What they did was highly illegal and i demand a class-action lawsuit.
Now that that's been said let me finish up these torrents of seasons 1-5 of Lost and the entire Tom Jones discography (I need the music for a frag vid I'm making in Sony Vegas which is totally legit.)
holy shit my name is blue and i lost half a nerdstar
What they did was highly illegal and i demand a class-action lawsuit.
Now that that's been said let me finish up these torrents of seasons 1-5 of Lost and the entire Tom Jones discography (I need the music for a frag vid I'm making in Sony Vegas which is totally legit.)
holy shit my name is blue and i lost half a nerdstar
Ggglygy(I need the music for a frag vid I'm making in Sony Vegas which is totally legit.)
don't you toy with my heart
[quote=Ggglygy](I need the music for a frag vid I'm making in Sony Vegas which is totally legit.)
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don't you toy with my heart
Sorry if a repost, but this story made the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22380603
Sorry if a repost, but this story made the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22380603
http://spaceshipcreative.com/esea-class-action-lawsuit-form/
Note: There is not enough information provided to validate their intentions. It appears one of the people in that company was affected by this and created the form, linking it on the ESEA thread http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=12692 see post #851. I have emailed the site and hope to hear back from them today with more information. Will keep you updated.
http://spaceshipcreative.com/esea-class-action-lawsuit-form/
Note: [b]There is not enough information provided to validate their intentions.[/b] It appears one of the people in that company was affected by this and created the form, linking it on the ESEA thread http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=12692 see post #851. I have emailed the site and hope to hear back from them today with more information. Will keep you updated.
I don't understand why any of you would even think TF2 would die if ESEA goes under, which it should...you honestly think there isn't somebody in the community right at this second trying to get a new league started?
I don't understand why any of you would even think TF2 would die if ESEA goes under, which it should...you honestly think there isn't somebody in the community right at this second trying to get a new league started?
CranCARRYI don't understand why any of you would even think TF2 would die if ESEA goes under, which it should...you honestly think there isn't somebody in the community right at this second trying to get a new league started?
There really isn't. TF2 won't die if ESEA drops, it just won't grow, and will eventually die a slow and painful death.
[quote=CranCARRY]I don't understand why any of you would even think TF2 would die if ESEA goes under, which it should...you honestly think there isn't somebody in the community right at this second trying to get a new league started?[/quote]
There really isn't. TF2 won't die if ESEA drops, it just won't grow, and will eventually die a slow and painful death.
ESEA are in the wrong here, but the bottom line is its all we have on either side of the pond as far as serious organisations go. Burning ESEA to the ground would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Those of you over in the US going (oh, we have a TFTV league), I want some of the shit you're smoking because envious does not even begin to describe how us euros feel about ESEA. ETF2L has bassically no prize money compared to ESEA, 1 LAN per year, and our season grand finals are an online event organised like 2 days in advance with no promotion.
They fucked up, but you need them. Trust me.
ESEA are in the wrong here, but the bottom line is its all we have on either side of the pond as far as serious organisations go. Burning ESEA to the ground would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Those of you over in the US going (oh, we have a TFTV league), I want some of the shit you're smoking because envious does not even begin to describe how us euros feel about ESEA. ETF2L has bassically no prize money compared to ESEA, 1 LAN per year, and our season grand finals are an online event organised like 2 days in advance with no promotion.
They fucked up, but you need them. Trust me.
IcyWindCranCARRYI don't understand why any of you would even think TF2 would die if ESEA goes under, which it should...you honestly think there isn't somebody in the community right at this second trying to get a new league started?
There really isn't. TF2 won't die if ESEA drops, it just won't grow, and will eventually die a slow and painful death.
so you're saying it wont grow because....?
the community would move as a whole, now as a former CS player I know most of that community wouldn't even bother...if ESEA dies, they'll just stop playing. Whereas; our community wouldn't want to just let it go, somebody would make a league for TF2 and then integrate CS, SC, LoL, etc...just as ESEA had to. I remember when I joined ESEA it was just DOD and 1.6 lol.
Just because ESEA dies, does NOT mean the community will stop growing or "die a slow and painful death" that's just absurd for you to even think like that. The only reason it would die is if the community as a whole gave up.
