not just map tweaks, weapons too

#1

brah

20 Frags – +

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=11024

the great rebalancing is upon us

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=11024

the great rebalancing is upon us

#2

sky_

42 Frags – +

In other words, when someone beats you, it's because they played better, either through pure combat skill, or through their strategic choices in selecting their loadout

No Random Crits???

[quote] In other words, when someone beats you, it's because they played better, either through pure combat skill, or through their strategic choices in selecting their loadout[/quote]

No Random Crits???

#3

milo

41 Frags – +

brace yourselves

the spy tears are coming

brace yourselves

the spy tears are coming

#4

mathsad

28 Frags – +

However, now any damage the Spy takes after his "death" will decrease the maximum length of time he can spend cloaked

HOLY SHIT YES

[quote]However, now any damage the Spy takes after his "death" will decrease the maximum length of time he can spend cloaked[/quote]
HOLY SHIT YES

#5

prestige

21 Frags – +

finally, probably HL lobby with this update? better be gunslinger nerf also....the dead ringer change is brilliant. always enjoyed trying to find obvious dead ringer spies after they dead ring and shoot where i think they are. now, spies will have to dodge that shit and it will actually be worth it in some cases and not just some dumb thing.

#6

miwo

19 Frags – +

Let's look at another example with the opposite problem: The Dead Ringer. At roughly 80%, the equip rate for the Dead Ringer is staggeringly high. Given the many other items available in this category, this means that players feel they don't have any other viable option but choosing the Dead Ringer. We've gotten emails from players who describe the item as frustrating to fight against, requiring too little skill from the Spies and too much from their opponents.

pubs just got 20% less annoying

[quote]Let's look at another example with the opposite problem: The Dead Ringer. At roughly 80%, the equip rate for the Dead Ringer is staggeringly high. Given the many other items available in this category, this means that players feel they don't have any other viable option but choosing the Dead Ringer. We've gotten emails from players who describe the item as frustrating to fight against, requiring too little skill from the Spies and too much from their opponents.[/quote]
pubs just got 20% less annoying

#7

Lemon

23 Frags – +

milobrace yourselves

the spy tears are coming

they're already here
http://teamfortress.tv/streams/view/stabbystabby

[quote=milo]brace yourselves

the spy tears are coming[/quote]
they're already here
http://teamfortress.tv/streams/view/stabbystabby

#8

Mangachu

21 Frags – +

gunslinger nerf
valve please

#9

Alleal

7 Frags – +

its beautiful. i cant wait

#10

Khaki

-69 Frags – +

sky_ In other words, when someone beats you, it's because they played better, either through pure combat skill, or through their strategic choices in selecting their loadout
No Random Crits???

the niggers at valve are too busy diving into their proverbial pools of gold coins to balance tf2 correctly

[quote=sky_][quote] In other words, when someone beats you, it's because they played better, either through pure combat skill, or through their strategic choices in selecting their loadout[/quote]

No Random Crits???[/quote]
the niggers at valve are too busy diving into their proverbial pools of gold coins to balance tf2 correctly

#11

mathsad

12 Frags – +

sky_ In other words, when someone beats you, it's because they played better, either through pure combat skill, or through their strategic choices in selecting their loadout
No Random Crits???

in order to do this they would need to rebalance some of the weapons that the only downside is "no random critical hits"
not difficult to do though

but yeah it's time to take the rng system out of tf2, random crits are fucking stupid and have no place being in this game.

[quote=sky_][quote] In other words, when someone beats you, it's because they played better, either through pure combat skill, or through their strategic choices in selecting their loadout[/quote]

No Random Crits???[/quote]
in order to do this they would need to rebalance some of the weapons that the only downside is "no random critical hits"
not difficult to do though

but yeah it's time to take the rng system out of tf2, random crits are fucking stupid and have no place being in this game.

#12

wpminnows

21 Frags – +

http://i.imgur.com/W1JlZn0.gif

this update is everything i've ever wanted, just hoping gunslinger is in the patchnotes

even the batallion's backup change isn't something i'd consider urgent but it's the exact change i wanted it to have

[img]http://i.imgur.com/W1JlZn0.gif[/img]

this update is everything i've ever wanted, just hoping gunslinger is in the patchnotes

even the batallion's backup change isn't something i'd consider urgent but it's the exact change i wanted it to have

#13

Prower

-8 Frags – +

I'm fine with the DR nerf, but it would be nice if they made feigning more believable. As it stands, I know when its a Spy feigning because there isn't a hitsound indication, and its pretty easy to track a spy after they've feigned since they are so limited how far they can go as it is.

#14

Pea

-13 Frags – +

not a single mention of anything from the engie
i'm in

edit: i'm serious =]

not a single mention of anything from the engie
i'm in

edit: i'm serious =]

#15

Shroomsy

18 Frags – +

We'll be tweaking the stats on dozens of weapons in this next update—dozens of weaponsdozens

This is a pretty huge amount of weapons to change at once. Hopefully Valve makes more good tweaks than bad tweaks, because there's bound to be some of each

[quote]We'll be tweaking the stats on dozens of weapons in this next update—[/quote]
[quote]dozens of weapons[/quote]
[quote][i][b]dozens[/b][/i][/quote]

This is a pretty huge amount of weapons to change at once. Hopefully Valve makes more good tweaks than bad tweaks, because there's bound to be some of each

#16

Khaki

12 Frags – +

Team Fortress Challenge ProMode

#17

Sideshow

59 Frags – +

God please don't fuck up the stock weapons.

