I thought the iron bomber debate was settled but euros gotta euro

https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1009753/remove-iron-bomber-from-whitelist
https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1009792/remove-iron-bomber-from-whitelist
https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1009843/remove-iron-bomber-from-whitelist

read up on what I said before (+ the eemes post which is also very well phrased) and then quit crying

edit: this from josh is good too
https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1010122/remove-iron-bomber-from-whitelist

I don't really understand how spoon is more oppressive than sniper class in general. Every argument against spoon in this thread can be applied to sniper.

Some reasonable arguments being made for banning but none for keeping it in. The weapons is overpowered AND annoying because it can oneshot basically any class in standard 6s. This is a completely reasonable argument.

Trying to argue that it isn't overpowered is the wrong way to go around it, instead you can consider the skill aspect of the weapon, or the interactivity between opposing teams. Is the skill of hitting a market garden higher or lower than an airshot or bombing a medic? Is there less or more interactivity between teams based on the oneshot mechanic?

In this one case, it is clear there is lower interactivity between teams making it frustrating to go against, and honestly play with someone messing around with it too. The skill aspect is probably an even thing between standard rocket launcher bombs and market gardens, I'm not one to judge that since I don't play soldier. However I don't feel outplayed when I get market gardened as a medic, and I don't feel I outplayed the enemy when I dodge one (I just feel like they missed).

An actual argument about keeping the weapon is that we finally got a season where top teams are using different weapons/classes to a decent level. We can finally talk about actual things like banners, mantreads, pyro, market gardener with good ideas and feedback about it with seeing how people actually feel about the weapons. Further testing is a good thing to properly understand the weapons when this thread showcases that very few people actually understand them.

One extra point is that if the oneshot mechanic is what makes it worth being banned, then we have to consider sniper/spy too and whether we ban them too.

the sniper rifle is not a weapon you can switch to in between rocket jumping with the rocket launcher

When i play against meds like you and Domo it doesn't really matter what weapon i use.

this man is singlehandedly bodying the entire british isles

Respect.

'issue' with market gardner not on the same level as issue with demo should be a seperate more concentrated threads on either

Items have been removed from the whitelist becuase they are bugged. I think the Gas Passer is removed because sometimes you can throw it through some walls. I would argue that because of the bhop that the Market gardener is bugged and should be removed from the whitelist. Technically the bug is with the games movement and not the weapon, but since the only weapon that is affected is the Market Gardener i think it is reasonable to remove it from the whitelist. I think the main problem is that there is no way for the enemy to know if the bhop is done correctly or misstimed by one tick.

Edit: The bhop bug also affects if you take minicrits from direct hit, so remove the direct hit as well.

so when is the sniper class getting banned

imagine sniper barreling towards you at MACH5 and close range hs'ing you that'd be fucking terrifying

give sniper the pyro jetpack

man, I didn't say my opinion but I was trying to give you a good argument to keep it whilst also complimenting your skill with it, along with gazy pyro, josh/nubbi and hugo/opti banner combos. Instead you ignore it and can't come up with any good reasoning yourself.

You should realise if you want to keep the weapon unbanned you will have to do some work since most of the good EU players want it banned. So by relating it to a oneshot mechanic and relating it to sniper, noone is going to agree with banning it. Now you just ruined a decent simplified argument to counter coherent top prem players like papi by memeing on it.

Wait I just realised this entire agument is stupid because seeds is admin and plays with nubbi. There's no way in hell it's getting banned...

If you're arguing to keep the IB then you don't realize that, if tf2 was actually being monitored and updated, then the IB would be fixed a long time ago and we wouldn't be in this position. The IB hitbox is obviously not intended to be what it is, hence it is literally broken and bug that is being abused.

IB was like giving the demo training wheels so the class could be relevant again after the sticky nerf, because they essentially made the skill ceiling higher for demo with the sticky nerf and then lowered it again with the IB. That was a long time ago tho and I would like to believe that maybe most demo mains (sry warhuryeah) have recovered. Heck most demo mains that play today weren't even born when the sticky nerf became a thing. I would also like to believe that the demos, who already have good mechanics, will bounce back in no time when the ban does go through and the rest will just have to git gud.

I could be wrong tho and maybe y'all (me included) are only good because of the IB and once it gets removed the game will literally die!

Edit: why do we have to argue and give reason to ban something from the whitelist, why not argue and reason why it should stay in the whitelist?

I'm just waiting for people to get on the ban sniper bandwagon. If 195 damage is too much wait until you hear how much sniper can do

it took you three hours to come up with that

I was scrimming man

https://i.imgur.com/rEQLSZw.png

cant we all just get along :D

eat shit flick

eat shit flick

eat shit flick

NO ONE WINS

equating mg to sniper is a dumb analogy. sniper is like if you had to use rocket jumper to use mg, completely different situation than being able to do everything a non mg soldier can do and switch to mg instantly when u need it

it took you a few days to leak papi's nations cup application

and another few days for him to switch off black profile pic...

where's the nas shit talk to spice this thread up, getting kinda stale

Noobs getting fucked by mg, try crouching..

https://clips.twitch.tv/HandsomeLongClipsmomRedCoat
it does matter what weapon you use because your rockets are really bad (hence your over reliance on a broken weapon that does the equivalent of 2 - 3 rockets in One Hit)
cope with your crutches

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