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reps in congress are refusing to balance the budget because they want obamacare repealed because the only thing that matters in america is the average republican congressman's annual taxes
so alot of people arent getting paid, alot of the national parks are shutting down for however long it takes etc etc
this is like an annual thing now
read more here http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1n8saz/eli5_whats_happening_with_this_potential/
reps in congress are refusing to balance the budget because they want obamacare repealed because the only thing that matters in america is the average republican congressman's annual taxes
so alot of people arent getting paid, alot of the national parks are shutting down for however long it takes etc etc
this is like an annual thing now
read more here http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1n8saz/eli5_whats_happening_with_this_potential/
so alot of people arent getting paid, alot of the national parks are shutting down for however long it takes etc etc
this is like an annual thing now
read more here http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1n8saz/eli5_whats_happening_with_this_potential/
32hzreps in congress are refusing to balance the budget because they want obamacare repealed because the only thing that matters in america is the average republican congressman's annual taxes
so alot of people arent getting paid, alot of the national parks are shutting down for however long it takes etc etc
this is like an annual thing now
read more here http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1n8saz/eli5_whats_happening_with_this_potential/
o thx
[quote=32hz]reps in congress are refusing to balance the budget because they want obamacare repealed because the only thing that matters in america is the average republican congressman's annual taxes
so alot of people arent getting paid, alot of the national parks are shutting down for however long it takes etc etc
this is like an annual thing now
read more here http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1n8saz/eli5_whats_happening_with_this_potential/[/quote]
o thx
so alot of people arent getting paid, alot of the national parks are shutting down for however long it takes etc etc
this is like an annual thing now
read more here http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1n8saz/eli5_whats_happening_with_this_potential/[/quote]
o thx
they can take our money, as long as they don't take our maymays
they can take our money, as long as they don't take our maymays
RagorismIt's just a matter of time before the middle school anarchists catch wind of this, and think that this means they can go do illegal stuff, like litter and jaywalk.
damn I hate those youngsters
*woops wrong quote
[quote=Ragorism]It's just a matter of time before the middle school anarchists catch wind of this, and think that this means they can go do illegal stuff, like [i]litter [/i]and [i]jaywalk[/i].[/quote]
damn I hate those youngsters
*woops wrong quote
damn I hate those youngsters
*woops wrong quote
If only we had really swell dudes like Kalkin in Congress
If only we had really swell dudes like Kalkin in Congress
shrtIf only we had really swell dudes like Kalkin in Congress
#Kalkin4Congress
[quote=shrt]If only we had really swell dudes like Kalkin in Congress[/quote]
#Kalkin4Congress
#Kalkin4Congress
I dont get why its such a big deal? Like the Canadian government and parliament isnt around or doing shit for like 8 months of the year, they are on "recess" like grade school.
I dont get why its such a big deal? Like the Canadian government and parliament isnt around or doing shit for like 8 months of the year, they are on "recess" like grade school.
Tino_I dont get why its such a big deal? Like the Canadian government and parliament isnt around or doing shit for like 8 months of the year, they are on "recess" like grade school.
Because it's not Congress that's shutting down, it's a lot of side services that aren't "essential". Only found this list because I haven't googled enough, and not sure how accurate it is.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/30/absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know-about-how-the-government-shutdown-will-work/
[quote=Tino_]I dont get why its such a big deal? Like the Canadian government and parliament isnt around or doing shit for like 8 months of the year, they are on "recess" like grade school.[/quote]
Because it's not Congress that's shutting down, it's a lot of side services that aren't "essential". Only found this list because I haven't googled enough, and not sure how accurate it is.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/30/absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know-about-how-the-government-shutdown-will-work/
Because it's not Congress that's shutting down, it's a lot of side services that aren't "essential". Only found this list because I haven't googled enough, and not sure how accurate it is.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/30/absolutely-everything-you-need-to-know-about-how-the-government-shutdown-will-work/
Republicans don't want anything good to happen for Obama so democrats look bad. They need to do their jobs and stop jerking off to try to get reelected.
Republicans don't want anything good to happen for Obama so democrats look bad. They need to do their jobs and stop jerking off to try to get reelected.
I thought this was a pretty short, to the point fact list about the shut down.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/politics/government-shutdown-up-to-speed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
I thought this was a pretty short, to the point fact list about the shut down.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/politics/government-shutdown-up-to-speed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/politics/government-shutdown-up-to-speed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
pernixRepublicans don't want anything good to happen for Obama so democrats look bad. They need to do their jobs and stop jerking off to try to get reelected.
