scrabAlso you say you're not going to compare who is worse off, and then immediately say that actually black people have it worse because of some arbitrarily defined personal anecdotal evidence. Which is it?
I worded it very poorly, let me clarify.
What I meant is it's not OK to call anyone slurs based on ethnicity or nationality. Therefore we shouldn't argue "which slur is ok to use for whom based on how oppressed they are".
At the same time, using your identity as irish in order to justify using slurs is ridiculous.
[quote=scrab]Also you say you're not going to compare who is worse off, and then immediately say that actually black people have it worse because of some arbitrarily defined personal anecdotal evidence. Which is it?[/quote]
I worded it [i]very poorly[/i], let me clarify.
What I meant is it's not OK to call anyone slurs based on ethnicity or nationality. Therefore we shouldn't argue "which slur is ok to use for whom based on how oppressed they are".
At the same time, using your identity as irish in order to justify using slurs is ridiculous.
AdnurakYou are not making the community more pleasant for anyone, you are not affecting positive change in the world, all you're doing is making it more stressful for anyone to interact with eachother outside of little cliques. You are not making anyone less racist by pulling this honest to god 8-year-old telltale shit over someone saying "nigga" to you in steam PMs. We're living in bad times, the whole world is kind of in the shitter right now and you're actively going out of your way to mess with somebody over something that's legit not a big deal in any way.
I wish I could understand how all of a sudden in the last few years there are all these people getting their moral values and social guidance from fucking AMAZON via twitch dot television, as if advertisers will pull non-existent funding from you or something if we don't all act like we're hosting a livestream in private 24/7.
If you don't see it by now let me try to explain: You don't make the public less racist by cornering people over the most innocuous behaviour, howling about it in public and kicking them out of your clubs. You just force everyone who doesn't think exactly like you into an ever-growing group of angry people, defined precisely by their opposition to you on this issue, they don't stop existing, you make the problem worse. You are the reason racial tension is escalating more and more in the last 10 years, you are through your behaviour manufacturing opposition where none previously existed.
facts. stg yall just find shit to be mad about. it's really not that big of a deal.
[quote=Adnurak]You are not making the community more pleasant for anyone, you are not affecting positive change in the world, all you're doing is making it more stressful for anyone to interact with eachother outside of little cliques. You are not making anyone less racist by pulling this honest to god 8-year-old telltale shit over someone saying "nigga" to you in steam PMs. We're living in bad times, the whole world is kind of in the shitter right now and you're actively going out of your way to mess with somebody over something that's legit not a big deal in any way.
I wish I could understand how all of a sudden in the last few years there are all these people getting their moral values and social guidance from fucking AMAZON via twitch dot television, as if advertisers will pull non-existent funding from you or something if we don't all act like we're hosting a livestream in private 24/7.
If you don't see it by now let me try to explain: You don't make the public less racist by cornering people over the most innocuous behaviour, howling about it in public and kicking them out of your clubs. You just force everyone who doesn't think exactly like you into an ever-growing group of angry people, defined precisely by their opposition to you on this issue, they don't stop existing, you make the problem worse. You are the reason racial tension is escalating more and more in the last 10 years, you are through your behaviour manufacturing opposition where none previously existed.[/quote]
facts. stg yall just find shit to be mad about. it's really not that big of a deal.
Kansiwizit's really not that big of a deal.
if it wasn't a big deal why can't u stop using a single word
[quote=Kansiwiz]it's really not that big of a deal.[/quote]
if it wasn't a big deal why can't u stop using a [i]single word[/i]
Adnurak
I wish I could understand how all of a sudden in the last few years there are all these people getting their moral values and social guidance from fucking AMAZON via twitch dot television, as if advertisers will pull non-existent funding from you or something if we don't all act like we're hosting a livestream in private 24/7.
If you don't see it by now let me try to explain: You don't make the public less racist by cornering people over the most innocuous behaviour, howling about it in public and kicking them out of your clubs. You just force everyone who doesn't think exactly like you into an ever-growing group of angry people, defined precisely by their opposition to you on this issue, they don't stop existing, you make the problem worse. You are the reason racial tension is escalating more and more in the last 10 years, you are through your behaviour manufacturing opposition where none previously existed.
