mustardoverlordok after a solid morning thread derail I have taken a nap and I must redeem myself
louster200Have you tried just not saying slurs?
"But it was on a private ser-"
Have you tried just not saying slurs?
"It was a map review not a sc-"
Have you tried just not saying slurs?
ITS NOT A SLUR WHEN THE PERSON SAYING IT IS BLACK
this really isn't difficult, white admins banning black people for saying the n word is actually racist lol
Tbf like are they supposed to dm the random open player and just be like "yo can you send me a selfie real quick? Just wanna see if you should be banned or not. Don't catfish me!"
[quote=mustardoverlord]ok after a solid morning thread derail I have taken a nap and I must redeem myself
[quote=louster200]Have you tried just not saying slurs?
"But it was on a private ser-"
[i]Have you tried just not saying slurs?[/i]
"It was a map review not a sc-"
[b][i]Have you tried just not saying slurs?[/i][/b][/quote]
ITS NOT A SLUR WHEN THE PERSON SAYING IT IS BLACK
this really isn't difficult, white admins banning black people for saying the n word is actually racist lol[/quote]
Tbf like are they supposed to dm the random open player and just be like "yo can you send me a selfie real quick? Just wanna see if you should be banned or not. Don't catfish me!"
Discordfygokay but real talk how is banning people for saying dumb shit in a map review important yet banning cheaters isn't?
2 month ban for saying it vs 2 year ban for cheating? If you're talking about the time it took to ban it's easier to prove one than the other
it took rgl 5 minutes to ban safrix and kev
it took rgl over 3 months to ban frkshw (someone with a history of cheating) and they still havent done anything about the people who played with frkshw
[quote=Discord][quote=fyg]okay but real talk how is banning people for saying dumb shit in a map review important yet banning cheaters isn't?[/quote]
2 month ban for saying it vs 2 year ban for cheating? If you're talking about the time it took to ban it's easier to prove one than the other[/quote]
it took rgl 5 minutes to ban safrix and kev
it took rgl over 3 months to ban frkshw (someone with a history of cheating) and they still havent done anything about the people who played with frkshw
louster200
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually punish black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
[quote=louster200]
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?[/quote]
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually [i]punish[/i] black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
PeteTbf like are they supposed to dm the random open player and just be like "yo can you send me a selfie real quick? Just wanna see if you should be banned or not. Don't catfish me!"
sure, but this isn't a random open player, it's an invite player who routinely streams with a facecam, and the fact that people are still defending it by saying MAYBE JUST DONT SAY THAT WORD proves that it's not just because they thought safrix was white, but because they're legitimately just morons
[quote=Pete]
Tbf like are they supposed to dm the random open player and just be like "yo can you send me a selfie real quick? Just wanna see if you should be banned or not. Don't catfish me!"[/quote]
sure, but this isn't a random open player, it's an invite player who routinely streams with a facecam, and the fact that people are still defending it by saying MAYBE JUST DONT SAY THAT WORD proves that it's not just because they thought safrix was white, but because they're legitimately just morons
can blacks from england say it mustard?
can blacks from england say it mustard?
MUSTARD IS INVITED TO THE COOKOUT
[img]https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/5f6143c20b77be6bfcade23e/3x[/img]
Mustard why do you assume the people in power are while, idk seems kinda racist.....
Mustard why do you assume the people in power are while, idk seems kinda racist.....
mustardoverlordlouster200
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually punish black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
tldr
[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=louster200]
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?[/quote]
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually [i]punish[/i] black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.[/quote]
tldr
unrelated but the anti cheat team and the team that deals with slurs n stuff are likely not the same people
unrelated but the anti cheat team and the team that deals with slurs n stuff are likely not the same people
mustardoverlordlouster200
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually punish black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
if one race cant say it but the other can thats racist
[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=louster200]
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?[/quote]
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually [i]punish[/i] black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.[/quote]
if one race cant say it but the other can thats racist
Honestly mustard I know you're like elbow deep into a post right now but I'm listening to a dude explain how much he hunts to a vegan, I appreciate you giving me something to do in these trying times.
Honestly mustard I know you're like elbow deep into a post right now but I'm listening to a dude explain how much he hunts to a vegan, I appreciate you giving me something to do in these trying times.
louster200mustardoverlordlouster200
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually punish black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
tldr
TLDR ur stupid and need to learn context.
pussy ass admins locked the thread bc they got called racists for banning a black person for saying his word
[quote=louster200][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=louster200]
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?[/quote]
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually [i]punish[/i] black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.[/quote]
tldr[/quote]
TLDR ur stupid and need to learn context.
pussy ass admins locked the thread bc they got called racists for banning a black person for saying his word
Okay but honestly does anyone actually like having people banned over minor infractions? It’s one thing to harass someone, but it’s completely different to say dumbshit in a private server during a map review.