Where does ESEA get the prize pools? Players league and premium fees, which would also follow to a new league. Not to mention, there's tons of people in the TF2 community that dish out mad amount of money into keys and shit like that, that would be a way to get started with a smaller prize pool of actual money...they could throw in keys, hats, etc. to make up for it until the prize pools become up to standard.
We can all agree, ESEA was so wrong in what they did and they can make any excuse they would like...I personally like the "April Fools Joke" excuse. Good card to pull lpkane I liked that! With that being said, there's 2 things that can happen. lpkane can step down or ESEA is probably going to die "a slow and painful death" which would then result in somebody like idk...maybe ENIGMA or somebody getting this going.
just my 2 cents <3
[quote=IcyWind][quote=CranCARRY]I don't understand why any of you would even think TF2 would die if ESEA goes under, which it should...you honestly think there isn't somebody in the community right at this second trying to get a new league started?[/quote]
There really isn't. TF2 won't die if ESEA drops, it just won't grow, and will eventually die a slow and painful death.[/quote]
so you're saying it wont grow because....?
the community would move as a whole, now as a former CS player I know most of that community wouldn't even bother...if ESEA dies, they'll just stop playing. Whereas; our community wouldn't want to just let it go, somebody would make a league for TF2 and then integrate CS, SC, LoL, etc...just as ESEA had to. I remember when I joined ESEA it was just DOD and 1.6 lol.
Just because ESEA dies, does NOT mean the community will stop growing or "die a slow and painful death" that's just absurd for you to even think like that. The only reason it would die is if the community as a whole gave up.
Where does ESEA get the prize pools? Players league and premium fees, which would also follow to a new league. Not to mention, there's tons of people in the TF2 community that dish out mad amount of money into keys and shit like that, that would be a way to get started with a smaller prize pool of actual money...they could throw in keys, hats, etc. to make up for it until the prize pools become up to standard.
We can all agree, ESEA was so wrong in what they did and they can make any excuse they would like...I personally like the "April Fools Joke" excuse. Good card to pull lpkane I liked that! With that being said, there's 2 things that can happen. lpkane can step down or ESEA is probably going to die "a slow and painful death" which would then result in somebody like idk...maybe ENIGMA or somebody getting this going.
just my 2 cents <3
CranCARRYIcyWindCranCARRYI don't understand why any of you would even think TF2 would die if ESEA goes under, which it should...you honestly think there isn't somebody in the community right at this second trying to get a new league started?
There really isn't. TF2 won't die if ESEA drops, it just won't grow, and will eventually die a slow and painful death.
so you're saying it wont grow because....?
the community would move as a whole, now as a former CS player I know most of that community wouldn't even bother...if ESEA dies, they'll just stop playing. Whereas; our community wouldn't want to just let it go, somebody would make a league for TF2 and then integrate CS, SC, LoL, etc...just as ESEA had to. I remember when I joined ESEA it was just DOD and 1.6 lol.
Just because ESEA dies, does NOT mean the community will stop growing or "die a slow and painful death" that's just absurd for you to even think like that. The only reason it would die is if the community as a whole gave up.
Where does ESEA get the prize pools? Players league and premium fees, which would also follow to a new league. Not to mention, there's tons of people in the TF2 community that dish out mad amount of money into keys and shit like that, that would be a way to get started with a smaller prize pool of actual money...they could throw in keys, hats, etc. to make up for it until the prize pools become up to standard.
We can all agree, ESEA was so wrong in what they did and they can make any excuse they would like...I personally like the "April Fools Joke" excuse. Good card to pull lpkane I liked that! With that being said, there's 2 things that can happen. lpkane can step down or ESEA is probably going to die "a slow and painful death" which would then result in somebody like idk...maybe ENIGMA or somebody getting this going.
just my 2 cents <3
It wouldn't grow because all we'd have left in terms of leagues are UGC and CEVO, possibly IGL.
[quote=CranCARRY][quote=IcyWind][quote=CranCARRY]I don't understand why any of you would even think TF2 would die if ESEA goes under, which it should...you honestly think there isn't somebody in the community right at this second trying to get a new league started?[/quote]
There really isn't. TF2 won't die if ESEA drops, it just won't grow, and will eventually die a slow and painful death.[/quote]
so you're saying it wont grow because....?
the community would move as a whole, now as a former CS player I know most of that community wouldn't even bother...if ESEA dies, they'll just stop playing. Whereas; our community wouldn't want to just let it go, somebody would make a league for TF2 and then integrate CS, SC, LoL, etc...just as ESEA had to. I remember when I joined ESEA it was just DOD and 1.6 lol.