100% agree; and at the rate we are going, people who are "fat-shaming" are going to be seen as evil as racists. Can't wait!
[quote=Adnurak]
I wish I could understand how all of a sudden in the last few years there are all these people getting their moral values and social guidance from fucking AMAZON via twitch dot television, as if advertisers will pull non-existent funding from you or something if we don't all act like we're hosting a livestream in private 24/7.
If you don't see it by now let me try to explain: You don't make the public less racist by cornering people over the most innocuous behaviour, howling about it in public and kicking them out of your clubs. You just force everyone who doesn't think exactly like you into an ever-growing group of angry people, defined precisely by their opposition to you on this issue, they don't stop existing, you make the problem worse. You are the reason racial tension is escalating more and more in the last 10 years, you are through your behaviour manufacturing opposition where none previously existed.[/quote]
100% agree; and at the rate we are going, people who are "fat-shaming" are going to be seen as evil as racists. Can't wait!
CollaideKansiwizit's really not that big of a deal.
if it wasn't a big deal why can't u stop using a single word
you're a fucking moron if you think that the slippery slope doesn't apply to arbitrarily restricting what people say in private (it does) ((you are a moron))
[quote=Collaide][quote=Kansiwiz]it's really not that big of a deal.[/quote]
if it wasn't a big deal why can't u stop using a [i]single word[/i][/quote]
you're a fucking moron if you think that the slippery slope doesn't apply to arbitrarily restricting what people say in private (it does) ((you are a moron))
toads_tfyou're a fucking moron if you think that the slippery slope doesn't apply to arbitrarily restricting what people say in private (it does) ((you are a moron))
you have the freedom to use slurs still, it's just that other people have the freedom to judge you for it.
community leagues and community websites also have the freedom to ban whomever they want.
go cry you stupid bitch lmao
[quote=toads_tf]
you're a fucking moron if you think that the slippery slope doesn't apply to arbitrarily restricting what people say in private (it does) ((you are a moron))[/quote]
you have the freedom to use slurs still, it's just that other people have the freedom to judge you for it.
community leagues and community websites also have the freedom to ban whomever they want.
go cry you stupid bitch lmao
EntropyTFCan you not like, submit that to the ETF2L and pugchamp teams? Thread seems like a weird way of putting this out.
It's almost like this has nothing to do with making the community any better and everything to do with clout-chasing.
[quote=EntropyTF]Can you not like, submit that to the ETF2L and pugchamp teams? Thread seems like a weird way of putting this out.[/quote]
It's almost like this has nothing to do with making the community any better and everything to do with clout-chasing.
just dont say bad words bro it aint that deep
just dont say bad words bro it aint that deep
https://imgur.com/yBvjuIq
CollaideAt the same time, using your identity as irish in order to justify using slurs is ridiculous.
When did this happen? you are in cloud cuckoo land dude, you clearly didn't read my posts, or you instantly saw red and didn't make any attempt to understand them. You lumped me into a box with "white people", insinuated that I was American, which is the reason I bring up my identity in the first place, I personally don't think it matters much, but I won't have my identity as "white" used as a club to beat me with or to shame me. You brought it into the discussion, not me.
You falsely claimed I was defending racism, and now you continue acting like any of this is about me. I know I said I was done with this thread, but I hoped that that would mean an end to this nonsense tangent where you made things up about me to discredit my argument about the polarisation effect of exactly the kind of behaviour you're exhibiting here. Please identify where in any of my posts here I defended racism, or stop lambasting me for simply expressing my legitimate opinion about the pitfalls of this particular manner in which people attempt to go after racism.
[quote=Collaide]At the same time, using your identity as irish in order to justify using slurs is ridiculous.[/quote]
When did this happen? you are in cloud cuckoo land dude, you clearly didn't read my posts, or you instantly saw red and didn't make any attempt to understand them. You lumped me into a box with "white people", insinuated that I was American, which is the reason I bring up my identity in the first place, I personally don't think it matters much, but I won't have my identity as "white" used as a club to beat me with or to shame me. You brought it into the discussion, not me.
