Long story short, people killing me or neutralizing my actions outplayed me in less than 50% of the cases in HL. Well, unless you call run pass other players when you are invisible then click on their back when they are not paying attention on you are "outplaying".
Why do so many people bash 9v9?
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Long story short, people killing me or neutralizing my actions outplayed me in less than 50% of the cases in HL. Well, unless you call run pass other players when you are invisible then click on their back when they are not paying attention on you are "outplaying".
Just to add to everything else pyro/engy/heavy make highlander slower than 6v6 and more boring for spectators is because pyros and sentries neutralize roamers/scouts/spies and heavy is just a class that requires from no to very little deathmatching abilities and very little strategy
Just to add to everything else pyro/engy/heavy make highlander slower than 6v6 and more boring for spectators is because pyros and sentries neutralize roamers/scouts/spies and heavy is just a class that requires from no to very little deathmatching abilities and very little strategy
Aura, the issue that I have from your analysis is that it seems as though your 6's team is going up against another 6's team going all off-classing, or going up against a highlander team.
Aura, the issue that I have from your analysis is that it seems as though your 6's team is going up against another 6's team going all off-classing, or going up against a highlander team.
NozzleAura, the issue that I have from your analysis is that it seems as though your 6's team is going up against another 6's team going all off-classing, or going up against a highlander team.
a situation in 6v6 where one team on defense runs heavy + pyro + engy/sniper is quite common. And sometimes just a heavy + sniper is already hard to push against e.g. snakewater, process last.
[quote=Nozzle]Aura, the issue that I have from your analysis is that it seems as though your 6's team is going up against another 6's team going all off-classing, or going up against a highlander team.[/quote]
a situation in 6v6 where one team on defense runs heavy + pyro + engy/sniper is quite common. And sometimes just a heavy + sniper is already hard to push against e.g. snakewater, process last.
a situation in 6v6 where one team on defense runs heavy + pyro + engy/sniper is quite common. And sometimes just a heavy + sniper is already hard to push against e.g. snakewater, process last.
Auraheavy is just a class that requires from no to very little deathmatching abilities and very little strategy
[quote=Aura]heavy is just a class that requires from no to very little deathmatching abilities and very little strategy
LKincheloeNot my point, does having a financial risk/reward (i.e. an opportunity to make more than you put into it to play), irregardless of actually making a living off of it as you inferred, change the way people approach the game?
base: regard
verb - care or concern for someone or something
prefix: ir
prefix - not / non / [the opposite of]
suffix: less
adjective suffix - without / lacking / inability to be performed
base + suffix: regardless
adverb - in spite of everything / without paying attention to the situation / without regard / having a lack of regard
prefix + base + suffix: irregardless
stupid/non-word despite the stupid people who added it to the dictionary
not lacking care or concern for someone or something
not without regard
not + without + regard = with regard
since 'irregardless' in the OP context is a preposition, we need a preposition for comparison. therefore,
irregardless = regarding
so the quote is effectively:
LKincheloeNot my point, does having a financial risk/reward (i.e. an opportunity to make more than you put into it to play), regarding of actually making a living off of it as you inferred, change the way people approach the game?
tl;dr
I don't care what stupid dictionary you cite, you can't take a word with a suffix that means 'the opposite of', add a prefix that means 'the opposite of', and end up with a word synonymous with the original word. Adding two negatives doesn't end with a positive in math and they don't end with a positive in English, either. Anyone who disagrees with this concept, frankly, can't not be irretardless.
[quote=LKincheloe]
Not my point, does having a financial risk/reward (i.e. an opportunity to make more than you put into it to play), [b][u]irregardless[/u][/b] of actually making a living off of it as you inferred, change the way people approach the game?[/quote]
base: regard
[i]verb[/i] - care or concern for someone or something
prefix: ir
[i]prefix[/i] - not / non / [the opposite of]
suffix: less
[i]adjective suffix[/i] - without / lacking / inability to be performed
base + suffix: [b]regard[/b][u]less[/u]
[i]adverb[/i] - in spite of everything / without paying attention to the situation / [b]without regard[/b] / [b]having a lack of regard[/b]
prefix + base + suffix: [i]ir[/i][b]regard[/b][u]less[/u]
[i]stupid/non-word despite the stupid people who added it to the dictionary[/i]
[i]not [/i][u]lacking[/u] [b]care or concern for someone or something[/b]
not without regard
not + without + regard = with regard
since 'irregardless' in the OP context is a preposition, we need a preposition for comparison. therefore,
irregardless = regarding
so the quote is effectively:
[quote=LKincheloe]
Not my point, does having a financial risk/reward (i.e. an opportunity to make more than you put into it to play), [b][u]regarding[/u][/b] of actually making a living off of it as you inferred, change the way people approach the game?[/quote]
tl;dr
I don't care what stupid dictionary you cite, you can't take a word with a suffix that means 'the opposite of', add a prefix that means 'the opposite of', and end up with a word synonymous with the original word. Adding two negatives doesn't end with a positive in math and they don't end with a positive in English, either. Anyone who disagrees with this concept, frankly, can't not be irretardless.