Just because ESEA dies, does NOT mean the community will stop growing or "die a slow and painful death" that's just absurd for you to even think like that. The only reason it would die is if the community as a whole gave up.
Where does ESEA get the prize pools? Players league and premium fees, which would also follow to a new league. Not to mention, there's tons of people in the TF2 community that dish out mad amount of money into keys and shit like that, that would be a way to get started with a smaller prize pool of actual money...they could throw in keys, hats, etc. to make up for it until the prize pools become up to standard.
We can all agree, ESEA was so wrong in what they did and they can make any excuse they would like...I personally like the "April Fools Joke" excuse. Good card to pull lpkane I liked that! With that being said, there's 2 things that can happen. lpkane can step down or ESEA is probably going to die "a slow and painful death" which would then result in somebody like idk...maybe ENIGMA or somebody getting this going.
just my 2 cents <3[/quote]
It wouldn't grow because all we'd have left in terms of leagues are UGC and CEVO, possibly IGL.
Running a league is incredibly difficult work, let alone organizing LANs and cash prizes.
This is a community that has trouble keeping 6 people on the same roster and civil with each other for more than 2 months and paying 15$ a head to play in open.
All in all, at least after this they'll be a *lot* more careful about what goes into the client and who has access to it - because if this were to happen again there would be no coming back.
Running a league is incredibly difficult work, let alone organizing LANs and cash prizes.
This is a community that has trouble keeping 6 people on the same roster and civil with each other for more than 2 months and paying 15$ a head to play in open.
All in all, at least after this they'll be a *lot* more careful about what goes into the client and who has access to it - because if this were to happen again there would be no coming back.
What we mean by growth. Do we mean players, skill level, spectators, prize money, a number of these things? If you focus on players, UGC is growing steadily, and there is a lot of interest in Highlander. Loosing ESEA would mean possibly loosing invite level players, the prize money, and most of the infrequent spectators. I want to make this distinction because the majority of ESEA's LAN spectators (for TF2) do not follow the season up until the LAN finals.
If ESEA is profitable then there's a reason for IGL or another league to start. Leagues that aren't community leagues depend on the valuation of their events, broadcasting and communities by advertisers and potential sponsors. If we want to grow in terms of prize money we need to convince companies that targeted advertising to the TF2 community is valuable. I haven't seen ESEA grow much in the past few years while MOBA's and the FGC have exploded in terms of popularity and events, which makes me reluctant to believe the ESEA is helping TF2 as much as people think.
What we mean by growth. Do we mean players, skill level, spectators, prize money, a number of these things? If you focus on players, UGC is growing steadily, and there is a lot of interest in Highlander. Loosing ESEA would mean possibly loosing invite level players, the prize money, and most of the infrequent spectators. I want to make this distinction because the majority of ESEA's LAN spectators (for TF2) do not follow the season up until the LAN finals.
If ESEA is profitable then there's a reason for IGL or another league to start. Leagues that aren't community leagues depend on the valuation of their events, broadcasting and communities by advertisers and potential sponsors. If we want to grow in terms of prize money we need to convince companies that targeted advertising to the TF2 community is valuable. I haven't seen ESEA grow much in the past few years while MOBA's and the FGC have exploded in terms of popularity and events, which makes me reluctant to believe the ESEA is helping TF2 as much as people think.
ESEA's importance starts and stops at their ability to provide a LAN with a level playing field (one of the only well run LANs to exist in NA), so until you can compete with that they will remain extremely important for comp 6v6 TF2.
ESEA's importance starts and stops at their ability to provide a LAN with a level playing field (one of the only well run LANs to exist in NA), so until you can compete with that they will remain extremely important for comp 6v6 TF2.
We'll just have Seanbud run a new league! He organized the Tip of the Hats really well, and he's looking for a job with a degree in Business Administration!!!! Go Seanbud!:p
We'll just have Seanbud run a new league! He organized the Tip of the Hats really well, and he's looking for a job with a degree in Business Administration!!!! Go Seanbud!:p
AzilWe'll just have Seanbud run a new league! He organized the Tip of the Hats really well, and he's looking for a job with a degree in Business Administration!!!! Go Seanbud!:p
You heard it here first, folks, there's money in TF2.