I would doubt any of you will actually be effected by Obamacare, the majority of you being covered under your parents care. It effects me, and let me tell you when it effects you, there is some serious BS surrounding it. . . not just in how confusing it is and how no one seems to really know or be able to explain how much it will really cost, it screws me over in various ways.
1) I work part-time while I look for a full-time job within my major. My part-time job is unionized. Previously, I had healthcare and coverage, it wasn't great but it was something, and it was basically free. Under the new law not only do I lose all union coverage (the company simply doesn't bargain for it with the union anymore due to the mandates passed down by Obama) I am supplemented with no coverage. This means I'll have to pay into Obamacare or pay a fine on my taxes in April...more on this in a second
2) Because Obamacare enforces anyone averaging over 30 work hours a week to be provided healthcare by their company (or that company takes a fine) the company I work for has stopped hiring full time workers. It has even laid off full-time workers (I work for a super-market, those full-timers are "lifers," they live a low standard of life and they have no other skill). It now hires 2 part-timers for every 1 full-time job, and no part-timer is allowed to work over 24 hrs a week to ensure they never average out to 30. Not only does this make the job itself more difficult, it brings the part-time workers (who are mostly also "lifers" and use the job to supplement their income) down to a level where they no longer bring in a week what they used to. And since they are part-time, they no longer have healthcare provided.
3) Under Obamacare these people, making substantially less, will need to pay for health-insurance. Myself, very burdened by student loan costs on-top of a lower income will be forced to buy Healthcare.
4) Obamacare is not free healthcare, people, it is universal healthcare, or a tax. Why is it a tax?
5) After doing lots of research on the web the lowest value I can find for a year of healthcare costs would be 300 dollars. I am not sure how reliable that number is, but I'll use it. This gets me (if I've read through all the convolution correctly) at most the "bronze plan" which is pretty poor and slightly better than the free care I was getting with my union. I could pay that a year (which isn't so bad for me since I don't own house, and have few expenses other than student loans) or I could pay the fine on my taxes.
The fine is 90 bucks.
I get sick once a year. Was sick last week. I had strep-throat. I went to the doctor and bought an anti-biotic out of pocket. It cost me $125 for everything in the end. With the bronze plan, I save maybe half that, but still need to pay for the bronze plan. Tell me, will I be buying Obamacare or paying the tax-fine?
The problem is Obamacare needs young people like myself who are generally not taking much out of the system to be paying into the system. The young need to offset the cost of the old, but the price of the fine is much less, and many young people simply do not have the money.
For me, it's a few extra bucks, but for lots of people, who stuck in dead-end jobs (the people I see almost every-day) they are being hurt by this. Their company is giving less. Providing less hours and no longer offering a plan for part-time workers. The union (which lobbied laughably hard for Obama during the election) is in panic, the employees who voted for Obama also in panic, wondering why they did so.
Now you could say "but it isn't Obama's fault, it is the dumb company for being mean" Sure. But anyone with sense knew this would happen. Businesses are there to make money. You can legislate a business and they'll just find a way to make their money. If I raise the taxes on a company, they raise their prices. They lose little money, but the consumer is hurt. If I tell a company they must provide healthcare for full-time workers, they limit the hiring of full time-workers, and everyone is hurt.
I am all for universal Healthcare. Obamacare is something else. It is a bad law, and I am happy the conservatives are trying all they can to stiffen it.
[quote=pernix]Republicans don't want anything good to happen for Obama so democrats look bad. They need to do their jobs and stop jerking off to try to get reelected.[/quote]
I would doubt any of you will actually be effected by Obamacare, the majority of you being covered under your parents care. It effects me, and let me tell you when it effects you, there is some serious BS surrounding it. . . not just in how confusing it is and how no one seems to really know or be able to explain how much it will really cost, it screws me over in various ways.
1) I work part-time while I look for a full-time job within my major. My part-time job is unionized. Previously, I had healthcare and coverage, it wasn't great but it was something, and it was basically free. Under the new law not only do I lose all union coverage (the company simply doesn't bargain for it with the union anymore due to the mandates passed down by Obama) I am supplemented with no coverage. This means I'll have to pay into Obamacare or pay a fine on my taxes in April...more on this in a second
2) Because Obamacare enforces anyone averaging over 30 work hours a week to be provided healthcare by their company (or that company takes a fine) the company I work for has stopped hiring full time workers. It has even laid off full-time workers (I work for a super-market, those full-timers are "lifers," they live a low standard of life and they have no other skill). It now hires 2 part-timers for every 1 full-time job, and no part-timer is allowed to work over 24 hrs a week to ensure they never average out to 30. Not only does this make the job itself more difficult, it brings the part-time workers (who are mostly also "lifers" and use the job to supplement their income) down to a level where they no longer bring in a week what they used to. [b]And since they are part-time, they no longer have healthcare provided.[/b]
3) Under Obamacare these people, making substantially less, will need to pay for health-insurance. Myself, very burdened by student loan costs on-top of a lower income will be forced to buy Healthcare.
