The influx of these hilarious Onion articles is by far the best part of this piece of legislature for me.

Still though, 5-4? That doesn't sound like the year 2013 at all.

I believe in a God, but I have no problem with same-sex marriage. So what's your point?

I believe in god, this is my god.

http://luxurydoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/The-Ferrari-F70-710x415.jpg

I'm not the one combining those 2 things at all, I'm talking about the follow up comments from people who are getting all biblical about the issue.

And I'm not against people who believe in god, most of my family still does. It just blows my mind that people are still that naive.

It's like when my mother says "well if there is evolution why are there still monkeys" yet when I try to explain common ancestors or viral RNA imprinting to her, my father will tell me she's not educated enough to have that conversation with me. Mind blown.

Im sorry but all your posts are terrible

Your kind of late figuring that one out bud lol, nice try though.

People have that right ofc, but I have to agree with him that it's a bit weird that it's still a thing in America. To a large part of the rest of the world, religion is a pretty niche thing. Here (even though it shouldn't, at all) religion actually dictates how we create our laws, which really isn't a good thing at all.

And my point is that those who disagree with you on gay marriage will also disagree with what you just said. They don't think there's any reason why the one set of laws that the divine creator sent them shouldn't be a basis for our laws. They believe that if we can tell our children to say "One Nation Under God," and pay debts with currency stating "In God We Trust," then surely our laws should fall under God's wishes, and we should trust his judgement. To them, this is a disease that must be eradicated. It goes deeper than the Bible. It has been so ingrained in them that they don't think of it as a belief. It's, to them, a pure fact that this disorder is evil and should be cured, not encouraged. It's a matter of being uneducated, and from lack of awareness they get their answer from the teacher they trust most. And though they don't think everyone must believe in their God, they think they're doing us a favor by saving us from this homosexual disease. You cannot change the law by telling them to ignore their beliefs. They'd think of themselves as a martyr if we scolded them for trying to ban gay marriage. You have to accept that although I agree that it would be nice for religion to be irrelevant, the group whose minds you actually want to change will not sacrifice their beliefs to honor the beliefs of the people they call sinners and demons.

1) civil rights and tolerance are two different things
2) tolerating all beliefs (that do not explicitly translate into action that violates someone else's rights) does not mean that all beliefs are valid and should be supported

The American idea of absolute free speech and right to believe what you want means that we (hypothetically i'm not american) must tolerate a racist's belief that black people are an inferior race and should be killed or enslaved, so long as they do not actually act on that belief. That doesn't mean that we need to pretend the belief has validity, or that we should support it.

Now few people would equate the belief in god with the belief in genetic inferiority of an entire race, but the point is that not all beliefs are created equal and you can absolutely disagree with and argue against someone's belief while tolerating it at the same time.

Edit: don't want to change the wording above randomly but to pre-empt someone drawing a line at racism because it is a belief about violating other's rights, instead of "belief that black people should be killed and enslaved" just think "belief that black people are inferior"

plz no..... .plz jus b e happy

plz no more wall of text bye

too late mes this is now a

religion thread

i'd rather talk about cute people than religion

let's talk about cute things instead

god this thread got gay

Guys I am all for this. I think the marriage issue got way too bloated and was at it's best an argument in semantics. Legal marriage should be given to any two people who love eachother.

That said something needs to be corrected.

This was the result of 2 seconds of google searching. 2010 numbers, to be sure, but the 2013 are equivocal. (more numbers and stuff here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations)

-http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/dec/23/84-percent-world-population-has-faith-third-are-ch/

Despite what public schools would have you believe religion is not a niche thing. Sorry, but it's not. Does this mean you ought to believe in a religion. No. And we live in a great country that tries its best to make sure no one is forced to believe or not believe anything they don't want to. Religion does not dictate our laws. Morality often does, but as everyone knows this is just some weird and happy coincidence that has nothing to do with anything.

edit: darn, you locked the thread? Well I'm sorry mocha but you need to read the bible or Koran if you don't believe that you're supposed to "accept" that religions specific prophet in order to get into heaven.

I've been studying and debating religious history for over 25 years :/

kuza ya dumb butt not everyone in every religion believes that people in other religions are immediately wrong or sentenced to eternal damnation

this was supposed to be about boys getting to kiss boys and girls getting to kiss girls you whippersnappers had one job dammit