Snarkiness aside, it'd be nice if that were true, but then we wouldn't be debating the moralities of staying or ditching ESEA.
[quote=Azil]We'll just have Seanbud run a new league! He organized the Tip of the Hats really well, and he's looking for a job with a degree in Business Administration!!!! Go Seanbud!:p[/quote]
You heard it here first, folks, there's money in TF2.
Snarkiness aside, it'd be nice if that were true, but then we wouldn't be debating the moralities of staying or ditching ESEA.
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic&id=492400
WHAT? BIGCOIN? BITCOIN?????
J/K Seanbud :)
I don't even think ditching ESEA is necessarily the answer. Would be nice if they had some competition though.
J/K Seanbud :)
I don't even think ditching ESEA is necessarily the answer. Would be nice if they had some competition though.
So... what will everybody do, just out of curiosity?
http://strawpoll.me/33681
So... what will everybody do, just out of curiosity?
http://strawpoll.me/33681
if we made a pay-to-play NATF2L with an anti-cheat client, it could have an optional opt-in bitcoin miner built in to raise league money.
genius?
if we made a pay-to-play NATF2L with an anti-cheat client, it could have an optional opt-in bitcoin miner built in to raise league money.
genius?
I have been told the following:
They narrowed down the incident to an individual and will be taking care of him.
they are upping the next prize pool.
donating the money to charity and 100% matching it.
reaching out to players with broken hardware because of the mining.
If all these things are true I think esea has sufficiently made up for their mistakes; and I'm comfortable with them at their current state. I don't think they have earned all the trust I had for the originally back (wasn't much to start with) but they did the right things. I just hope they would have done all of this even if the news didn't break into the gaming mainstream; the fact that more damming information came out the more mainstream attention it got is disheartening. I guess I'll never know but at least in this situation they made good.
Although I reallllly wanted a netflix style CEO apology video. oh well :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Tn8n5CIPk
I have been told the following:
They narrowed down the incident to an individual and will be taking care of him.
they are upping the next prize pool.
donating the money to charity and 100% matching it.
reaching out to players with broken hardware because of the mining.
If all these things are true I think esea has sufficiently made up for their [i]mistakes[/i]; and I'm comfortable with them at their current state. I don't think they have earned all the trust I had for the originally back (wasn't much to start with) but they did the right things. I just hope they would have done all of this even if the news didn't break into the gaming mainstream; the fact that more damming information came out the more mainstream attention it got is disheartening. I guess I'll never know but at least in this situation they made good.
Although I reallllly wanted a netflix style CEO apology video. oh well :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Tn8n5CIPk
ShwanI have been told the following:
They narrowed down the incident to an individual and will be taking care of him.
they are upping the next prize pool.
donating the money to charity and 100% matching it.
reaching out to players with broken hardware because of the mining.
If all these things are true I think esea has sufficiently made up for their mistakes;
Uh... they broke FEDERAL LAW. That's a pretty big fucking *mistake.* Hey I killed this guy, but I'm really sorry about it and I've donated some money a bought a couple video cards so whammy... it was just a *mistake.* No. It doesn't fucking work that way.
It's a shame people seem to have 5 second attention spans these days. Exactly what Torbull wanted to happen, is happening... pacify the few actually pissed off people, throw more money into the pot (they could easily afford 10x that every season, but that's another discussion) which ultimately affects a TINY percentage of affected players, and move on. In a week we'll all move on to some other witch hunt (paging the next HL player caught cheating) and Torbull and the other ESEA owners will sit back and laugh and hatch their next get rich quick scheme.
Skyride said it up above - ESEA is a necessary evil, and no one is willing to step up to challenge them. They hold the monopoly for competitive TF2 in NA and they know it. They're literally the Comcast of TF2... they hold all the cards and will do whatever they want with them and as a community we've proven time and time again we'll just bend over and take it.
So instead of demanding change, innovation, competition... we'll just keep throwing more and more money into ESEA and they'll keep rolling along with the status quo because there's absolutely no reason to change. It's a god damn shame.