4) Obamacare is not free healthcare, people, it is universal healthcare, or a tax. Why is it a tax?
5) After doing lots of research on the web the lowest value I can find for a year of healthcare costs would be 300 dollars. I am not sure how reliable that number is, but I'll use it. This gets me (if I've read through all the convolution correctly) at most the "bronze plan" which is pretty poor and slightly better than the free care I was getting with my union. I could pay that a year (which isn't so bad for me since I don't own house, and have few expenses other than student loans) or I could pay the fine on my taxes.
The fine is 90 bucks.
I get sick once a year. Was sick last week. I had strep-throat. I went to the doctor and bought an anti-biotic out of pocket. It cost me $125 for everything in the end. With the bronze plan, I save maybe half that, but still need to pay for the bronze plan. Tell me, will I be buying Obamacare or paying the tax-fine?
The problem is Obamacare needs young people like myself who are generally not taking much out of the system to be paying into the system. The young need to offset the cost of the old, but the price of the fine is much less, and many young people simply do not have the money.
For me, it's a few extra bucks, but for lots of people, who stuck in dead-end jobs (the people I see almost every-day) they are being hurt by this. Their company is giving less. Providing less hours and no longer offering a plan for part-time workers. The union (which lobbied laughably hard for Obama during the election) is in panic, the employees who voted for Obama also in panic, wondering why they did so.
Now you could say "but it isn't Obama's fault, it is the dumb company for being mean" Sure. But anyone with sense knew this would happen. Businesses are there to make money. You can legislate a business and they'll just find a way to make their money. If I raise the taxes on a company, they raise their prices. They lose little money, but the consumer is hurt. If I tell a company they must provide healthcare for full-time workers, they limit the hiring of full time-workers, and everyone is hurt.
I am all for universal Healthcare. Obamacare is something else. It is a bad law, and I am happy the conservatives are trying all they can to stiffen it.
I would doubt any of you will actually be effected by Obamacare, the majority of you being covered under your parents care. It effects me, and let me tell you when it effects you, there is some serious BS surrounding it. . . not just in how confusing it is and how no one seems to really know or be able to explain how much it will really cost, it screws me over in various ways.
1) I work part-time while I look for a full-time job within my major. My part-time job is unionized. Previously, I had healthcare and coverage, it wasn't great but it was something, and it was basically free. Under the new law not only do I lose all union coverage (the company simply doesn't bargain for it with the union anymore due to the mandates passed down by Obama) I am supplemented with no coverage. This means I'll have to pay into Obamacare or pay a fine on my taxes in April...more on this in a second
2) Because Obamacare enforces anyone averaging over 30 work hours a week to be provided healthcare by their company (or that company takes a fine) the company I work for has stopped hiring full time workers. It has even laid off full-time workers (I work for a super-market, those full-timers are "lifers," they live a low standard of life and they have no other skill). It now hires 2 part-timers for every 1 full-time job, and no part-timer is allowed to work over 24 hrs a week to ensure they never average out to 30. Not only does this make the job itself more difficult, it brings the part-time workers (who are mostly also "lifers" and use the job to supplement their income) down to a level where they no longer bring in a week what they used to. [b]And since they are part-time, they no longer have healthcare provided.[/b]
3) Under Obamacare these people, making substantially less, will need to pay for health-insurance. Myself, very burdened by student loan costs on-top of a lower income will be forced to buy Healthcare.
4) Obamacare is not free healthcare, people, it is universal healthcare, or a tax. Why is it a tax?
5) After doing lots of research on the web the lowest value I can find for a year of healthcare costs would be 300 dollars. I am not sure how reliable that number is, but I'll use it. This gets me (if I've read through all the convolution correctly) at most the "bronze plan" which is pretty poor and slightly better than the free care I was getting with my union. I could pay that a year (which isn't so bad for me since I don't own house, and have few expenses other than student loans) or I could pay the fine on my taxes.
The fine is 90 bucks.
