On second thought I should have waited until after the admin post and acted like I had a bingo card the whole time. Sorry guys it's early

After further investigation we realized that the proof provided being analyzed was expected to be as seen in our initial post and also another debate between us leading to further peepee poopoo in order to shart.

can i have an rgl admin bingo card?

another space could be "ban removed from rgl profile" which happened to chad420. He was originally banned for ringing for Fred and they not just unbanned him very late, but removed the ban for throwing from his profile entirely.

do my eyes deceive me or did the other TL literally say "you can't ring him because he's good at surfing"

that's genuinely top tier hilarity

add: i don't have anything against the guy as i don't know him personally, but what makes the situation funnier to me is that we literally just played against an IM team that had an old top invite player rostered on medic. is darty better at medic than him? the arguments about sandbagging are so moot at this point that they're not even worth having -- you can, in the span of 1 week, be denied a ringer because they're a t4 surfer or whatever, and then be forced to fight froyotech in newcomer "as long as they're not playing their mains" lmfao

I'm late and it's a tad off topic but there are class restrictions for a reason. The whitelist allows for classes at a limit that reece falls in line with every time he (and mike when it comes to pyro) plays.

https://puu.sh/HTVqF/ba59484b08.png

Reece moves from MN to AZ so even after competitive dormancy he has entirely different routing to the game.
Another fun fact is in our match you guys took like 20 mins at halftime to strategize against the dreadful Engineer on Process(™), turns out you decided to 'throw' for 26 minutes on Heavy to beat us, fair and square.

TLDR There's a very firm difference between throwing and playing seriously with an alternate playstyle(in our case, imposed by class restrictions) and it only takes a couple morons with authority to not tell the difference and have varying restrictions and punishments on players across all divs. Sorry reece doesn't want to play soldier.

froyotech exposed for throwing @ 4:18 for sniper to mid + training wheels rocket launcher, ban everyone in top 4

https://youtu.be/t26TzbLJCq4?t=256

i genuinely dont get it
its so incredibly easy to not consistently make the worst decisions ever. do they have to do some exam where they have to display some huge amount of incompetency and complete lack of knowledge of the game in which they are worming their way into power? whats their fucking motive? you are not making anyone lives better by being a power tripping loser. any randomly selected average player or even viewer could do a better job than these guys LOL

ps we should ban gazy for playing pyro outside last in grand finals that was definitely throwing

and they do it for free

It's kind of like those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, manage. Those who can't manage, RGL admins.

monthly retarded ban any%

can i get banned for throwing in rgl sanctioned scrims too?

Shoutout to the time where I provided rgl admins with chatlogs of a main team admitting to throwing a match with the intention of denying a lower seeded team from making playoffs, and then Makka going through the demo with a fine tooth comb giving that team every benefit of the doubt. Now we have someone who has never been remotely close to invite calling what is actually a very unfortunate circumstance "throwing" seemingly on a whim.

I don't get it, why do admins in this community froth at the mouth at the tiniest opportunity to ban people for the most inane reasons possible? Its the same people each and every time, and nothing will change because the community sorta just accepts it. Sigafoo will post an Official Recharged Gaming League ® Damage Control Public Relations post on this thread, reverse the ban, and offer to pay for their league fees or something and he will get 50 plus frags and we will all forget about how much we hate RGL until the next incident arises (likely very soon!). Nothing will change within RGL, the same circlejerk of incompetent admins will stay in power and the tf2 community will continue to shell out money and see it go NOWHERE aside from a prize pool.

We can do so much better.

most of this post is true but u cant say sigafoo ever gets more than -20 on any post

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I guess here's another mistake they must own up to!

I'm sorry but I think you missed the entire fucking point of my post. Let me be a bit more clear. If they dictate that someone running sniper to mid, while in fact trying, is throwing then why have they not done anything to Reece who has played things like full time pyro and engine, while also trying. I wasn't trying to shit on Reece or anything like you think I was by trying to say haha he engi he throw. I know why he was doing I was just pointing out the hypocrisy that rgl has when it comes to things like this. They see main players doing it and they are like, yeah it's not throwing (because it's not), but when an Invite team does something similar but to a much lesser degree while the match is being casted and then just go, well that didn't look good so it must have been throwing.

Hope that cleared it up

Edit: also that game was fun as shit. I'm glad you guys have Reece. It was a lot more fun like that tbh

it can't be throwing for reece because its the best option that reece has, which isn't true for the invite ban (which is still dumb regardless)

What's even more insane is that I reached out to them privately before this thread, outlining this exact scenario and how it will play out to a T. The only logical reason why they keep doing this is because they love being sharted on and public shaming is like a fetish to them? I'd say it kinda sucks for them that for each good thing their team does, a rogue admin is gonna squander their efforts by doing shit like this, but if the fuckups of that person are widely accepted and encouraged by the whole group then the whole group deserves the backlash.

I swear some of you think you're an anime protagonist or some shit in this community but in reality you're the side character that gets killed offscreen.

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Hey y'all, me RGL admin me post. I don't really have a lot of answers for the invite situation, mostly because I've been out of town (I just landed yesterday at 8 PM), and I'm not totally in the loop for that situation. I will say I've shared my thoughts with the team internally, and the investigation/audit of the case will be finished shortly.

