2 engis has been banned in 6s for precisely that reason

if you truly believe that the two leagues coming together is a good idea, why did you block the efforts to make it so the top 8 ugc 6s teams would get free premium/league fees for the following season of esea

Using the same rule set and map pool is certainly a strong step forward towards cooperation made by UGC. I don't see you giving any credit for that, only focusing on negatives as usual.

None of the ESEA admins ever spoke to Forn or I about this plan specifically. Someone talked to our 6s admin but I never heard any concrete plans from ESEA admins.
Secondly, how does that benefit UGC? Seems to me it only funnels teams away from UGC to ESEA. I am fine cooperating, but cooperation is a two way street. If any of the ESEA admins would like to discuss this idea in more detail they are free to add me or forn.

you roster ride on an im team and yet don't know that you can only have 1 engie

ok

I think you have proven my post 100% right, thank you for responding to my expections.

Also I challenge you to find a post on ETF2L forums from the time I was an admin where I was "rude or arrogant" to a member of the community. I act with a manner of respect towards my community members, do you know what I do as a career? It is customer service focused and I take that into being an admin, you however are one of the most confrontational admins I have ever seen. You make emb seem like a pussycat.

As for UGC forums, I was only following the great example set by UGC admins, specifically you and hein. It goes two ways you know, you encouraged people to not treat eachother with respect.

The thing is we don't want a shit competitive format. We want a format that is fun to play and watch, is balanced, and is actually skill based. It is impossible to have this in TF2 without alienating a fair amount of pubbers, unfortunately.

hai guise I dont rep ugc but unless you talk to me or my buttbuddy ur not talkin to ugc. thx
-inf

And if I remember correctly it wasn't banned. So the same could be said for the wrangler.

The equalizer (now escape plan) is a vital part of NA 6s meta because it allows for MORE AGGRESSIVE and FASTER midfights.

The wrangler is "vital" because it does the exact opposite and lets bad players force the other team to either be lucky or significantly better than them to have a reasonably swift match.

1. you can't possibly, after being an admin for so long, get angry when people "only focus on the negatives".

2. most of the positive contributions made by ugc 6s were done by marxist, because he was the one who spearheaded the drive to make ugc 6s the "training camp", so to speak, for the higher echelons of the esea divisions. and you know what? this effort has been hugely successful- rather than being a mess of various skill levels in a joke league, many teams that want to improve but don't feel good enough for esea and don't want to pay the money have a place.

3. I don't see how you can trumpet all the positive steps taken by your ugc 6s admin and then not give him enough autonomy for a modest plan that does not hurt your league. it just proves that you're an egomaniac.

4. you are thinking really short term and narrowly if you believe that this plan doesn't eventually benefit ugc. if too many good teams get stuck in ugc because they just don't feel like they can commit to paying for esea, or they don't have a sponsor like even better teams do, this provides them a way to keep the divisions balanced and for turnover to begin, so the ugc 6s league retains its reputation as a good league for beginning to low/mid teams. and no, it's not a viable option to try to make a ugc 6s league be a true rival to esea, including a skilled top division. no league since esea has ever successfully competed in terms of invite and im teams flocking to them, and none in na will while it exists. the prestige and professionalism of esea is too great.

5. even if the plan didn't help ugc, it could only be seen as hurting it if one is openly hostile towards esea, which you are to a fault. 8 teams in the grand scheme of things is tiny.

tl;dr you dumb girl

Is this the same hugh laurie from bonus points? I wouldnt expect this from you if so. My work schedule doesn't currently allow me to play as much as they are wanting and link is the leader as well as Medic. So....naturally I don't play. How long ago was the 2 eng banned? Backup is now roster riding I guess.

not only are 9 people paid but your not one of them

i'd say that's riding

That's also a slightly different beast, sadly. If all classes had a way to expedite rollouts then it would make sense to allow that (of course, sixes are different.) But yes, it is vital for a different reason, one that allows for a more entertaining game and overall quicker play.
The wrangler has become vital because it lets teams pick awful sentry positions that are harder to defend without the cost of easier disposal. While it is true that teams still roll through them, it takes away from the rest of the game most of the time. The action BECOMES taking out the sentry. And that is the most boring thing i can imagine.

For starters: you're

I don't see why you give two fucks. I was paid on last season and played in the playoffs. I haven't been needed this season. You seem upset for some reason.

Also....I wasn't putting a time frame on my question. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought there were 2 engy plays at i46. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong on that?

So....thanks hugh

in the euro ruleset the engie limit is 2

over here it's 1

That's just what I was aiming at and hugh jumped on me like esea was the only 6's....kinda like some think UGC is the only HL league.

It is my fault for not being very connected with the team. I got brought over from last season. Maybe when we play your team (if you're in im) i'll pay on and then you can stop being so mad at something that may or may not have happened in HL to make you so upset. :(

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thx enigma. I remember a few seasons back seeing 2 engy's running mini sentry and thinking it was pretty tough.

Nobody is taking anything you say personally. You're just a unintelligent, arrogant kid who someone thought would make a good admin. They were wrong.

2 engies is very very rare in ETF2L, and is mainly only a second engie to help the first get built up then changing back to scout/pyro/whatever on a last defence against kritz. Thankfully gunslinger is banned.

We don't run our league as a "training camp" for other leagues. UGC is it's own league that has been around for many years. There are things we do better than other leagues and then there are things other leagues do better than us. Its up for teams to choose which league works better for them. A prize pot consisting of a "free pass" to leave UGC and move on to another league does not work for us. We are always open to other ideas though but last I checked you do not represent ESEA so why am I even defending our decisions to you? =D

Marxist has done a great job with 6v6 and we are happy to have him. All major decisions about HL and 6v6 are made by the admin team, including accepting ESEA ruleset. He brought forth the proposal and we all agreed upon it as a team. Your damn right I can trumpet that as an "olive branch" so to speak showing that we would like to cooperate with ESEA.

ESEA is a great league, I have no problems with it. My only issues are with the 6v6 format itself and the rules + decisions made by the "elite" players over the years on weapon bans and items and the impact this has had on competitive TF2. Don't try to blow things out of proportion and make this UGC vs ESEA cause it's not.

Thanks for the personal insult, now I will again start ignoring you because no matter what I say you will write paragraphs of opinions and call it "logic" and then personally insult me.

wow rude

i wasnt going to get into this topic, but now you've said this. how can you be against the top players, who actively play the game which often times is for physical cash, being the ones who decide what should be allowed? they have the most developed and experienced understanding of it

elite players are elite because they're good at the game

why would you hate it that the best players decide how it's played

I mean it's better than someone who's bad & doesn't know shit (like you lol)

what did i miss

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A DLman Ask Me Anything.

is this infinite guy really a admin, what a joke.

not having a bunch of steel highlander superstars makes discussion actually bearable. inf is just used to being able to tell people to fuck off and leave it at that on the ugc forums because he's an admin. it doesn't matter what anyone says because people have been presenting logical and straightforward arguments to all of their admins for at least 3 seasons and they repeatedly prove that it's not about player input, even at the highest levels. it's about what the admins want/think is right, and some of them are so out of touch with how the game actually works that their opinions are completely wrong.

Well admittedly your league is sort of an entry level league (in 6's, at least, not sure if there is any other choice for competitive pubbing). Most of the players that I see come out of UGC can't play on par with mid to high Open in ESEA (which I don't feel is an unreasonable benchmark), so I stopped trying out people who came out of UGC opting only for players who had ESEA experience.

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armchair admins tickle my jollies :)

Thank god we have you, oh wait.