I get sick once a year. Was sick last week. I had strep-throat. I went to the doctor and bought an anti-biotic out of pocket. It cost me $125 for everything in the end. With the bronze plan, I save maybe half that, but still need to pay for the bronze plan. Tell me, will I be buying Obamacare or paying the tax-fine?
The problem is Obamacare needs young people like myself who are generally not taking much out of the system to be paying into the system. The young need to offset the cost of the old, but the price of the fine is much less, and many young people simply do not have the money.
For me, it's a few extra bucks, but for lots of people, who stuck in dead-end jobs (the people I see almost every-day) they are being hurt by this. Their company is giving less. Providing less hours and no longer offering a plan for part-time workers. The union (which lobbied laughably hard for Obama during the election) is in panic, the employees who voted for Obama also in panic, wondering why they did so.
Now you could say "but it isn't Obama's fault, it is the dumb company for being mean" Sure. But anyone with sense knew this would happen. Businesses are there to make money. You can legislate a business and they'll just find a way to make their money. If I raise the taxes on a company, they raise their prices. They lose little money, but the consumer is hurt. If I tell a company they must provide healthcare for full-time workers, they limit the hiring of full time-workers, and everyone is hurt.
I am all for universal Healthcare. Obamacare is something else. It is a bad law, and I am happy the conservatives are trying all they can to stiffen it.
As someone who lives in a country with universal healthcare that actually works (like Obamacare apparently will not, according to Bloodsire...)
America is weird.
As someone who lives in a country with universal healthcare that actually works (like Obamacare apparently will not, according to Bloodsire...)
America is [i]weird[/i].
America is [i]weird[/i].
AoshimaAs someone who lives in a country with universal healthcare that actually works (like Obamacare apparently will not, according to Bloodsire...)
America is weird.
It could "work" in that it will get more people covered, but it's side-effects are troubling.
[quote=Aoshima]As someone who lives in a country with universal healthcare that actually works (like Obamacare apparently will not, according to Bloodsire...)
America is [i]weird[/i].[/quote]
It could "work" in that it will get more people covered, but it's side-effects are troubling.
America is [i]weird[/i].[/quote]
It could "work" in that it will get more people covered, but it's side-effects are troubling.
BLoodSireAoshimaAs someone who lives in a country with universal healthcare that actually works (like Obamacare apparently will not, according to Bloodsire...)
America is weird.
It could "work" in that it will get more people covered, but it's side-effects are troubling.
Agreed.
I'm so glad that my country uses a system that actually makes sense.
[quote=BLoodSire][quote=Aoshima]As someone who lives in a country with universal healthcare that actually works (like Obamacare apparently will not, according to Bloodsire...)
America is [i]weird[/i].[/quote]
It could "work" in that it will get more people covered, but it's side-effects are troubling.[/quote]
Agreed.
I'm so glad that my country uses a system that actually makes sense.
America is [i]weird[/i].[/quote]
It could "work" in that it will get more people covered, but it's side-effects are troubling.[/quote]
Agreed.
I'm so glad that my country uses a system that actually makes sense.
The problem with PPACA is it forces you to get insurance from an insurance company or get taxed. This isn't too surprising since insurance companies are the ones who helped set it up by quite a lot, though.
That said, Switzerland runs off a very similar model, the main differences are that insurance companies in Switzerland aren't allowed to profit off of the basic model and that everyone who works regardless of work hours is mandated to get it AFAIK, both good differences tbh.
The problem with PPACA is it forces you to get insurance from an insurance company or get taxed. This isn't too surprising since insurance companies are the ones who helped set it up by quite a lot, though.
That said, Switzerland runs off a very similar model, the main differences are that insurance companies in Switzerland aren't allowed to profit off of the basic model and that everyone who works regardless of work hours is mandated to get it AFAIK, both good differences tbh.
That said, Switzerland runs off a very similar model, the main differences are that insurance companies in Switzerland aren't allowed to profit off of the basic model and that everyone who works regardless of work hours is mandated to get it AFAIK, both good differences tbh.
Holy shit I feel sorry for Americans now, I literally had to go to hospital to get a spit roasted by tubes and put on various medication at points, it cost me
Holy shit I feel sorry for Americans now, I literally had to go to hospital to get a spit roasted by tubes and put on various medication at points, it cost me
BLoodSirestuff
Anyone employed full time by a company will probably feel the impact. I don't really agree with all of obamacare but that's not the point.
