I think the pyromania update buffed all the flamethrowers damage by like 10 or 20%. Not exactly sure why they did that.
not just map tweaks, weapons too
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I think the pyromania update buffed all the flamethrowers damage by like 10 or 20%. Not exactly sure why they did that.
RadmanJust one demoman does a ton of work though. He may be balanced in 6s, but demoman is almost medic teir in HL. And in pubs, hes the one sure-fire way to make sure your team wins, other than medic ofc.
i was on an badwater upward pub earlier playing scout
with 30 seconds left to cap point 2 I switched to demo, and went 31-1, with my 1 death being when I pushed the cart over the edge of the last point
edit: corrected map
[quote=Radman]Just one demoman does a ton of work though. He may be balanced in 6s, but demoman is almost medic teir in HL. And in pubs, hes the one sure-fire way to make sure your team wins, other than medic ofc.[/quote]
i was on an [s]badwater[/s] upward pub earlier playing scout
with 30 seconds left to cap point 2 I switched to demo, and went 31-1, with my 1 death being when I pushed the cart over the edge of the last point
edit: corrected map
i was on an [s]badwater[/s] upward pub earlier playing scout
with 30 seconds left to cap point 2 I switched to demo, and went 31-1, with my 1 death being when I pushed the cart over the edge of the last point
edit: corrected map
BenroadsI think the pyromania update buffed all the flamethrowers damage by like 10 or 20%. Not exactly sure why they did that.
To try and make them as viable as the Degreaser, I believe. Backburner got +10% removed from it, Degreaser got a -10% added to it, but then all flamethrowers got a 10% buff.
[quote=Benroads]I think the pyromania update buffed all the flamethrowers damage by like 10 or 20%. Not exactly sure why they did that.[/quote]
To try and make them as viable as the Degreaser, I believe. Backburner got +10% removed from it, Degreaser got a -10% added to it, but then all flamethrowers got a 10% buff.
To try and make them as viable as the Degreaser, I believe. Backburner got +10% removed from it, Degreaser got a -10% added to it, but then all flamethrowers got a 10% buff.
TechnobladeI'm worried
last huge balancing of a weapon I remember is the equalizer
;_;
pls be careful valve
Arguably, the old equalizer did need rebalancing though.
That said, stay away from the Escape plan. It is fine as-is.
[quote=Technoblade]I'm worried
last huge balancing of a weapon I remember is the equalizer
;_;
pls be careful valve[/quote]
Arguably, the old equalizer did need rebalancing though.
That said, stay away from the Escape plan. It is fine as-is.
last huge balancing of a weapon I remember is the equalizer
;_;
pls be careful valve[/quote]
Arguably, the old equalizer did need rebalancing though.
That said, stay away from the Escape plan. It is fine as-is.
I hope they don't nerf demoman because he's so powerful. Asymmetrical class balance makes an interesting dynamic in competitive play.
That said, if you don't think demoman absurdly overpowered in 12v12 pub play then you are horribly mistaken, especially considering the types of maps that are common in pub play.
I hope they don't nerf demoman [i]because[/i] he's so powerful. Asymmetrical class balance makes an interesting dynamic in competitive play.
That said, if you don't think demoman absurdly overpowered in 12v12 pub play then you are horribly mistaken, especially considering the types of maps that are common in pub play.
That said, if you don't think demoman absurdly overpowered in 12v12 pub play then you are horribly mistaken, especially considering the types of maps that are common in pub play.
If you are balancing the game around public play then you are already fucking up.
Full stop.
If you are balancing the game around public play then you are already fucking up.
Full stop.
Full stop.
narfI hope they don't nerf demoman because he's so powerful. Asymmetrical class balance makes an interesting dynamic in competitive play.
That said, if you don't think demoman absurdly overpowered in 12v12 pub play then you are horribly mistaken, especially considering the types of maps that are common in pub play.
Certain classes,weapons,characters,and maps will always be more popular and just outright better than others. Valve is more concerned about variety in that they don't want every player using just this one class or everyone who uses a class to be forced into one weapon. It doesn't matter what class is really OP in a 12v12 pub because t people will play the class they enjoy regardless of if its OP or not they play pubs for fun, and in HL you are forced to have 1 of each class so its less of a deal since your team has the same "OP" class as your opponent does.
The point of that really long paragraph is basically Valve wants to make it so the players have choices more than about pure class/weapon balance. That's the way I'm seeing it at least.