You falsely claimed I was defending racism, and now you continue acting like any of this is about me. I know I said I was done with this thread, but I hoped that that would mean an end to this nonsense tangent where you made things up about me to discredit my argument about the polarisation effect of exactly the kind of behaviour you're exhibiting here. Please identify where in any of my posts here I defended racism, or stop lambasting me for simply expressing my legitimate opinion about the pitfalls of this particular manner in which people attempt to go after racism.
Collaidetoads_tfyou're a fucking moron if you think that the slippery slope doesn't apply to arbitrarily restricting what people say in private (it does) ((you are a moron))
you have the freedom to use slurs still, it's just that other people have the freedom to judge you for it. community leagues and community websites also have the freedom to ban whomever they want.
u have the freedom to get btfo by the minuspooitis system lol (fixed your reddit spacing)
[quote=Collaide][quote=toads_tf]
you're a fucking moron if you think that the slippery slope doesn't apply to arbitrarily restricting what people say in private (it does) ((you are a moron))[/quote]
you have the freedom to use slurs still, it's just that other people have the freedom to judge you for it. community leagues and community websites also have the freedom to ban whomever they want.[/quote]
u have the freedom to get btfo by the minuspooitis system lol (fixed your reddit spacing)
caaaaaaaaatcounouhttps://i.gyazo.com/77f3b5107dd49ef7294dd55cd69b5764.png
ty for this. i have messaged etf2l admins about this too.
now community is safe from mean guy
[quote=caaaaaaaaat][quote=counou]https://i.gyazo.com/77f3b5107dd49ef7294dd55cd69b5764.png[/quote]
ty for this. i have messaged etf2l admins about this too.[/quote]
now community is safe from mean guy
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if he hates sweden why is he wearing a shirt with the swedish flag? i don't get it
[quote=sco_][img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/253/071/e12.png[/img][/quote]
if he hates sweden why is he wearing a shirt with the swedish flag? i don't get it
[quote=sco_][img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/253/071/e12.png[/img][/quote]
Yo Thats Literally me . WTF!!!!
i mean. say what you want about cat "clout chasing" or whatever, making this thread meant a lot of people had the opportunity to expose their room temperature iqs
i mean. say what you want about cat "clout chasing" or whatever, making this thread meant a lot of people had the opportunity to expose their room temperature iqs
AdnurakCollaideAt the same time, using your identity as irish in order to justify using slurs is ridiculous.
When did this happen? you are in cloud cuckoo land dude, you clearly didn't read my posts, or you instantly saw red and didn't make any attempt to understand them.
You lumped me into a box with "white people", insinuated that I was American, which is the reason I bring up my identity in the first place, I personally don't think it matters much, but I won't have my identity as "white" used as a club to beat me with or to shame me.
Please identify where in any of my posts here I defended racism, or stop lambasting me for simply expressing my legitimate opinion about the pitfalls of this particular manner in which people attempt to go after racism.
Please identify where in any of my posts here where I "clubbed you" and "beat you" for being white? Furthermore, are irish people not considered “white” in the modern day? You genuinely made up stuff about what I said and read between the lines when I didn't intend to have a secondary meaning. Again, I’m sorry for mistaking you as American when you are in fact Irish, but how does this undermine the general argument I was making? You never explained it! Instead, when I say shit like 'Just don’t say the word' you seem to take personal offense to it. Why?
The only reason (I can think of) why you would ever take offense to me calling you the wrong nationality is because you believe you being irish is somehow relevant to the discussion on whether or not anyone should be using the n-word. Why did you feel the need to say that 'irish people like me have been oppressed historically'? Please answer.
And yes, I stand by what I said in post #50. White people using the n-word (and other racial slurs), especially in countries like the US or other white-majority countries, is in fact a way to racially agitate a racist white population, to a lesser or larger degree. This does not mean that you are a bad person for being white.