Not my point, does having a financial risk/reward (i.e. an opportunity to make more than you put into it to play), [b][u]irregardless[/u][/b] of actually making a living off of it as you inferred, change the way people approach the game?[/quote]
base: regard
[i]verb[/i] - care or concern for someone or something
prefix: ir
[i]prefix[/i] - not / non / [the opposite of]
suffix: less
[i]adjective suffix[/i] - without / lacking / inability to be performed
base + suffix: [b]regard[/b][u]less[/u]
[i]adverb[/i] - in spite of everything / without paying attention to the situation / [b]without regard[/b] / [b]having a lack of regard[/b]
prefix + base + suffix: [i]ir[/i][b]regard[/b][u]less[/u]
[i]stupid/non-word despite the stupid people who added it to the dictionary[/i]
[i]not [/i][u]lacking[/u] [b]care or concern for someone or something[/b]
not without regard
not + without + regard = with regard
since 'irregardless' in the OP context is a preposition, we need a preposition for comparison. therefore,
irregardless = regarding
so the quote is effectively:
[quote=LKincheloe]
Not my point, does having a financial risk/reward (i.e. an opportunity to make more than you put into it to play), [b][u]regarding[/u][/b] of actually making a living off of it as you inferred, change the way people approach the game?[/quote]
tl;dr
I don't care what stupid dictionary you cite, you can't take a word with a suffix that means 'the opposite of', add a prefix that means 'the opposite of', and end up with a word synonymous with the original word. Adding two negatives doesn't end with a positive in math and they don't end with a positive in English, either. Anyone who disagrees with this concept, frankly, can't not be irretardless.
MiNi Think about it for a second, they have the defensive utilities, what do you already have? OH you have pick classes already.
With tf2 being the way it is this is super annoying. It's really easy comparatively to play a solid defensive game as engineer, heavy, and demoman than it is to pick those defensive 'utilities' (which are easily the strongest forces in the game class-wise) as sniper or spy or even scout.
[quote=MiNi] Think about it for a second, they have the defensive utilities, what do you already have? OH you have pick classes already. [/quote]
With tf2 being the way it is this is super annoying. It's really easy comparatively to play a solid defensive game as engineer, heavy, and demoman than it is to pick those defensive 'utilities' (which are easily the strongest forces in the game class-wise) as sniper or spy or even scout.
With tf2 being the way it is this is super annoying. It's really easy comparatively to play a solid defensive game as engineer, heavy, and demoman than it is to pick those defensive 'utilities' (which are easily the strongest forces in the game class-wise) as sniper or spy or even scout.
hanbroloWith tf2 being the way it is this is super annoying. It's really easy comparatively to play a solid defensive game as engineer, heavy, and demoman than it is to pick those defensive 'utilities' (which are easily the strongest forces in the game class-wise) as sniper or spy or even scout.
Yeah, i agree. It is easier for the defense to shut them down then it is for them to get the picks you need. I just hate people who bash either gamemode. I love playing both of them.
[quote=hanbrolo]With tf2 being the way it is this is super annoying. It's really easy comparatively to play a solid defensive game as engineer, heavy, and demoman than it is to pick those defensive 'utilities' (which are easily the strongest forces in the game class-wise) as sniper or spy or even scout.[/quote]
Yeah, i agree. It is easier for the defense to shut them down then it is for them to get the picks you need. I just hate people who bash either gamemode. I love playing both of them.
Yeah, i agree. It is easier for the defense to shut them down then it is for them to get the picks you need. I just hate people who bash either gamemode. I love playing both of them.
smakers-snip-
http://cdn.lolchamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Whatever-Floats-Your-Goat.jpg
AllealDoes UGC not possess a system for tracking players and teams so that the admins can make the final call for their division? Because that's one of the responsibilities of any league.
They do, but for the most part I've observed they make rather subjective calls in a lot of instances.
[quote=smakers]-snip-[/quote]
[img]http://cdn.lolchamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Whatever-Floats-Your-Goat.jpg[/img]
[quote=Alleal]Does UGC not possess a system for tracking players and teams so that the admins can make the final call for their division? Because that's one of the responsibilities of any league.[/quote]
They do, but for the most part I've observed they make rather subjective calls in a lot of instances.
