise the money to send an American team there (since it's in Sweden I believe.)
Edit: I mean, do we believe that we can raise ~$35,000 as a community to not only fund TF2 in Dreamhack (~$25,000), but also fly an NA team to it (~$10,000)? It'd take a massive community get-together.
I think someone crunched down the numbers and it would take about 25k or more to get TF2 as an event there.[/quote]
But if we invest in getting TF2 into Dreamhack, then we'd still have to raise the money to send an American team there (since it's in Sweden I believe.)
Edit: I mean, do we believe that we can raise ~$35,000 as a community to not only fund TF2 in Dreamhack (~$25,000), but also fly an NA team to it (~$10,000)? It'd take a massive community get-together.
defianceWhat would the community gain for doing another one? With i46 we saw that the NA teams are better than the euro teams, especially when the euro teams aren't trying. I think the money raised by the community would be better put towards getting some NA venue to put TF2 into their event, using the money raised as a prize pot.
Seriously, what huge exposure did the game get? The single greatest thing to get exposure for this game has been John putting it on front page. Not some over glorified esea lan where eventually its just the top two NA teams playing each other with a slightly different rule set in a different continent.
b-b-but if epislon has trying and they have mike and numlocked and knoxxx on medic
this needs to be settled! urgently!
...and maybe it'll help bridge the gap between austrailian tf2 and na/europe?
[quote=defiance]What would the community gain for doing another one? With i46 we saw that the NA teams are better than the euro teams, especially when the euro teams aren't trying. I think the money raised by the community would be better put towards getting some NA venue to put TF2 into their event, using the money raised as a prize pot.
Seriously, what huge exposure did the game get? The single greatest thing to get exposure for this game has been John putting it on front page. Not some over glorified esea lan where eventually its just the top two NA teams playing each other with a slightly different rule set in a different continent.[/quote]
b-b-but if epislon has trying and they have mike and numlocked and knoxxx on medic
this needs to be settled! urgently!
...and maybe it'll help bridge the gap between austrailian tf2 and na/europe?
Seriously, what huge exposure did the game get? The single greatest thing to get exposure for this game has been John putting it on front page. Not some over glorified esea lan where eventually its just the top two NA teams playing each other with a slightly different rule set in a different continent.[/quote]
b-b-but if epislon has trying and they have mike and numlocked and knoxxx on medic
this needs to be settled! urgently!
...and maybe it'll help bridge the gap between austrailian tf2 and na/europe?
Right, 25k is the minimum for them to open the floor for a TF2 event. That doesn't include travel, lodgings or anything for any team.
Right, 25k is the minimum for them to open the floor for a TF2 event. That doesn't include travel, lodgings or anything for any team.
if immunity goes then I would like to see an american team go, otherwise it's pointless imo
if immunity goes then I would like to see an american team go, otherwise it's pointless imo
Has anyone actually asked any NA players if they are interested in going to i49?
As Sal said, lets get away from this Dreamhack idea. It was never really going to be feasible the minute substantial fees were mentioned. They are clearly not interested enough and clearly make enough money from other business / games.
Has anyone actually asked any NA players if they are interested in going to i49?
As Sal said, lets get away from this Dreamhack idea. It was never really going to be feasible the minute substantial fees were mentioned. They are clearly not interested enough and clearly make enough money from other business / games.
As Sal said, lets get away from this Dreamhack idea. It was never really going to be feasible the minute substantial fees were mentioned. They are clearly not interested enough and clearly make enough money from other business / games.
KissmealfaIf you want to put your money into something, invest in Dreamhack
I think someone crunched down the numbers and it would take about 25k or more to get TF2 as an event there.
But if we invest in getting TF2 into Dreamhack, then we'd still have to raise the money to send an American team there (since it's in Sweden I believe.)
Edit: I mean, do we believe that we can raise ~$35,000 as a community to not only fund TF2 in Dreamhack (~$25,000), but also fly an NA team to it (~$10,000)? It'd take a massive community get-together.
What? No, you have enough TF2 teams in EU to represent such an event at dreamhack, why would you put more money into bringing NA teams to it? The whole point of that idea is to make sponsors take this game a bit more seriously and say "Oh that game looks awesome, maybe we should invest in it".
But nothing like that will happen, there's no way the competitive side of TF2 can raise that much money without external aid. It's sad but true. I think the only way to make something like i46 happen again is to have ESEA open an Euro TF2 League and maybe somehow make a common LAN like they did with CS:GO.
[quote=Kissme][quote=alfa]If you want to put your money into something, invest in Dreamhack
I think someone crunched down the numbers and it would take about 25k or more to get TF2 as an event there.[/quote]
But if we invest in getting TF2 into Dreamhack, then we'd still have to raise the money to send an American team there (since it's in Sweden I believe.)
Edit: I mean, do we believe that we can raise ~$35,000 as a community to not only fund TF2 in Dreamhack (~$25,000), but also fly an NA team to it (~$10,000)? It'd take a massive community get-together.[/quote]
What? No, you have enough TF2 teams in EU to represent such an event at dreamhack, why would you put more money into bringing NA teams to it? The whole point of that idea is to make sponsors take this game a bit more seriously and say "Oh that game looks awesome, maybe we should invest in it".