The last paragraph of your original post was essentially about, people calling out others for the use of racial slurs is some sort of racial agitation, and a tool for me and others to maliciously divide the community. You then came to the brilliant conclusion “The reason racial tension is increasing is because in the last 10 years people have started to become less tolerant of the usage of racial slurs.” which is a statement that cannot be taken by face value. Where is the evidence backing this up?
If anything the racial agitation and polarization we see in EU and NA is more directly linked with economic instability causing predominantly conservative people to more or less blame minorities for it. Instead of explicitly mentioning this however, people like you attempt to switch the attention to social issues like “Why can’t I say racial slurs anymore?”. I’m very much aware that racism cannot be solved overnight. At the same time, if anyone is offended when asked, often very politely, to stop using racial slurs there might be some sort of bias clouding their mind.
[quote=Adnurak][quote=Collaide]At the same time, using your identity as irish in order to justify using slurs is ridiculous.[/quote]
When did this happen? you are in cloud cuckoo land dude, you clearly didn't read my posts, or you instantly saw red and didn't make any attempt to understand them.
You lumped me into a box with "white people", insinuated that I was American, which is the reason I bring up my identity in the first place, I personally don't think it matters much, but I won't have my identity as "white" used as a club to beat me with or to shame me.
Please identify where in any of my posts here I defended racism, or stop lambasting me for simply expressing my legitimate opinion about the pitfalls of this particular manner in which people attempt to go after racism.[/quote]
Please identify where in any of my posts here where I "clubbed you" and "beat you" for being white? Furthermore, are irish people not considered “white” in the modern day? You genuinely made up stuff about what I said and read between the lines when I didn't intend to have a secondary meaning. Again, I’m sorry for mistaking you as American when you are in fact Irish, but how does this undermine the general argument I was making? You never explained it! Instead, when I say shit like 'Just don’t say the word' you seem to take personal offense to it. Why?
The only reason (I can think of) why you would ever take offense to me calling you the wrong nationality is because you believe you being irish is somehow relevant to the discussion on whether or not anyone should be using the n-word. Why did you feel the need to say that 'irish people like me have been oppressed historically'? Please answer.
And yes, I stand by what I said in post #50. White people using the n-word (and other racial slurs), especially in countries like the US or other white-majority countries, is in fact a way to racially agitate a racist white population, to a lesser or larger degree. [u]This does not mean that you are a bad person for being white.[/u]
The last paragraph of your original post was essentially about, people calling out others for the use of racial slurs is some sort of racial agitation, and a tool for me and others to maliciously divide the community. You then came to the brilliant conclusion “The reason racial tension is increasing is because in the last 10 years people have started to become less tolerant of the usage of racial slurs.” which is a statement that cannot be taken by face value. Where is the evidence backing this up?
If anything the racial agitation and polarization we see in EU and NA is more directly linked with economic instability causing predominantly conservative people to more or less blame minorities for it. Instead of explicitly mentioning this however, people like you attempt to switch the attention to social issues like “Why can’t I say racial slurs anymore?”. I’m very much aware that racism cannot be solved overnight. At the same time, if anyone is offended when asked, often very politely, to stop using racial slurs there might be some sort of bias clouding their mind.
[quote=Collaide][/quote]
relax.
CollaideAdnurakCollaideAt the same time, using your identity as irish in order to justify using slurs is ridiculous.
When did this happen? you are in cloud cuckoo land dude, you clearly didn't read my posts, or you instantly saw red and didn't make any attempt to understand them.
You lumped me into a box with "white people", insinuated that I was American, which is the reason I bring up my identity in the first place, I personally don't think it matters much, but I won't have my identity as "white" used as a club to beat me with or to shame me.
Please identify where in any of my posts here I defended racism, or stop lambasting me for simply expressing my legitimate opinion about the pitfalls of this particular manner in which people attempt to go after racism.
Please identify where in any of my posts here where I "clubbed you" and "beat you" for being white? Furthermore, are irish people not considered “white” in the modern day? You genuinely made up stuff about what I said and read between the lines when I didn't intend to have a secondary meaning. Again, I’m sorry for mistaking you as American when you are in fact Irish, but how does this undermine the general argument I was making? You never explained it! Instead, when I say shit like 'Just don’t say the word' you seem to take personal offense to it. Why?
