After watching Fully Charged #40 (woo, it's 40 episodes old!) and listening to the PUG talk, I decided to make an ESEA thread regarding their PUGs. It would be appreciated if people could leave their opinions in the thread:
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic&id=526671
Thanks. :D
After watching Fully Charged #40 (woo, it's 40 episodes old!) and listening to the PUG talk, I decided to make an ESEA thread regarding their PUGs. It would be appreciated if people could leave their opinions in the thread:
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic&id=526671
Thanks. :D
The thing is, IMO, we can talk about the advantages of the ESEA pug system all we want, but it doesn't change the fact that the community has created multiple pug systems on its own, to the point that ESEA would have to make drastic, drastic changes to even have a chance of becoming a minor competitor to them. Sure, IRC is hard at first but once you get walked through it by someone familiar with the IRC pug system it's pretty easy. And if you really don't get IRC at all we're supposed to get TF2center eventually, which will be more straightforward, and hopefully not as scrubby as lobby has become (if it even gets released, that is...).
Just saying, ESEA has a lot of distance to catch up in the pug market.
The thing is, IMO, we can talk about the advantages of the ESEA pug system all we want, but it doesn't change the fact that the community has created multiple pug systems on its own, to the point that ESEA would have to make drastic, drastic changes to even have a chance of becoming a minor competitor to them. Sure, IRC is hard at first but once you get walked through it by someone familiar with the IRC pug system it's pretty easy. And if you really don't get IRC at all we're [i]supposed[/i] to get TF2center eventually, which will be more straightforward, and hopefully not as scrubby as lobby has become (if it even gets released, that is...).
Just saying, ESEA has a lot of distance to catch up in the pug market.
my main concern with ESEA pugs is that I (believe) would have to pay for ESEA.
I know this isnt a big deal for most people since they are paying anyways to play in the league, but for people like myself who arent on a team but still want to pug it is a factor.
edited for clarity and so it doesnt sound like im yelling
my main concern with ESEA pugs is that I (believe) would have to pay for ESEA.
I know this isnt a big deal for most people since they are paying anyways to play in the league, but for people like myself who arent on a team but still want to pug it is a factor.
edited for clarity and so it doesnt sound like im yelling
TotlesI dont have enough free time to join a team and I dont want to have to pay to pug
The don't play.
Damn I'm a good problemsolver!
[quote=Totles]I dont have enough free time to join a team and I dont want to have to pay to pug[/quote]
The don't play.
Damn I'm a good problemsolver!
If there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?
If there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?
The point of this thread on TFTV was to get people to post on the ESEA forums, not here. Posting here doesn't do anything.
The point of this thread on TFTV was to get people to post on the ESEA forums, not here. Posting here doesn't do anything.
Didn't watch FC but I know that one of the main problems with pugging in ESEA is that you have to play with whatever 12 people are in the server which can result in bad pugs. Sometimes CS players hop in too...
Didn't watch FC but I know that one of the main problems with pugging in ESEA is that you have to play with whatever 12 people are in the server which can result in bad pugs. Sometimes CS players hop in too...
I've never used any of the irc pug systems. If the ESEA pugs were used by the community more, I would play in them.
I've never used any of the irc pug systems. If the ESEA pugs were used by the community more, I would play in them.
PhraktureIf there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?
one of the reasons is because most of the people are already premium because they're on teams
[quote=Phrakture]If there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?[/quote]
one of the reasons is because most of the people are already premium because they're on teams
DevonPhraktureIf there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?
one of the reasons is because most of the people are already premium because they're on teams
But they can't play with people who don't have premium. More people more pugs
[quote=Devon][quote=Phrakture]If there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?[/quote]
one of the reasons is because most of the people are already premium because they're on teams[/quote]
But they can't play with people who don't have premium. More people more pugs
I would love to discuss important topics with ESEA. Oh wait, my IP is banned from the whole website because ESEA was charging me for premium I didn't sign up for.
gg
I would love to discuss important topics with ESEA. Oh wait, my IP is banned from the whole website because ESEA was charging me for premium I didn't sign up for.
gg
I think the community needs to be decreasing its reliance on ESEA, not increasing it.
I think the community needs to be decreasing its reliance on ESEA, not increasing it.
speaking of fully charged, i remember extv doing a weekly news show for tf2 called extravision. that kinda died down after a while. would love to see a condensed quick news show that lets everyone keep up with happenings in tf2.
speaking of fully charged, i remember extv doing a weekly news show for tf2 called extravision. that kinda died down after a while. would love to see a condensed quick news show that lets everyone keep up with happenings in tf2.