[img]http://cdn.lolchamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Whatever-Floats-Your-Goat.jpg[/img]
[quote=Alleal]Does UGC not possess a system for tracking players and teams so that the admins can make the final call for their division? Because that's one of the responsibilities of any league.[/quote]
They do, but for the most part I've observed they make rather subjective calls in a lot of instances.
MiNiAuraheavy is just a class that requires from no to very little deathmatching abilities and very little strategy
[quote=MiNi][quote=Aura]heavy is just a class that requires from no to very little deathmatching abilities and very little strategy
LunacideThe match between Mixup and Quantic on badlands during S10 LAN is considered to be one of the best games of 6s to ever happen, atleast from a spectator standpoint. I've always wondered, is there a highlander equivalent to this game?
I've never really enjoyed watching highlander being casted, either because of the quality of the caster, the skill differences in the teams, or the chaotic nature of certain maps (steel, 5-cp maps with many flanks, etc.).
This is my favorite highlander match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wkAYzuOurM
I would rate it as one of the best ever played.
[quote=Lunacide]The match between Mixup and Quantic on badlands during S10 LAN is considered to be one of the best games of 6s to ever happen, atleast from a spectator standpoint. I've always wondered, is there a highlander equivalent to this game?
I've never really enjoyed watching highlander being casted, either because of the quality of the caster, the skill differences in the teams, or the chaotic nature of certain maps (steel, 5-cp maps with many flanks, etc.).[/quote]
This is my favorite highlander match. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wkAYzuOurM[/youtube]
I would rate it as one of the best ever played.
I've never really enjoyed watching highlander being casted, either because of the quality of the caster, the skill differences in the teams, or the chaotic nature of certain maps (steel, 5-cp maps with many flanks, etc.).[/quote]
This is my favorite highlander match. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wkAYzuOurM[/youtube]
I would rate it as one of the best ever played.
I was gonna go off about irregardless not being a word but smaka took care of it much better than I would have
I was gonna go off about irregardless not being a word but smaka took care of it much better than I would have
Ringo__StarrI was gonna go off about irregardless not being a word but smaka took care of it much better than I would have
[quote=Ringo__Starr]I was gonna go off about irregardless not being a word but smaka took care of it much better than I would have[/quote]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJ-OK4jiSY[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJ-OK4jiSY[/youtube]
#230 certainly the most fun match i've ever had in tf2.
#230 certainly the most fun match i've ever had in tf2.
DarkNecrid#230 certainly the most fun match i've ever had in tf2.
that game made me want to start playing, it was great. To this day steel is my favorite hl map
[quote=DarkNecrid]#230 certainly the most fun match i've ever had in tf2.[/quote]
that game made me want to start playing, it was great. To this day steel is my favorite hl map
that game made me want to start playing, it was great. To this day steel is my favorite hl map
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3zDdCr5BM
definitely the most intense hl match i've played. too bad we choked in the playoff rematch
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3zDdCr5BM[/youtube]
definitely the most intense hl match i've played. too bad we choked in the playoff rematch
definitely the most intense hl match i've played. too bad we choked in the playoff rematch
mghughlauriehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3zDdCr5BM
definitely the most intense hl match i've played. too bad we choked in the playoff rematch
http://i.imgur.com/rhbJ8Oh.png
Funnest Highlander match I've ever played.
[quote=mghughlaurie][youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK3zDdCr5BM[/youtube]
definitely the most intense hl match i've played. too bad we choked in the playoff rematch[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/rhbJ8Oh.png[/img]
Funnest Highlander match I've ever played.
definitely the most intense hl match i've played. too bad we choked in the playoff rematch[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/rhbJ8Oh.png[/img]
Funnest Highlander match I've ever played.
T0mIts for noobs.
I've been going by just "tom" in game for the last couple of months, but seeing your posts has made me strongly consider going back to "tomroadrunner" to avoid any confusion.
[quote=T0m]Its for noobs.[/quote]
I've been going by just "tom" in game for the last couple of months, but seeing your posts has made me strongly consider going back to "tomroadrunner" to avoid any confusion.
