Can heavy be banned yet?

#1

Tgran_

-26 Frags – +

so ya.....this is pretty boring. 0-0 gully?

#2

Rekuso

34 Frags – +

i dont think heavy is the problem

#3

redc

-15 Frags – +

im entertained

#4

CondescendingCandlestick

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Rekusoi dont think heavy is the problem

Either we ban quick fix or we ban heavy. Pick your poison.

[quote=Rekuso]i dont think heavy is the problem[/quote]
Either we ban quick fix or we ban heavy. Pick your poison.

#5

flippers

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CondescendingCandlestickRekusoi dont think heavy is the problemEither we ban quick fix or we ban heavy. Pick your poison.

banning qf will take care of heavy.

[quote=CondescendingCandlestick][quote=Rekuso]i dont think heavy is the problem[/quote]
Either we ban quick fix or we ban heavy. Pick your poison.[/quote]

banning qf will take care of heavy.

#6

Tgran_

-4 Frags – +

If heavy wasn't in this game it would be a entirely different situation with QF or not.

#7

Benroads

-6 Frags – +

Would esea even consider banning an entire class?

#8

LKincheloe

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Banning either or will take care of 6s TF2, by killing it needlessly.

Nobody has a proper solution to countering QF as of yet, so it's a natural reaction to turtle up and slow the pace down.

Banning either or will take care of 6s TF2, by killing it needlessly.

Nobody has a proper solution to countering QF as of yet, so it's a natural reaction to turtle up and slow the pace down.

#9

flatline

2 Frags – +

wait for the meta to be fleshed out, quick fix isn't perfect there's always a counter (kritz) or something else that could possibly work (spy/sniper)

#10

Tgran_

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I think the QF is fine... I like it and it makes the game very interesting... unless there is a heavy. That is what I am looking at anyways.

I just think that if you look at the classes.. to kill a quick fix uber multiple classes have to focus them. Heavy does not, so it ultimately makes a QF advantage against a heavy useless.

I think the QF is fine... I like it and it makes the game very interesting... unless there is a heavy. That is what I am looking at anyways.

I just think that if you look at the classes.. to kill a quick fix uber multiple classes have to focus them. Heavy does not, so it ultimately makes a QF advantage against a heavy useless.

#11

flatline

0 Frags – +

rong thred

#12

kirby

9 Frags – +

Can someone explain to me why Kritz isn't being used more?

#13

SAJewers

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Tgran_I think the QF is fine... I like it and it makes the game very interesting... unless there is a heavy. That is what I am looking at anyways.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that the best to play with QF is to play the exact opposite of how 6s TF2 is played right now.

EDIT: After that last play, it seems more variance and strategy is required as well. Wether or not that's good or bad, it's hard to say.

[quote=Tgran_]I think the QF is fine... I like it and it makes the game very interesting... unless there is a heavy. That is what I am looking at anyways.[/quote]
Maybe it's just me, but it seems that the best to play with QF is to play the exact opposite of how 6s TF2 is played right now.

EDIT: After that last play, it seems more variance and strategy is required as well. Wether or not that's good or bad, it's hard to say.

#14

CondescendingCandlestick

26 Frags – +

The concheror is clearly the solution

#15

Tgran_

-14 Frags – +

lol -frag me all you want, you all know this is game is silly. However when they aren't running heavy... oh look, it got interesting.

#16

Dagger

cp_granary_pro

6 Frags – +

nice post. very informative.

#17

milehighmilitia

21 Frags – +

havent you heard, slin has deduced that the problem is the quickfix in front of 3000 players who presumably accept everything he is saying about it. So ban quickfix.

#18

Derpus

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ban nothing k

#19

Tgran_

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kapoww- It's fun when there are no heavies involved, needs reworking though so you have handicapped capping power or something. It's basically a direct upgrade from uber right now. Playing sniper is always fun ^^

-Lan players agree, now cut me a break?

kapoww- It's fun when there are no heavies involved, needs reworking though so you have handicapped capping power or something. It's basically a direct upgrade from uber right now. Playing sniper is always fun ^^

-Lan players agree, now cut me a break?

#20

Hellbent

Momentum Mod

-5 Frags – +

banning an entire class will probably make valve have absolutely no involvement instead of banning weapons and they occasionally post on their facebook about shit like the i46 documentary

#21

CondescendingCandlestick

5 Frags – +

Hellbentbanning an entire class will probably make valve have absolutely no involvement instead of banning weapons and they occasionally post on their facebook about shit like the i46 documentary

Oh no, our father who has barely ever supported us dislikes the choice that is best for our game. Not saying banning heavy is right, but we should do what's best for our game.