[quote=narf]I hope they don't nerf demoman [i]because[/i] he's so powerful. Asymmetrical class balance makes an interesting dynamic in competitive play.
That said, if you don't think demoman absurdly overpowered in 12v12 pub play then you are horribly mistaken, especially considering the types of maps that are common in pub play.[/quote]
Certain classes,weapons,characters,and maps will always be more popular and just outright better than others. Valve is more concerned about variety in that they don't want every player using just this one class or everyone who uses a class to be forced into one weapon. It doesn't matter what class is really OP in a 12v12 pub because t people will play the class they enjoy regardless of if its OP or not they play pubs for fun, and in HL you are forced to have 1 of each class so its less of a deal since your team has the same "OP" class as your opponent does.
The point of that really long paragraph is basically Valve wants to make it so the players have choices more than about pure class/weapon balance. That's the way I'm seeing it at least.
That said, if you don't think demoman absurdly overpowered in 12v12 pub play then you are horribly mistaken, especially considering the types of maps that are common in pub play.[/quote]
Certain classes,weapons,characters,and maps will always be more popular and just outright better than others. Valve is more concerned about variety in that they don't want every player using just this one class or everyone who uses a class to be forced into one weapon. It doesn't matter what class is really OP in a 12v12 pub because t people will play the class they enjoy regardless of if its OP or not they play pubs for fun, and in HL you are forced to have 1 of each class so its less of a deal since your team has the same "OP" class as your opponent does.
The point of that really long paragraph is basically Valve wants to make it so the players have choices more than about pure class/weapon balance. That's the way I'm seeing it at least.
I found this video pretty interesting, not sure how much would apply to comp TF2 but since we're talking about "balance" I thought it'd be fitting.
http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w?t=25s
It eventually goes off to discuss league of legends balance but after that(5:25) he touches back on balance in video games.
I found this video pretty interesting, not sure how much would apply to comp TF2 but since we're talking about "balance" I thought it'd be fitting.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w?t=25s[/youtube]
It eventually goes off to discuss league of legends balance but after that(5:25) he touches back on balance in video games.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w?t=25s[/youtube]
It eventually goes off to discuss league of legends balance but after that(5:25) he touches back on balance in video games.
I'd trust oov about weapon balance.
He got the piss rifle banned.
The piss rifle.
I'd trust oov about weapon balance.
He got the piss rifle banned.
The piss rifle.
He got the piss rifle banned.
The piss rifle.
DrPloxoI'd trust oov about weapon balance.
He got the piss rifle banned.
The piss rifle.
that thing is sick on viaduct
[quote=DrPloxo]I'd trust oov about weapon balance.
He got the piss rifle banned.
The piss rifle.[/quote]
that thing is sick on viaduct
He got the piss rifle banned.
The piss rifle.[/quote]
that thing is sick on viaduct
That video is nice and informative. It should utilize a not obnoxious voice.
That video is nice and informative. It should utilize a not obnoxious voice.
BenroadsI think the pyromania update buffed all the flamethrowers damage by like 10 or 20%. Not exactly sure why they did that.
The only thing they did was buff the stock flamethrower damage by 10%, the descriptions and attributes were changed on the other flamethrowers to reflect that, but their actual stats and damage values were untouched.
[quote=Benroads]I think the pyromania update buffed all the flamethrowers damage by like 10 or 20%. Not exactly sure why they did that.[/quote]
The only thing they did was buff the stock flamethrower damage by 10%, the descriptions and attributes were changed on the other flamethrowers to reflect that, but their actual stats and damage values were untouched.
The only thing they did was buff the stock flamethrower damage by 10%, the descriptions and attributes were changed on the other flamethrowers to reflect that, but their actual stats and damage values were untouched.
MY WISHLIST:
- 100 damage grenade directs
- BRING BACK THE OVERHEALER. I HATE THE QUICK-FIX.
MY WISHLIST:
- 100 damage grenade directs
- BRING BACK THE OVERHEALER. I HATE THE QUICK-FIX.
- 100 damage grenade directs
- BRING BACK THE OVERHEALER. I HATE THE QUICK-FIX.
It's been a very long time since I've been interested in a TF2 update.
It's been a very long time since I've been interested in a TF2 update.
I'm hearing talk of Sydney tweaks.
All
fucking
in.
c:
I'm hearing talk of Sydney tweaks.