[quote=Shwan]I have been told the following:
They narrowed down the incident to an individual and will be taking care of him.
they are upping the next prize pool.
donating the money to charity and 100% matching it.
reaching out to players with broken hardware because of the mining.
If all these things are true I think esea has sufficiently made up for their [i]mistakes[/i]; [/quote]
Uh... they broke FEDERAL LAW. That's a pretty big fucking *mistake.* Hey I killed this guy, but I'm really sorry about it and I've donated some money a bought a couple video cards so whammy... it was just a *mistake.* No. It doesn't fucking work that way.
It's a shame people seem to have 5 second attention spans these days. Exactly what Torbull wanted to happen, is happening... pacify the few actually pissed off people, throw more money into the pot (they could easily afford 10x that every season, but that's another discussion) which ultimately affects a TINY percentage of affected players, and move on. In a week we'll all move on to some other witch hunt (paging the next HL player caught cheating) and Torbull and the other ESEA owners will sit back and laugh and hatch their next get rich quick scheme.
Skyride said it up above - ESEA is a necessary evil, and no one is willing to step up to challenge them. They hold the monopoly for competitive TF2 in NA and they know it. They're literally the Comcast of TF2... they hold all the cards and will do whatever they want with them and as a community we've proven time and time again we'll just bend over and take it.
So instead of demanding change, innovation, competition... we'll just keep throwing more and more money into ESEA and they'll keep rolling along with the status quo because there's absolutely no reason to change. It's a god damn shame.
so why don't you sue them or something
so why don't you sue them or something
mebESEA's importance starts and stops at their ability to provide a LAN with a level playing field (one of the only well run LANs to exist in NA), so until you can compete with that they will remain extremely important for comp 6v6 TF2.
You mean "they will remain extremely important for 24 comp 6v6 tf2 players."
[quote=meb]ESEA's importance starts and stops at their ability to provide a LAN with a level playing field (one of the only well run LANs to exist in NA), so until you can compete with that they will remain extremely important for comp 6v6 TF2.[/quote]
You mean "they will remain extremely important for 24 comp 6v6 tf2 players."
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNmnRGSfZhg&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
duderShwanI have been told the following:
They narrowed down the incident to an individual and will be taking care of him.
they are upping the next prize pool.
donating the money to charity and 100% matching it.
reaching out to players with broken hardware because of the mining.
If all these things are true I think esea has sufficiently made up for their mistakes;
Uh... they broke FEDERAL LAW. That's a pretty big fucking *mistake.* Hey I killed this guy, but I'm really sorry about it and I've donated some money a bought a couple video cards so whammy... it was just a *mistake.* No. It doesn't fucking work that way.
It's a shame people seem to have 5 second attention spans these days. Exactly what Torbull wanted to happen, is happening... pacify the few actually pissed off people, throw more money into the pot (they could easily afford 10x that every season, but that's another discussion) which ultimately affects a TINY percentage of affected players, and move on. In a week we'll all move on to some other witch hunt (paging the next HL player caught cheating) and Torbull and the other ESEA owners will sit back and laugh and hatch their next get rich quick scheme.
Skyride said it up above - ESEA is a necessary evil, and no one is willing to step up to challenge them. They hold the monopoly for competitive TF2 in NA and they know it. They're literally the Comcast of TF2... they hold all the cards and will do whatever they want with them and as a community we've proven time and time again we'll just bend over and take it.
So instead of demanding change, innovation, competition... we'll just keep throwing more and more money into ESEA and they'll keep rolling along with the status quo because there's absolutely no reason to change. It's a god damn shame.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/reaper06/betrayedthelaw2.jpg
Yes. Using people's computers to mine bitcoin while playing video games is comparable to murder. Because RAAAWWWW
Everyone are mindless sheep and after all the Illuminati are responsible for everything.
...or maybe they were rightfully bashed for several days now and nobody cares.
[quote=duder][quote=Shwan]I have been told the following:
They narrowed down the incident to an individual and will be taking care of him.
they are upping the next prize pool.
donating the money to charity and 100% matching it.
reaching out to players with broken hardware because of the mining.
If all these things are true I think esea has sufficiently made up for their [i]mistakes[/i]; [/quote]
Uh... they broke FEDERAL LAW. That's a pretty big fucking *mistake.* Hey I killed this guy, but I'm really sorry about it and I've donated some money a bought a couple video cards so whammy... it was just a *mistake.* No. It doesn't fucking work that way.