The point is that the ACA fulfilled every legislative requirement to be signed into law, and it was signed into law. It's already passed. But instead of fighting the law where it should be fought, they hijacked a mostly unrelated routine congressional undertaking. They literally held the government hostage instead of behaving like responsible lawmakers and working to change public opinion. I'm not looking forward to the affects of the law either but you shouldn't be happy that the people you agree with are completely and totally obliterating the credibility of your position. They're being petty and juvenile. "If I can't have what I want then nobody can!"
[quote=BLoodSire]
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Anyone employed full time by a company will probably feel the impact. I don't really agree with all of obamacare but that's not the point.
The point is that the ACA fulfilled every legislative requirement to be signed into law, and it [i]was[/i] signed into law. It's already passed. But instead of fighting the law where it should be fought, they hijacked a mostly unrelated routine congressional undertaking. They literally held the government hostage instead of behaving like responsible lawmakers and working to change public opinion. I'm not looking forward to the affects of the law either but you shouldn't be happy that the people you agree with are completely and totally obliterating the credibility of your position. They're being petty and juvenile. "If I can't have what I want then nobody can!"
stuff
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Anyone employed full time by a company will probably feel the impact. I don't really agree with all of obamacare but that's not the point.
The point is that the ACA fulfilled every legislative requirement to be signed into law, and it [i]was[/i] signed into law. It's already passed. But instead of fighting the law where it should be fought, they hijacked a mostly unrelated routine congressional undertaking. They literally held the government hostage instead of behaving like responsible lawmakers and working to change public opinion. I'm not looking forward to the affects of the law either but you shouldn't be happy that the people you agree with are completely and totally obliterating the credibility of your position. They're being petty and juvenile. "If I can't have what I want then nobody can!"
BLoodSireObamacare is something else. It is a bad law, and I am happy the conservatives are trying all they can to stiffen it.
it's not as effective because lawmakers (particularly conservatives) won't allow universal health care in this country. their actions today aren't helping anyone either. if they really wanted something more cost effective in the long run, go universal health care, but i guess instead we'll have more fun nights of congressmen reading dr seuss. affordable health care act was the best compromise that could actually get passed right now and it won't get any better until we get out of political lala land.
affordable health care act is personally having some great perks for me but what do i know, i'm just a dirty hippie. i hope ted cruz reads the lorax next.
[quote=BLoodSire]Obamacare is something else. It is a bad law, and I am happy the conservatives are trying all they can to stiffen it.[/quote]
it's not as effective because lawmakers (particularly conservatives) won't allow universal health care in this country. their actions today aren't helping anyone either. if they really wanted something more cost effective in the long run, go universal health care, but i guess instead we'll have more fun nights of congressmen reading dr seuss. affordable health care act was the best compromise that could actually get passed right now and it won't get any better until we get out of political lala land.
affordable health care act is personally having some great perks for me but what do i know, i'm just a dirty hippie. i hope ted cruz reads the lorax next.
it's not as effective because lawmakers (particularly conservatives) won't allow universal health care in this country. their actions today aren't helping anyone either. if they really wanted something more cost effective in the long run, go universal health care, but i guess instead we'll have more fun nights of congressmen reading dr seuss. affordable health care act was the best compromise that could actually get passed right now and it won't get any better until we get out of political lala land.
affordable health care act is personally having some great perks for me but what do i know, i'm just a dirty hippie. i hope ted cruz reads the lorax next.
I remember having an operation on my mouth a couple of years ago - cost me only
I remember having an operation on my mouth a couple of years ago - cost me only
didn't we have a shutdown in the mid 90s? ffs
BLoodSire I would doubt any of you will actually be effected by Obamacare
my job cut almost everyone's hours in order to avoid paying health coverage. pretty shitty move imo, but isn't that why it was suspended?
didn't we have a shutdown in the mid 90s? ffs
[quote=BLoodSire] I would doubt any of you will actually be effected by Obamacare[/quote]
my job cut almost everyone's hours in order to avoid paying health coverage. pretty shitty move imo, but isn't that why it was suspended?
[quote=BLoodSire] I would doubt any of you will actually be effected by Obamacare[/quote]
my job cut almost everyone's hours in order to avoid paying health coverage. pretty shitty move imo, but isn't that why it was suspended?
So basically this all stems from congress being unable to agree on how to fund the government
What are they, fucking 6 year old kids? What, do they whine and pitch a fit when they don't get their way?
So basically this all stems from congress being unable to agree on how to fund the government
What are they, fucking 6 year old kids? What, do they whine and pitch a fit when they don't get their way?
What are they, fucking 6 year old kids? What, do they whine and pitch a fit when they don't get their way?
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