[quote=Hellbent]banning an entire class will probably make valve have absolutely no involvement instead of banning weapons and they occasionally post on their facebook about shit like the i46 documentary[/quote]
Oh no, our father who has barely ever supported us dislikes the choice that is best for our game. Not saying banning heavy is right, but we should do what's best for our game.

#22

Tgran_

-11 Frags – +

Well what if they made a rule like, you can run Heavy or QF but not both?

#23

Derpus

6 Frags – +

what if you countered the heavy or quick fix

#24

Ringo__Starr

-4 Frags – +

maybe we should ban being a faggot instead

#25

Marxist

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Heavy exists because it would be exceedingly difficult to hold last after wiping at mid, which in turn, would make mids a lot more slow developing because nobody would want to lose last via losing their med.

The game was perfectly fine prior to qf.

Let's pretend for a moment that there was no qf involved, a 2-2 tie into a third round would have been tremendously exciting. Not so in this case. It's worse than watching dota.

Likewise, banning heavy won't accomplish anything because Pyro has an incredibly similar effect on the qf - it's just slightly harder to use so teams aren't doing it on the fly.

Heavy exists because it would be exceedingly difficult to hold last after wiping at mid, which in turn, would make mids a lot more slow developing because nobody would want to lose last via losing their med.

The game was perfectly fine prior to qf.

Let's pretend for a moment that there was no qf involved, a 2-2 tie into a third round would have been tremendously exciting. Not so in this case. It's worse than watching dota.

Likewise, banning heavy won't accomplish anything because Pyro has an incredibly similar effect on the qf - it's just slightly harder to use so teams aren't doing it on the fly.

#26

Hellbent

Momentum Mod

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CondescendingCandlestickHellbentbanning an entire class will probably make valve have absolutely no involvement instead of banning weapons and they occasionally post on their facebook about shit like the i46 documentaryOh no, our father who has barely ever supported us dislikes the choice that is best for our game. Not saying banning heavy is right, but we should do what's best for our game.

If we want valve to recognize 6s at all banning a class is going to crush that.
If you want this to end it's either heavy or quickfix to be banned. The game was perfectly fine before so?

[quote=CondescendingCandlestick][quote=Hellbent]banning an entire class will probably make valve have absolutely no involvement instead of banning weapons and they occasionally post on their facebook about shit like the i46 documentary[/quote]
Oh no, our father who has barely ever supported us dislikes the choice that is best for our game. Not saying banning heavy is right, but we should do what's best for our game.[/quote]

If we want valve to recognize 6s at all banning a class is going to crush that.
If you want this to end it's either heavy or quickfix to be banned. The game was perfectly fine before so?

#27

anjirocool

-11 Frags – +

make heavy only allowed when holding last

#28

r4pture

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milehighmilitiahavent you heard, slin has deduced that the problem is the quickfix in front of 3000 players who presumably accept everything he is saying about it. So ban quickfix.

Fucking seriously, hearing Slin and Blank go on about how we need to ban QF is infuriating because its going to build a massive, shitty hivemind. Already did. Its not a casters place to say in front of a huge (for tf2) audience what should and should not be banned.

flatlinewait for the meta to be fleshed out, quick fix isn't perfect there's always a counter (kritz) or something else that could possibly work (spy/sniper)LKincheloeBanning either or will take care of 6s TF2, by killing it needlessly.

Nobody has a proper solution to countering QF as of yet, so it's a natural reaction to turtle up and slow the pace down.

whoa when did people on tftv start talking sense

[quote=milehighmilitia]havent you heard, slin has deduced that the problem is the quickfix in front of 3000 players who presumably accept everything he is saying about it. So ban quickfix.[/quote]

Fucking seriously, hearing Slin and Blank go on about how we need to ban QF is infuriating because its going to build a massive, shitty hivemind. Already did. Its not a casters place to say in front of a huge (for tf2) audience what should and should not be banned.

[quote=flatline]wait for the meta to be fleshed out, quick fix isn't perfect there's always a counter (kritz) or something else that could possibly work (spy/sniper)[/quote]
[quote=LKincheloe]Banning either or will take care of 6s TF2, by killing it needlessly.

Nobody has a proper solution to countering QF as of yet, so it's a natural reaction to turtle up and slow the pace down.[/quote]

whoa when did people on tftv start talking sense

#29

2sy_morphiend

12 Frags – +

Honestly I'd like to see you cast a 30 minute gullywash round and not make a comment about how this is fucking stupid

#30

pot

-3 Frags – +

Rekusoi dont think heavy is the problem

so what exactly does heavy add to tf2?

[quote=Rekuso]i dont think heavy is the problem[/quote]
so what exactly does heavy add to tf2?