It's a shame people seem to have 5 second attention spans these days. Exactly what Torbull wanted to happen, is happening... pacify the few actually pissed off people, throw more money into the pot (they could easily afford 10x that every season, but that's another discussion) which ultimately affects a TINY percentage of affected players, and move on. In a week we'll all move on to some other witch hunt (paging the next HL player caught cheating) and Torbull and the other ESEA owners will sit back and laugh and hatch their next get rich quick scheme.
Skyride said it up above - ESEA is a necessary evil, and no one is willing to step up to challenge them. They hold the monopoly for competitive TF2 in NA and they know it. They're literally the Comcast of TF2... they hold all the cards and will do whatever they want with them and as a community we've proven time and time again we'll just bend over and take it.
So instead of demanding change, innovation, competition... we'll just keep throwing more and more money into ESEA and they'll keep rolling along with the status quo because there's absolutely no reason to change. It's a god damn shame.[/quote]
[img]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/reaper06/betrayedthelaw2.jpg[/img]
Yes. Using people's computers to mine bitcoin while playing video games is comparable to murder. Because RAAAWWWW
Everyone are mindless sheep and after all the Illuminati are responsible for everything.
...or maybe they were rightfully bashed for several days now and nobody cares.
duderUh... they broke FEDERAL LAW. That's a pretty big fucking *mistake.* Hey I killed this guy, but I'm really sorry about it and I've donated some money a bought a couple video cards so whammy... it was just a *mistake.* No. It doesn't fucking work that way.
Did you just compare what esea did to murder? What?
[quote=duder]Uh... they broke FEDERAL LAW. That's a pretty big fucking *mistake.* Hey I killed this guy, but I'm really sorry about it and I've donated some money a bought a couple video cards so whammy... it was just a *mistake.* No. It doesn't fucking work that way.[/quote]
Did you just compare what esea did to murder? What?
THE BROKE A FUCKING FEDERAL LAW.
Lawsuits are civil, great way to get damages. This is criminal.
Whatever though, enjoy you fucking invite prize pot boost and free month of premium. Hope those 6 people out of 1000's really enjoy that extra money.
I'll never understand you guys.
THE BROKE A FUCKING FEDERAL LAW.
Lawsuits are civil, great way to get damages. This is criminal.
Whatever though, enjoy you fucking invite prize pot boost and free month of premium. Hope those 6 people out of 1000's really enjoy that extra money.
I'll never understand you guys.
duderTHE BROKE A FUCKING FEDERAL LAW.
Lawsuits are civil, great way to get damages. This is criminal.
Whatever though, enjoy you fucking invite prize pot boost and free month of premium. Hope those 6 people out of 1000's really enjoy that extra money.
I'll never understand you guys.
the301stspartanduderShwanhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/reaper06/betrayedthelaw2.jpg
[quote=duder]THE BROKE A FUCKING FEDERAL LAW.
Lawsuits are civil, great way to get damages. This is criminal.
Whatever though, enjoy you fucking invite prize pot boost and free month of premium. Hope those 6 people out of 1000's really enjoy that extra money.
I'll never understand you guys.[/quote]
[quote=the301stspartan][quote=duder][quote=Shwan][img]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/reaper06/betrayedthelaw2.jpg[/img][/quote]
duder owns 6 guns: 1 for hunting, 5 to resist the government takeover.
duder owns 6 guns: 1 for hunting, 5 to resist the government takeover.
Without breaking FEDERAL LAW though
Without breaking FEDERAL LAW though
I just don't get it. Apparently you're ok with being stolen from, as long as they give it back? Does that negate the fact you were stolen from and defrauded in the first place?
It's disconcerting you're all quick to talk shit about me for being mad yet you're all cool with this situation quietly going away. All you're saying is you're cool with ESEA doing whatever the fuck they want as long as they pay somebody some money if they get caught.
I just don't get it. Apparently you're ok with being stolen from, as long as they give it back? Does that negate the fact you were stolen from and defrauded in the first place?
It's disconcerting you're all quick to talk shit about me for being mad yet you're all cool with this situation quietly going away. All you're saying is you're cool with ESEA doing whatever the fuck they want as long as they pay somebody some money if they get caught.