The only reason (I can think of) why you would ever take offense to me calling you the wrong nationality is because you believe you being irish is somehow relevant to the discussion on whether or not anyone should be using the n-word. Why did you feel the need to say that 'irish people like me have been oppressed historically'? Please answer.
And yes, I stand by what I said in post #50. White people using the n-word (and other racial slurs), especially in countries like the US or other white-majority countries, is in fact a way to racially agitate a racist white population, to a lesser or larger degree. This does not mean that you are a bad person for being white.
The last paragraph of your original post was essentially about, people calling out others for the use of racial slurs is some sort of racial agitation, and a tool for me and others to maliciously divide the community. You then came to the brilliant conclusion “The reason racial tension is increasing is because in the last 10 years people have started to become less tolerant of the usage of racial slurs.” which is a statement that cannot be taken by face value. Where is the evidence backing this up?
If anything the racial agitation and polarization we see in EU and NA is more directly linked with economic instability causing predominantly conservative people to more or less blame minorities for it. Instead of explicitly mentioning this however, people like you attempt to switch the attention to social issues like “Why can’t I say racial slurs anymore?”. I’m very much aware that racism cannot be solved overnight. At the same time, if anyone is offended when asked, often very politely, to stop using racial slurs there might be some sort of bias clouding their mind.
go back to reddit
[quote=Collaide][quote=Adnurak][quote=Collaide]At the same time, using your identity as irish in order to justify using slurs is ridiculous.[/quote]
When did this happen? you are in cloud cuckoo land dude, you clearly didn't read my posts, or you instantly saw red and didn't make any attempt to understand them.
You lumped me into a box with "white people", insinuated that I was American, which is the reason I bring up my identity in the first place, I personally don't think it matters much, but I won't have my identity as "white" used as a club to beat me with or to shame me.
Please identify where in any of my posts here I defended racism, or stop lambasting me for simply expressing my legitimate opinion about the pitfalls of this particular manner in which people attempt to go after racism.[/quote]
Please identify where in any of my posts here where I "clubbed you" and "beat you" for being white? Furthermore, are irish people not considered “white” in the modern day? You genuinely made up stuff about what I said and read between the lines when I didn't intend to have a secondary meaning. Again, I’m sorry for mistaking you as American when you are in fact Irish, but how does this undermine the general argument I was making? You never explained it! Instead, when I say shit like 'Just don’t say the word' you seem to take personal offense to it. Why?
The only reason (I can think of) why you would ever take offense to me calling you the wrong nationality is because you believe you being irish is somehow relevant to the discussion on whether or not anyone should be using the n-word. Why did you feel the need to say that 'irish people like me have been oppressed historically'? Please answer.
And yes, I stand by what I said in post #50. White people using the n-word (and other racial slurs), especially in countries like the US or other white-majority countries, is in fact a way to racially agitate a racist white population, to a lesser or larger degree. [u]This does not mean that you are a bad person for being white.[/u]
The last paragraph of your original post was essentially about, people calling out others for the use of racial slurs is some sort of racial agitation, and a tool for me and others to maliciously divide the community. You then came to the brilliant conclusion “The reason racial tension is increasing is because in the last 10 years people have started to become less tolerant of the usage of racial slurs.” which is a statement that cannot be taken by face value. Where is the evidence backing this up?
If anything the racial agitation and polarization we see in EU and NA is more directly linked with economic instability causing predominantly conservative people to more or less blame minorities for it. Instead of explicitly mentioning this however, people like you attempt to switch the attention to social issues like “Why can’t I say racial slurs anymore?”. I’m very much aware that racism cannot be solved overnight. At the same time, if anyone is offended when asked, often very politely, to stop using racial slurs there might be some sort of bias clouding their mind.[/quote]
go back to reddit
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Collaidego cry you stupid bitch lmao
[quote=Collaide]
go cry you stupid bitch lmao[/quote]
CollaideFurthermore, are irish people not considered “white” in the modern day?