PhraktureIf there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?
Aren't there prizes you can get over time for having X amount of karma, with pugs being the easiest way to gain karma? I've been out of the ESEA karma/prize loop for awhile though.
[quote=Phrakture]If there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?[/quote]
Aren't there prizes you can get over time for having X amount of karma, with pugs being the easiest way to gain karma? I've been out of the ESEA karma/prize loop for awhile though.
kirbyPhraktureIf there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?
Aren't there prizes you can get over time for having X amount of karma, with pugs being the easiest way to gain karma? I've been out of the ESEA karma/prize loop for awhile though.
The prizes aren't based off of karma but from the stats that you get (i.e most kills, ubercharges, etc.)
[quote=kirby][quote=Phrakture]If there's a free pug system why would someone pay for a different pug system that essentially provides the exact same service?[/quote]
Aren't there prizes you can get over time for having X amount of karma, with pugs being the easiest way to gain karma? I've been out of the ESEA karma/prize loop for awhile though.[/quote] The prizes aren't based off of karma but from the stats that you get (i.e most kills, ubercharges, etc.)
Either way, is that still a thing? Seems like the only reason to bother playing in ESEA pugs.
Either way, is that still a thing? Seems like the only reason to bother playing in ESEA pugs.
kirbyEither way, is that still a thing? Seems like the only reason to bother playing in ESEA pugs.
It still is, but since no one plays the pugs no one claims the prizes
[quote=kirby]Either way, is that still a thing? Seems like the only reason to bother playing in ESEA pugs.[/quote] It still is, but since no one plays the pugs no one claims the prizes
MR_SLINDidn't watch FC but I know that one of the main problems with pugging in ESEA is that you have to play with whatever 12 people are in the server which can result in bad pugs. Sometimes CS players hop in too...
thats fine by me, i hop in the cs pugs and walk around with the shotgun all game
[quote=MR_SLIN]Didn't watch FC but I know that one of the main problems with pugging in ESEA is that you have to play with whatever 12 people are in the server which can result in bad pugs. Sometimes CS players hop in too...[/quote]
thats fine by me, i hop in the cs pugs and walk around with the shotgun all game
sherman_gluckMR_SLINDidn't watch FC but I know that one of the main problems with pugging in ESEA is that you have to play with whatever 12 people are in the server which can result in bad pugs. Sometimes CS players hop in too...
thats fine by me, i hop in the cs pugs and walk around with the shotgun all game
the difference is that its a lot easier to jump straight into a CS pug than it is to jump into a TF2 pug because of how different the public scene in tf2 is from its competitive scene.
[quote=sherman_gluck][quote=MR_SLIN]Didn't watch FC but I know that one of the main problems with pugging in ESEA is that you have to play with whatever 12 people are in the server which can result in bad pugs. Sometimes CS players hop in too...[/quote]
thats fine by me, i hop in the cs pugs and walk around with the shotgun all game[/quote]
the difference is that its a lot easier to jump straight into a CS pug than it is to jump into a TF2 pug because of how different the public scene in tf2 is from its competitive scene.
downpourthe difference is that its a lot easier to jump straight into a CS pug than it is to jump into a TF2 pug because of how different the public scene in tf2 is from its competitive scene.
not really, you can still join the server and mash your .ready bind and be completely useless
tf2 players for cs will be retarded the same way cs players for tf2 will be retarded
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i'm a perfect example
[quote=downpour]
the difference is that its a lot easier to jump straight into a CS pug than it is to jump into a TF2 pug because of how different the public scene in tf2 is from its competitive scene.[/quote]
not really, you can still join the server and mash your .ready bind and be completely useless
tf2 players for cs will be retarded the same way cs players for tf2 will be retarded
[spoiler]i'm a perfect example[/spoiler]
For anyone actually paying attention to this thread, here's the problem. 11 Invite TF2 players sign up to play a PUG. The 12th player could either be another Invite TF2 player, an Open/IM/Main-level TF2 player, or a non-TF2 player. Everyone knows that if the teams aren't even, the PUG won't be as fun or competitive. Simple as that. Nobody wants to play 5v6.
The problem with ESEA is that any retard with $7 USD can hop into a PUG. ESEA won't force that player out of the PUG because he is paying for that service, so nobody PUGs on ESEA. It's easier to do an inhouse or pug.na where you have some control of who gets to play.