Mostly, I'm here to clear stuff up about the IM situation. Fleskore and I were led to believe that Darty would be playing scout in this match, to which we gave the other team the ability to decide whether or not they would deny him. The RGL rule supporting ringers states that any ringer that is above the skill level of the player they are replacing can be denied, you can read that rule here (1009.4.2 ). We were not linked match page or told anything from the point he was denied (4 days before the match) until after the match was supposed to happen. This is not okay, as if we had known Darty was playing medic, we would have reverted the denial, and prevented this from happening. I will also acknowledge and accept responsibility for not looking into this further at the start, but please do understand that sometimes we only know what we have seen, and sometimes we don't have the time to check on every match page to assure they are being played correctly and with correct ringer formatting, etc. I personally received 4 messages on Friday at 11:40 PM, at which time I was asleep and 600 miles away from my computer. I asked both teams to reschedule and play the match out due to the communication errors, and I would like to think that was the correct decision, but again I do apologize for the trouble that it caused both teams and will make an active effort to be more diligent in the future.

Fleskore being "friends" with Queequey and therefore Quee gaining additional favor is just false. Fleskore was contacted a grand total of one time, and has no bias for Queequey and from what they have told me, has rarely interacted with this player. I ask that in the future when making an accusation like this, please be prepared to show proof, as it is important that every player is treated fairly, but at the same time throwing around accusations like this can make admins feel confused particularly when it is not true. I will say the fact that the denial was not communicated in match comms or in DMs by admins or team leaders contributed further to issues, so I apologize for that as well. (As a side note, the RGL website is subpar, to say the least, so please for god's sakes send someone a steam/discord message as well as communicating in match comms.)

Lastly, more generally, I'd like to ask that despite how frustrated and annoyed you get with admins, though sometimes justly (trust me I've been there), please refrain from throwing personal insults, attacks, and demeaning comments
towards them, as for one, it is likely to not help your situation, and secondly, it is shockingly immature especially considering how old some of you are.

Edit: The ruling I linked is very confusing, so basically know that any ringer in any division can be denied as long as they are reasonably outside the skill level of the player they are replacing.

Excuse me?
How was Fleskore led to believe that Darty would be playing scout? Can he not read or does he completely lack short-term memory? He even wrote himself "do you accept darty as a ringer that will only play medic?"

Fleskore knew. He 100% knew. There is no denying that.
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nice try rgl

To be clear, this is the support ticket from Friday, the day of the match, and approximately 20 minutes after it was supposed to happen. The statement you quoted is referring to when we were first contacted 4 days before the match. Neither team spoke to each other about the denial until contacting Fleskore on Friday. Fleskore was told at this point, that Darty was going to be playing medic and not scout, hence the confusion. I do agree, that at this point the denial should have been reverted and again I apologize for that, and for not being specific enough in my initial post.

So is Fleskore the mysterious "mod approval" or was otherwise involved from the start? Because it sure doesn't sound like it from the screenshots.

And either way it doesn't matter. He's not getting out of that hole.
Here's another quote:
"Ringing a top 3 player regardless of class for a mid IM match is excessive"
He clearly doesn't agree with your interpretation of the rules. Honestly, the rules being up for interpretation by that degree is just asking for inconsistent rulings and people getting screwed over by admins.
https://i.imgur.com/w2gNzlx.jpeg

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https://imgur.com/1M9olZm

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What is the point of the match page if you don't check it when there's a dispute? LMAO. Also the literal first thing communicated in the ticket was that the player is going to be on medic. How there is any confusion after that point is beyond me.

Oh.

I understand that you guys are sensitive gamers, but if you want people to stop making fun of you for lying and being incompetent, stop lying and being incompetent. It literally could not be any simpler. You guys have had literal years to sort this shit out and it keeps happening every few weeks like clockwork. Either make a change or put on your big boy pants and live with the fact that doing a shitty job means people are going to be upset with you. This 'hey i know you guys are upset that we've proven to be incompetent on repeat every few weeks for years now and we refuse to make a change for the better, but please be nice :)' act is beyond aggravating. Grow up.

The whole line is an insult tbh.

What kind of wishy-washy garbage is that?
Either it's excessive and he as the admin gives the approval to deny the ringer because anything else would be unfair to Queequey's team or it's not excessive, darty is the default ringer and Queequey can go suck it up.
There is no rule that states "default ringers can be denied if they are too skilled but only if there are other ringers available."

100% agree and that's something I've been trying to push since I joined this season. Also, the rule I linked is written like total garbage and really needs to be reformatted, I don't hold any members of either team accountable in that, and I take the blame for not making that clearer.

We beyond fucked up in the match page regard, there isn't really much I can do besides apologize for that and try and communicate that to other admins in the future. To your point that RGL shoots itself in the foot every few weeks and doesn't deserve to be treated angelically, I agree and think that public outcries in situations like these are beneficial. I was more leaning towards private conversations between players and admins, as since joining I have seen multiple players just pm admins statements like "fuck you" or "are you genuinely stupid?" in the midst of disputes. As much as I dislike that, I don't really see it stopping completely until RGL fixes its public image. Again, I would just like to see people be more courteous but again to your point there isn't much we can do until RGL stops fucking up.

As a side note, I'd like to respond more in these threads as I think in seasons past, saying nothing as an admin team can lead to (us) admins not holding ourselves accountable in situations like this, as I believe has been the case since RGL 6s began.

Honestly I just want to know how this mess is supposed to work.
According to the rules

the burden was on Queequey to get the default ringer denied.
So where does the mysterious "mod approval" come into this? Is a mod an admin? How was darty denied without anyone ever seeing the match page? Is there an RGL mod out there you can just DM to deny a default ringer and he'll just go "yeah, sure" without checking anything?
Was darty not properly denied because no admin was contacted (either because it wasn't through official channels or because mods are not admins) yet everyone kept dicking around anyway?

I don't think you are to blame and rescheduling seems sensible but everyone else seems to have not just dropped all the balls, but yeeted them as far away as possible.