All
fucking
in.
c:
All
fucking
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potget rid of fucking random damage spread
Why the fuck did they put it in in the first place? Makes zero sense
[quote=pot]get rid of fucking random damage spread[/quote]Why the fuck did they put it in in the first place? Makes zero sense
boonI found this video pretty interesting, not sure how much would apply to comp TF2 but since we're talking about "balance" I thought it'd be fitting.
http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w?t=25s
It eventually goes off to discuss league of legends balance but after that(5:25) he touches back on balance in video games.
Thanks, thoroughly enjoyed that video, agree with everything
[quote=boon]I found this video pretty interesting, not sure how much would apply to comp TF2 but since we're talking about "balance" I thought it'd be fitting.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w?t=25s[/youtube]
It eventually goes off to discuss league of legends balance but after that(5:25) he touches back on balance in video games.[/quote]
Thanks, thoroughly enjoyed that video, agree with everything
[youtube]http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w?t=25s[/youtube]
It eventually goes off to discuss league of legends balance but after that(5:25) he touches back on balance in video games.[/quote]
Thanks, thoroughly enjoyed that video, agree with everything
potget rid of fucking random damage spread
Honestly, this has always been something that makes me very curious. Can anyone give some insight as to why damage spread exists? Is it at all reasonable to expect that someday valve would remove damage spread?
[quote=pot]get rid of fucking random damage spread[/quote]
Honestly, this has always been something that makes me very curious. Can anyone give some insight as to why damage spread exists? Is it at all reasonable to expect that someday valve would remove damage spread?
Honestly, this has always been something that makes me very curious. Can anyone give some insight as to why damage spread exists? Is it at all reasonable to expect that someday valve would remove damage spread?
to make damage breakpoints inconsistent
which is kinda gay imo
to make damage breakpoints inconsistent
which is kinda gay imo
which is kinda gay imo
if they take a way the attendant-powerjack speed boost I'm gonna cry
if they take a way the attendant-powerjack speed boost I'm gonna cry
narf
That said, if you don't think demoman absurdly overpowered in 12v12 pub play then you are horribly mistaken, especially considering the types of maps that are common in pub play.
That is as much of a product of the maps as it is the class. I mean, what can you do to the demo to nerf him on a map like dustbowl? You can't, it's as if dustbowl was created for a spam class that can lock off a chokepoint.
[quote=narf]
That said, if you don't think demoman absurdly overpowered in 12v12 pub play then you are horribly mistaken, especially considering the types of maps that are common in pub play.[/quote]
That is as much of a product of the maps as it is the class. I mean, what can you do to the demo to nerf him on a map like dustbowl? You can't, it's as if dustbowl was created for a spam class that can lock off a chokepoint.
That said, if you don't think demoman absurdly overpowered in 12v12 pub play then you are horribly mistaken, especially considering the types of maps that are common in pub play.[/quote]
That is as much of a product of the maps as it is the class. I mean, what can you do to the demo to nerf him on a map like dustbowl? You can't, it's as if dustbowl was created for a spam class that can lock off a chokepoint.
I'm most curious about potential tweaks to the quick-fix and vaccinator. It seems like Valve's litmus test for balancing is whether an item is infrequently equipped, and this definitely applies to both of those items. And tweaks to heal-y guns can have really big impacts on games.
I'm most curious about potential tweaks to the quick-fix and vaccinator. It seems like Valve's litmus test for balancing is whether an item is infrequently equipped, and this definitely applies to both of those items. And tweaks to heal-y guns can have really big impacts on games.
wareyato make damage breakpoints inconsistent
which is kinda gay imo
Man, back when I was a pubstar spy main I'd be like "I can afford to take a melee to get a stab on this other person" but then bam, 71 damage noncrit melee. :c
It also makes melee battles a roll of the dice. One person can hit the other four times and not get a kill while the other hits three and gets a kill >_<
[quote=wareya]to make damage breakpoints inconsistent
which is kinda gay imo[/quote]
Man, back when I was a pubstar spy main I'd be like "I can afford to take a melee to get a stab on this other person" but then bam, 71 damage noncrit melee. :c
It also makes melee battles a roll of the dice. One person can hit the other four times and not get a kill while the other hits three and gets a kill >_<
which is kinda gay imo[/quote]
Man, back when I was a pubstar spy main I'd be like "I can afford to take a melee to get a stab on this other person" but then bam, 71 damage noncrit melee. :c
It also makes melee battles a roll of the dice. One person can hit the other four times and not get a kill while the other hits three and gets a kill >_<
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