For anyone actually paying attention to this thread, here's the problem. 11 Invite TF2 players sign up to play a PUG. The 12th player could either be another Invite TF2 player, an Open/IM/Main-level TF2 player, or a non-TF2 player. Everyone knows that if the teams aren't even, the PUG won't be as fun or competitive. Simple as that. Nobody wants to play 5v6.
The problem with ESEA is that any retard with $7 USD can hop into a PUG. ESEA won't force that player out of the PUG because he is paying for that service, so nobody PUGs on ESEA. It's easier to do an inhouse or pug.na where you have some control of who gets to play.
The solution to the problem is a lot harder to come to solely because of how different pub TF2 is to competitive TF2. We have all the archaic rules, unlocks, class limits, etc. Which makes it hard to automate a system as ESEA does.
The solution to the problem is a lot harder to come to solely because of how different pub TF2 is to competitive TF2. We have all the archaic rules, unlocks, class limits, etc. Which makes it hard to automate a system as ESEA does.
Whats an easier more forgiving bridge from pub to comp? Turn esea pugs into highlander games and see the useskyrocket.
Whats an easier more forgiving bridge from pub to comp? Turn esea pugs into highlander games and see the useskyrocket.
ckapdownpourthe difference is that its a lot easier to jump straight into a CS pug than it is to jump into a TF2 pug because of how different the public scene in tf2 is from its competitive scene.
not really, you can still join the server and mash your .ready bind and be completely useless
tf2 players for cs will be retarded the same way cs players for tf2 will be retarded
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i'm a perfect example
a single good player in cs can carry you and your team, that cant quite happen in tf2. Ive had pugs in cs where my team goes 15-0 then one player on my team leaves and it ends 15-15.
[quote=ckap][quote=downpour]
the difference is that its a lot easier to jump straight into a CS pug than it is to jump into a TF2 pug because of how different the public scene in tf2 is from its competitive scene.[/quote]
not really, you can still join the server and mash your .ready bind and be completely useless
tf2 players for cs will be retarded the same way cs players for tf2 will be retarded
[spoiler]i'm a perfect example[/spoiler][/quote]
a single good player in cs can carry you and your team, that cant quite happen in tf2. Ive had pugs in cs where my team goes 15-0 then one player on my team leaves and it ends 15-15.
huh
it's all relative if ur entire team is shit theres people in tf2 that can do that too
huh
it's all relative if ur entire team is shit theres people in tf2 that can do that too
2chuh
it's all relative if ur entire team is shit theres people in tf2 that can do that too
cant remember seeing it since yaug knocked dynamic out of a lan spot
[quote=2c]huh
it's all relative if ur entire team is shit theres people in tf2 that can do that too[/quote]
cant remember seeing it since yaug knocked dynamic out of a lan spot
PlatinumWhats an easier more forgiving bridge from pub to comp? Turn esea pugs into highlander games and see the useskyrocket.
sad, but true. i'm willing!
[quote=Platinum]Whats an easier more forgiving bridge from pub to comp? Turn esea pugs into highlander games and see the useskyrocket.[/quote]
sad, but true. i'm willing!
love the fact that we posted on ESEA to talk about it so they would see it yet there is 4 posts there and almost 30 here... anyone wanna yahknow go and talk about it there like we should be?
love the fact that we posted on ESEA to talk about it so they would see it yet there is 4 posts there and almost 30 here... anyone wanna yahknow go and talk about it there like we should be?
Tino_love the fact that we posted on ESEA to talk about it so they would see it yet there is 4 posts there and almost 30 here... anyone wanna yahknow go and talk about it there like we should be?
Yeah, although you have to pay for premium to post on esea.
[quote=Tino_]love the fact that we posted on ESEA to talk about it so they would see it yet there is 4 posts there and almost 30 here... anyone wanna yahknow go and talk about it there like we should be?[/quote]
Yeah, although you have to pay for premium to post on esea.
MerchantTino_love the fact that we posted on ESEA to talk about it so they would see it yet there is 4 posts there and almost 30 here... anyone wanna yahknow go and talk about it there like we should be?
Yeah, although you have to pay for premium to post on esea.
What?!?!? Are you actually serious?
[quote=Merchant][quote=Tino_]love the fact that we posted on ESEA to talk about it so they would see it yet there is 4 posts there and almost 30 here... anyone wanna yahknow go and talk about it there like we should be?[/quote]
Yeah, although you have to pay for premium to post on esea.[/quote]
What?!?!? Are you actually serious?