I've been going by just "tom" in game for the last couple of months, but seeing your posts has made me strongly consider going back to "tomroadrunner" to avoid any confusion.
because in 9v9, for the most part, the number of frags your team gets is more crucial in a push than the quality. something big like a demo pick in 6v6 is huge, where in HL its not so important unless you pick up med or heavy as well. theres not as much thought, its more just "lets throw pick classes at em until theres an opening"
because in 9v9, for the most part, the number of frags your team gets is more crucial in a push than the quality. something big like a demo pick in 6v6 is huge, where in HL its not so important unless you pick up med or heavy as well. theres not as much thought, its more just "lets throw pick classes at em until theres an opening"
PocketOTYbecause in 9v9, for the most part, the number of frags your team gets is more crucial in a push than the quality. something big like a demo pick in 6v6 is huge, where in HL its not so important unless you pick up med or heavy as well. theres not as much thought, its more just "lets throw pick classes at em until theres an opening"
i disagree. A demo pick means a lot, less damage on the field, its the best pick you can get. A pyro pick before an uber means you wont get airblasted back. Engi pick means he cant save his sentry. Sniper pick means you can pop later. Of course a medic pick is always great. Quality is still a big deal, there is just more classes to work against that still have a large impact.
[quote=PocketOTY]because in 9v9, for the most part, the number of frags your team gets is more crucial in a push than the quality. something big like a demo pick in 6v6 is huge, where in HL its not so important unless you pick up med or heavy as well. theres not as much thought, its more just "lets throw pick classes at em until theres an opening"[/quote]
i disagree. A demo pick means a lot, less damage on the field, its the best pick you can get. A pyro pick before an uber means you wont get airblasted back. Engi pick means he cant save his sentry. Sniper pick means you can pop later. Of course a medic pick is always great. Quality is still a big deal, there is just more classes to work against that still have a large impact.
i disagree. A demo pick means a lot, less damage on the field, its the best pick you can get. A pyro pick before an uber means you wont get airblasted back. Engi pick means he cant save his sentry. Sniper pick means you can pop later. Of course a medic pick is always great. Quality is still a big deal, there is just more classes to work against that still have a large impact.
For many Highlander players the appeal of HL is inversely related to what is unappealing about HL to 6's players: Individual accomplishment isn't rewarded, it's hard to make plays etc, you hardly ever feel like you have a major impact on the game.
Now this also means: if ur shit, nobody will really notice. You will probably get some random bullshit kills here and there (especially using the help of gimmicky unlocks) and still be satisfied about your game. If ur shit in 6's, you won't have much fun and people will see you as the weak link very quickly.
For many Highlander players the appeal of HL is inversely related to what is unappealing about HL to 6's players: Individual accomplishment isn't rewarded, it's hard to make plays etc, you hardly ever feel like you have a major impact on the game.
Now this also means: if ur shit, nobody will really notice. You will probably get some random bullshit kills here and there (especially using the help of gimmicky unlocks) and still be satisfied about your game. If ur shit in 6's, you won't have much fun and people will see you as the weak link very quickly.
Now this also means: if ur shit, nobody will really notice. You will probably get some random bullshit kills here and there (especially using the help of gimmicky unlocks) and still be satisfied about your game. If ur shit in 6's, you won't have much fun and people will see you as the weak link very quickly.
i playy div6 solly in a highlander team and love it but if it comes down to watch games i find watching 6s more intresting except i am watching the stv of a friends hl game :3
i playy div6 solly in a highlander team and love it but if it comes down to watch games i find watching 6s more intresting except i am watching the stv of a friends hl game :3
This looks like a top quality thread let's start it up again.
This looks like a top quality thread let's start it up again.
mthere is a class that has invisibility and an instant kill button
there is a class that builds robots that aim for him or have bullets with no falloff
and i havent even talked about heavy
Are you still talking about Highlander or are you talking about defending last on 6s?
Like really, why is there this hate. You are not forced to play highlander, but yet still there is this bashing. Just because you don't understand it, that doesn't make it shit. Personally I find Highlander strategically more complex, but 6s is more fun for the killing part for me. I play both and I love both, let's all get together and have fun.
[quote=m]there is a class that has invisibility and an instant kill button
there is a class that builds robots that aim for him or have bullets with no falloff
and i havent even talked about heavy[/quote]
Are you still talking about Highlander or are you talking about defending last on 6s?
Like really, why is there this hate. You are not forced to play highlander, but yet still there is this bashing. Just because you don't understand it, that doesn't make it shit. Personally I find Highlander strategically more complex, but 6s is more fun for the killing part for me. I play both and I love both, let's all get together and have fun.
there is a class that builds robots that aim for him or have bullets with no falloff
and i havent even talked about heavy[/quote]
Are you still talking about Highlander or are you talking about defending last on 6s?
Like really, why is there this hate. You are not forced to play highlander, but yet still there is this bashing. Just because you don't understand it, that doesn't make it shit. Personally I find Highlander strategically more complex, but 6s is more fun for the killing part for me. I play both and I love both, let's all get together and have fun.
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