But nothing like that will happen, there's no way the competitive side of TF2 can raise that much money without external aid. It's sad but true. I think the only way to make something like i46 happen again is to have ESEA open an Euro TF2 League and maybe somehow make a common LAN like they did with CS:GO.
I think someone crunched down the numbers and it would take about 25k or more to get TF2 as an event there.[/quote]
But if we invest in getting TF2 into Dreamhack, then we'd still have to raise the money to send an American team there (since it's in Sweden I believe.)
Edit: I mean, do we believe that we can raise ~$35,000 as a community to not only fund TF2 in Dreamhack (~$25,000), but also fly an NA team to it (~$10,000)? It'd take a massive community get-together.[/quote]
What? No, you have enough TF2 teams in EU to represent such an event at dreamhack, why would you put more money into bringing NA teams to it? The whole point of that idea is to make sponsors take this game a bit more seriously and say "Oh that game looks awesome, maybe we should invest in it".
But nothing like that will happen, there's no way the competitive side of TF2 can raise that much money without external aid. It's sad but true. I think the only way to make something like i46 happen again is to have ESEA open an Euro TF2 League and maybe somehow make a common LAN like they did with CS:GO.
SalamancerI'd rather not see an all-star team
ok I guess we don't send bp but we gotta send someone
[quote=Salamancer]I'd rather not see an all-star team [/quote]
ok I guess we don't send bp but we gotta send someone
ok I guess we don't send bp but we gotta send someone
Was the $20K last year for just the 12 players or was there also a cost for extv and other casting costs?
Was the $20K last year for just the 12 players or was there also a cost for extv and other casting costs?
Sorry to be off-topic a bit (or if old news) but it seems Sal is active in this thread.
To anyone associated with extv, I found a public directory with, whats looks to be, all of the raw footage for that is for the i46 documentary (uncut interviews, travel footage, ambient crowd footage, player footage, voice overs, etc). If such a thing should not exist, please add me on steam and I can help out as much as I can. If it is old news, I am sorry. But if it is not old news and gets ok'd by someone, I will be posting a link to it.
Sorry to be off-topic a bit (or if old news) but it seems Sal is active in this thread.
To anyone associated with extv, I found a public directory with, whats looks to be, all of the raw footage for that is for the i46 documentary (uncut interviews, travel footage, ambient crowd footage, player footage, voice overs, etc). If such a thing should not exist, please add me on steam and I can help out as much as I can. If it is old news, I am sorry. But if it is not old news and gets ok'd by someone, I will be posting a link to it.
To anyone associated with extv, I found a public directory with, whats looks to be, all of the raw footage for that is for the i46 documentary (uncut interviews, travel footage, ambient crowd footage, player footage, voice overs, etc). If such a thing should not exist, please add me on steam and I can help out as much as I can. If it is old news, I am sorry. But if it is not old news and gets ok'd by someone, I will be posting a link to it.
HandcuffedWas the $20K last year for just the 12 players or was there also a cost for extv and other casting costs?
Pretty sure it was just the cost of the players. If it was done on a team by team basis, they can work out exact costs involved in flights for each of their players.
Mana; my worry with the teams managing the funds themselves is sheer laziness and/or stability. Can the individual teams have one 'manager' that can be relied upon to stay on top of the funding process? Can they guarantee not to split up before August?
That's why I wanted someone reliable and known in the TF2 scene to be in charge of the donation drive so to speak. If a team does it themselves and gets donations, then has some kind of fallout then the whole thing has been a waste of time and an utter joke.
[quote=Handcuffed]Was the $20K last year for just the 12 players or was there also a cost for extv and other casting costs?[/quote]
Pretty sure it was just the cost of the players. If it was done on a team by team basis, they can work out exact costs involved in flights for each of their players.
Mana; my worry with the teams managing the funds themselves is sheer laziness and/or stability. Can the individual teams have one 'manager' that can be relied upon to stay on top of the funding process? Can they guarantee not to split up before August?
That's why I wanted someone reliable and known in the TF2 scene to be in charge of the donation drive so to speak. If a team does it themselves and gets donations, then has some kind of fallout then the whole thing has been a waste of time and an utter joke.
Pretty sure it was just the cost of the players. If it was done on a team by team basis, they can work out exact costs involved in flights for each of their players.
Mana; my worry with the teams managing the funds themselves is sheer laziness and/or stability. Can the individual teams have one 'manager' that can be relied upon to stay on top of the funding process? Can they guarantee not to split up before August?
That's why I wanted someone reliable and known in the TF2 scene to be in charge of the donation drive so to speak. If a team does it themselves and gets donations, then has some kind of fallout then the whole thing has been a waste of time and an utter joke.
Weird. I'm not around with Steam until later tonight. I've sent an email so will tell you soon.
Weird. I'm not around with Steam until later tonight. I've sent an email so will tell you soon.
#145 It's not supposed to be public. Let me know where you found it at salamancer.tv@gmail.com and I'll get it taken care of somehow, thanks.
#145 It's not supposed to be public. Let me know where you found it at salamancer.tv@gmail.com and I'll get it taken care of somehow, thanks.
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I feel like there's tons of new players entering the league lately. The problem is a lot of the older ones have finally had enough. Maybe i46 wasn't useless after all?
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I feel like there's tons of new players entering the league lately. The problem is a lot of the older ones have finally had enough. Maybe i46 wasn't useless after all?
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