Oh, how convenient that the Swede wants to group different racially distinct European haplogroups under the blanket term of "white"
YOUR VIKING ANCESTORS RAPED AND MURDERED MY PEOPLE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND WE WILL NEVER EVER FORGET IT
APOLOGISE
[quote=Collaide]Furthermore, are irish people not considered “white” in the modern day? [/quote]
Oh, how [i]convenient[/i] that the Swede wants to group different racially distinct European haplogroups under the blanket term of "white"
YOUR VIKING ANCESTORS RAPED AND MURDERED MY PEOPLE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND WE WILL NEVER EVER FORGET IT
APOLOGISE
Fuck I don't know which opinion I need to copy to get me the most upfrags. Can I just get downfragged instead so I finally stop checking this post?
Fuck I don't know which opinion I need to copy to get me the most upfrags. Can I just get downfragged instead so I finally stop checking this post?
yo guys racism is not cool
sexism is the new cool
that is a joke im sorry both of them are not cool
yo guys racism is not cool
sexism is the new cool
that is a joke im sorry both of them are not cool
Collaide
You wrote up a really nice reddit essay but I'm not going to reply to any of it until you either quote exactly what I said that was "defending racism" or admit that you were wrong and spoke out of turn. Don't bring my race into a discussion to browbeat me about my implied privilege and then try to turn it around as if I'm the one who puts importance on such things.
[quote=Collaide][/quote]
You wrote up a really nice reddit essay but I'm not going to reply to any of it until you either quote exactly what I said that was "defending racism" or admit that you were wrong and spoke out of turn. Don't bring my race into a discussion to browbeat me about my implied privilege and then try to turn it around as if I'm the one who puts importance on such things.
Adnurak
scrab
if ur brains hadn't rotted due to spending 10h/day on 4chan maybe you would actually be able to do reading comprehension
[quote=Adnurak][/quote]
[quote=scrab][/quote]
if ur brains hadn't rotted due to spending 10h/day on 4chan maybe you would actually be able to do reading comprehension
CollaideAdnurak
scrab
if ur brains hadn't rotted due to spending 10h/day on 4chan maybe you would actually be able to do reading comprehension
go cry you stupid bitch lmao
[quote=Collaide][quote=Adnurak][/quote]
[quote=scrab][/quote]
if ur brains hadn't rotted due to spending 10h/day on 4chan maybe you would actually be able to do reading comprehension[/quote]
go cry you stupid bitch lmao
I love 4chan and hate reddit!!!
I love 4chan and hate reddit!!!
imagine getting a victimhood complex when ppl asks u to not say the n word
imagine getting a victimhood complex when ppl asks u to not say the n word
Collaideimagine getting a victimhood complex when ppl asks u to not say the n word
I didn't say it. You keep saying this is what it's about but it's not. You need to brush up on your own reading comprehension if you got this impression from what I said. If I was defending racism then with your superior reading comprehension you should be able to identify what part of my post was doing so.
Let me try to clarify what my point was in my original post. Chasing people out of your community for innocuous things they say in private messages is not making them less racist and is not fighting racism, it is just salting the earth. You're drawing lines around people and telling them that they're in the racist camp, and not offering them any alternative than to accept completely everything you believe, or be a "racist." Saying "nigga" in steam PMs is not what racism is.
[quote=Collaide]imagine getting a victimhood complex when ppl asks u to not say the n word[/quote]
I didn't say it. You keep saying this is what it's about but it's not. You need to brush up on your own reading comprehension if you got this impression from what I said. If I was defending racism then with your superior reading comprehension you should be able to identify what part of my post was doing so.
Let me try to clarify what my point was in my original post. Chasing people out of your community for innocuous things they say in private messages is not making them less racist and is not fighting racism, it is just salting the earth. You're drawing lines around people and telling them that they're in the racist camp, and not offering them any alternative than to accept completely everything you believe, or be a "racist." Saying "nigga" in steam PMs is not what racism is.