Okay but honestly does anyone actually like having people banned over minor infractions? It’s one thing to harass someone, but it’s completely different to say dumbshit in a private server during a map review.
fygOkay but honestly does anyone actually like having people banned over minor infractions? It’s one thing to harass someone, but it’s completely different to say them in a private server during a map review.
rgl holds invite players to a higher standard
[quote=fyg]Okay but honestly does anyone actually like having people banned over minor infractions? It’s one thing to harass someone, but it’s completely different to say them in a private server during a map review.[/quote]
rgl holds invite players to a higher standard
I don't think it's helpful to redirect the conversation about the rule being too harsh, because that's totally irrelevant
even if it's a lifetime ban for a single racial slur once in one's tf2 career it's irrelevant
the point is that black people saying the n word isn't a racial slur lol
I don't think it's helpful to redirect the conversation about the rule being too harsh, because that's totally irrelevant
even if it's a lifetime ban for a single racial slur once in one's tf2 career it's irrelevant
the point is that black people saying the n word isn't a racial slur lol
marscan blacks from england say it mustard?
mans got banned from tf2 ye? mans said nword ye? rgl on a bum ting
[quote=mars]can blacks from england say it mustard?[/quote]
mans got banned from tf2 ye? mans said nword ye? rgl on a bum ting
fygIt’s one thing to harass someone, but it’s completely different to say dumbshit in a private server during a map review.
literally this, no one got hurt. it just kills our team. also both of their bans say "use of racial slurs during scrim" which is just not true. still rgl never ceases to amaze me. im also not suprised we got banned this season but i didnt think it would be for this dumb of a reason
[quote=fyg]It’s one thing to harass someone, but it’s completely different to say dumbshit in a private server during a map review.[/quote]
literally this, no one got hurt. it just kills our team. also both of their bans say "use of racial slurs during scrim" which is just not true. still rgl never ceases to amaze me. im also not suprised we got banned this season but i didnt think it would be for this dumb of a reason
aZnfygIt’s one thing to harass someone, but it’s completely different to say dumbshit in a private server during a map review.
literally this, no one got hurt. it just kills our team. also both of their bans say "use of racial slurs during scrim" which is just not true. still rgl never ceases to amaze me
at least we all learned a valuable lesson!
Always re exec before you start scrims.
[quote=aZn][quote=fyg]It’s one thing to harass someone, but it’s completely different to say dumbshit in a private server during a map review.[/quote]
literally this, no one got hurt. it just kills our team. also both of their bans say "use of racial slurs during scrim" which is just not true. still rgl never ceases to amaze me[/quote]
at least we all learned a valuable lesson!
Always re exec before you start scrims.
MAL cjerk after getting someone new to say nibber or just the straight up hard R
https://i.imgur.com/dkXwtFl.png
MAL cjerk after getting someone new to say nibber or just the straight up hard R
[img]https://i.imgur.com/dkXwtFl.png[/img]
louster200mustardoverlordlouster200
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually punish black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
tldr
https://twitter.com/cornellwbrooks/status/1246548432292057090?lang=en
[quote=louster200][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=louster200]
https://i.imgur.com/Y6K2qRv.png
Maybe just don't use that language then, regardless of who is saying it?[/quote]
You are a fucking idiot dude.
Allow me to try to help. WHY is it seen as racist for white people to say the n word? This is an incredibly basic question, but I have to preface my point with it because it seems to be getting lost in translation. It's racist because it is associated with chattel slavery, when black people were seen as property and not as human beings. It's racist because even after slavery, whites continued to use it as they lynched black people and as they enacted Jim Crow laws to replicate the same racial caste system. It serves as a painful reminder to many people of this legacy of oppression, and also of privilege, because there's no equivalent word that can be used against white people to remind them of a similar dark time in history, because there was no such dark time.
Now, as is plainly obvious to see, a lot of black people have reclaimed the word as, if not exactly a point of pride, a point of defiance. Of course, this topic is debated in the black community all the time, and there are definitely people who think the word should be retired entirely (and maybe even a few outliers who think that the stigma associated with white people saying it should be lifted in order to fully overcome the word's history, but I guarantee you that's not the majority). Still, it represents a tiny but important way in which black people can reference their collective history with a single shorthand. Context is obviously important.
A bunch of white people deciding that they have the authority to declare the word verboten and actually [i]punish[/i] black people for using it does not look like being a good ally. It looks like it's borne out of the same impulse to control people of color and tell them what they can and can't do. It's actually at least as racist as saying the word itself.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.[/quote]
tldr[/quote]
https://twitter.com/cornellwbrooks/status/1246548432292057090?lang=en
indecencynibber
youre now banned from rgl
[quote=indecency]nibber [/img][/quote]
youre now banned from rgl
Safrix down bad... playing overwatch...
Safrix down bad... playing overwatch...
https://i.imgur.com/ah9I9kB.jpg
mustard did this so he would be a shoo-in for the next coach's corner
mustard did this so he would be a shoo-in for the next coach's corner
war
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war never changes
[quote=crackbabydumpster][quote=louster200][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=louster200]
https://twitter.com/cornellwbrooks/status/1246548432292057090?lang=en[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FBCxbqz5X0
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