#18

Radman

-39 Frags – +

As long as theyre balancing broken weapons, they should probably take a look at the sticky launcher.

#19

Hunt

12 Frags – +

plz fix pyro unlocks make the class harder

#20

Niko_Jims

24 Frags – +

However, now any damage the Spy takes after his "death" will decrease the maximum length of time he can spend cloaked. This gives any players chasing the Spy more of an opportunity to catch up and deal a real finishing blow, while also requiring more skill from any Spy trying to make his way to actual safety.

GET FUCKED SPIES, YOUR CRUTCH IS DEAD, GG NO RE

I wouldn't doubt that Health regen on Mini's will be gone, too. Thank God they finally decided to fix these weapons.

also lol more Soldier buffs

[quote]However, now any damage the Spy takes after his "death" will decrease the maximum length of time he can spend cloaked. This gives any players chasing the Spy more of an opportunity to catch up and deal a real finishing blow, while also requiring more skill from any Spy trying to make his way to actual safety.[/quote]

GET FUCKED SPIES, YOUR CRUTCH IS DEAD, GG NO RE

I wouldn't doubt that Health regen on Mini's will be gone, too. Thank God they finally decided to fix these weapons.

also lol more Soldier buffs

#21

kaiserReg

8 Frags – +

Battalion's Backup will finally be just as good as Gunboats.

I do hope they revamp/rebalance the Scottish Resistance, I really want to see it used more often then the 2-3 times in pubs.

Battalion's Backup will finally be just as good as Gunboats.

I do hope they revamp/rebalance the Scottish Resistance, I really want to see it used more often then the 2-3 times in pubs.

#22

DrPloxo

2 Frags – +

kaiserRegBattalion's Backup will finally be just as good as Gunboats.

It was already amazing in competitive.
Don't know why you'd ever want a BUFFED battalions while pushing badwater last.

[quote=kaiserReg]Battalion's Backup will finally be just as good as Gunboats.
[/quote]
It was already amazing in competitive.
Don't know why you'd ever want a BUFFED battalions while pushing badwater last.

#23

triplemint

7 Frags – +

battalions backup will never be as good as gunboats in 6v6, it's just too situational

its already good in HL

shit ninjad

battalions backup will never be as good as gunboats in 6v6, it's just too situational

its already good in HL

shit ninjad

#24

the301stspartan

-10 Frags – +

But gunboats are situational too.

#25

Alleal

23 Frags – +

holy hell i hope valve doesnt listen to spuf. they want to put Scout's +25 health on mad milk, because they think the shortstop is already OP.

holy hell i hope valve doesnt listen to spuf. they want to put Scout's +25 health on [i]mad milk[/i], because they think the shortstop is already OP.

#26

alec_

11 Frags – +

make gunslinger able to be 1 shot by regular rockets and shoot slower and have a smaller range and it'll be fair

#27

DrPloxo

5 Frags – +

triplemintbattalions backup will never be as good as gunboats in 6v6, it's just too situational

its already good in HL

shit ninjad

It was used for a while, I'm sure cbear could regale you with tales of it's OP nature.

[quote=triplemint]battalions backup will never be as good as gunboats in 6v6, it's just too situational

its already good in HL

shit ninjad[/quote]
It was used for a while, I'm sure cbear could regale you with tales of it's OP nature.

#28

kaiserReg

0 Frags – +

DrPloxokaiserRegBattalion's Backup will finally be just as good as Gunboats.It was already amazing in competitive.
Don't know why you'd ever want a BUFFED battalions while pushing badwater last.

Really now? I've had my Soldier use it a few times on Viaduct but that's the only time I've ever seen it used.

Are we talking about higher level play here? Even then I haven't seen it used.

[quote=DrPloxo][quote=kaiserReg]Battalion's Backup will finally be just as good as Gunboats.
[/quote]
It was already amazing in competitive.
Don't know why you'd ever want a BUFFED battalions while pushing badwater last.[/quote]
Really now? I've had my Soldier use it a few times on Viaduct but that's the only time I've ever seen it used.

Are we talking about higher level play here? Even then I haven't seen it used.

#29

yuki

6 Frags – +

Batallions backup was pretty fucking broken on viaduct iirc. That reduced damage was absurd, AND you couldn't get crit or something?

Oh well. At least they're doing stuff. RIP dead ringer

Batallions backup was pretty fucking broken on viaduct iirc. That reduced damage was absurd, AND you couldn't get crit or something?

Oh well. At least they're doing stuff. RIP dead ringer

#30

trog

7 Frags – +

Allealholy hell i hope valve doesnt listen to spuf. they want to put Scout's +25 health on mad milk, because they think the shortstop is already OP.

If it's not on mad milk you could stack it with the pistol that gives you extra health

They should probably just scrap the extra health thing altogether though

[quote=Alleal]holy hell i hope valve doesnt listen to spuf. they want to put Scout's +25 health on [i]mad milk[/i], because they think the shortstop is already OP.[/quote]
If it's not on mad milk you could stack it with the pistol that gives you extra health

They should probably just scrap the extra health thing altogether though