Are people really willing to jeopardize ESEA dropping TF2 and then no more ESEA LAN. No more teams meeting each other and forming a bond that goes past online play. No more high level play.
( and last importantly rip shade videos, heh )
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Are people really willing to jeopardize ESEA dropping TF2 and then no more ESEA LAN. No more teams meeting each other and forming a bond that goes past online play. No more high level play.
( and last importantly rip shade videos, heh )
( and last importantly rip shade videos, heh )
BapeIf Langes playing CEVO... I'm playing CEVO!
thats the spirit! hurrah! go cevo!
[quote=Bape]If Langes playing CEVO... I'm playing CEVO![/quote]
thats the spirit! hurrah! go cevo!
thats the spirit! hurrah! go cevo!
pine_beetleTelling people to play in esea instead of cevo until YOU think it's good enough isn't going to change anything and you are being completely ignorant as to why they made the switch in the first place.
i dont think you actually read what marm posted because hes asking people to play in both!!!!
[quote=pine_beetle]Telling people to play in esea instead of cevo until YOU think it's good enough isn't going to change anything and you are being completely ignorant as to why they made the switch in the first place.[/quote]
i dont think you actually read what marm posted because hes asking people to play in both!!!!
i dont think you actually read what marm posted because hes asking people to play in both!!!!
It's ignorant as to why they are playing in cevo in the first place. A lot of people do not trust esea anymore, which is a perfectly valid reason not to play in esea this season at all. Telling people they can't trust cevo because you played in it and don't like it and have friends who cheated and won. Does not have much weight compared to something that could maliciously be attacking your computer.
Cevo has run big tf2 tournaments that attracted the best competition in the past the big foot killer edge for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8mG47fhRgk Sure esea went bigger with lans ect... but to say they never have or couldn't do it or it's plagued by cheaters.... Isn't really represented by facts and talking about things that happened 10 years ago doesn't help the argument.
It's ignorant as to why they are playing in cevo in the first place. A lot of people do not trust esea anymore, which is a perfectly valid reason not to play in esea this season at all. Telling people they can't trust cevo because you played in it and don't like it and have friends who cheated and won. Does not have much weight compared to something that could maliciously be attacking your computer.
Cevo has run big tf2 tournaments that attracted the best competition in the past the big foot killer edge for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8mG47fhRgk Sure esea went bigger with lans ect... but to say they never have or couldn't do it or it's plagued by cheaters.... Isn't really represented by facts and talking about things that happened 10 years ago doesn't help the argument.
Cevo has run big tf2 tournaments that attracted the best competition in the past the big foot killer edge for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8mG47fhRgk Sure esea went bigger with lans ect... but to say they never have or couldn't do it or it's plagued by cheaters.... Isn't really represented by facts and talking about things that happened 10 years ago doesn't help the argument.
Ok ignore all the other arguments marmaduke has said and all the responses that have been given. I'm all for playing in both leagues and THEN coming to a conclusion on which one is better for the community. But do you guys really think it's a good idea to just up and abandon ESEA, a league that has offered stability from the start, and pray that CEVO works out without even trying it beforehand?? That just seems crazy to me. Why not support ESEA as your main league and test CEVO for stability on the side before you jump ship? I don't get it...isn't this exactly what happened with EU TF2 and ESL? We're making the same mistake...
Ok ignore all the other arguments marmaduke has said and all the responses that have been given. I'm all for playing in both leagues and THEN coming to a conclusion on which one is better for the community. But do you guys really think it's a good idea to just up and abandon ESEA, a league that has offered stability from the start, and pray that CEVO works out without even trying it beforehand?? That just seems crazy to me. Why not support ESEA as your main league and test CEVO for stability on the side before you jump ship? I don't get it...isn't this exactly what happened with EU TF2 and ESL? We're making the same mistake...
What pine beetle said. It's so simple I don't understand why there's even any debate. ESEA did really bad things. And recently. Then they sort of came clean, except more shit came out, meaning they lied earlier. There is no trust. I do not want to give them my money. How unproven CEVO may be is not relevant, I just know ESEA isn't having my money anymore. People here are way too willing to forgive really bad things. I guess in their head it's an easy problem: "We'll forgive these huge, recent transgressions because it's the best thing we have and it's proven and it's not that bad" But it really doesn't offer that much. How people think it's worth forgetting all the badness and keep pumping money into ESEA is beyond my understanding. This is basically a moral stand where you uphold your values instead of selling out and pretending nothing happened.
http://i.imgur.com/d8iU1XX.png
What pine beetle said. It's so simple I don't understand why there's even any debate. ESEA did really bad things. And recently. Then they sort of came clean, except more shit came out, meaning they lied earlier. There is no trust. I do not want to give them my money. How unproven CEVO may be is not relevant, I just know ESEA isn't having my money anymore. People here are way too willing to forgive really bad things. I guess in their head it's an easy problem: "We'll forgive these huge, recent transgressions because it's the best thing we have and it's proven and it's not that bad" But it really doesn't offer [i]that much[/i]. How people think it's worth forgetting all the badness and keep pumping money into ESEA is beyond my understanding. This is basically a moral stand where you uphold your values instead of selling out and pretending nothing happened.
http://i.imgur.com/d8iU1XX.png
http://i.imgur.com/d8iU1XX.png
jag, i love you man. you're one of my favorite people i've ever played with. but holy shit dude, nobody is acting like esea didn't do anything. most people aren't even forgiving them. esea may not offer much to YOU, but to myself and many other people esea offers a lot. stop trying to act like it doesn't offer anything for anybody, because thats just not true. you can't expect people to value the same things that you do.
jag, i love you man. you're one of my favorite people i've ever played with. but holy shit dude, nobody is acting like esea didn't do anything. most people aren't even forgiving them. esea may not offer much to YOU, but to myself and many other people esea offers a lot. stop trying to act like it doesn't offer anything for anybody, because thats just not true. you can't expect people to value the same things that you do.
honestly, this is like the 4th thread about which to play. just play what you want.
if you think CEVO is gonna be better, do it.
if you think ESEA is gonna be better, do it.
honestly, this is like the 4th thread about which to play. just play what you want.
if you think CEVO is gonna be better, do it.
if you think ESEA is gonna be better, do it.
if you think CEVO is gonna be better, do it.
if you think ESEA is gonna be better, do it.
blazeWhy not support ESEA as your main league and test CEVO for stability on the side before you jump ship? I don't get it...isn't this exactly what happened with EU TF2 and ESL? We're making the same mistake...
Sure is! Awful decision, but not as bad as ditching seasonal LANs.
[quote=blaze]Why not support ESEA as your main league and test CEVO for stability on the side before you jump ship? I don't get it...isn't this exactly what happened with EU TF2 and ESL? We're making the same mistake...[/quote]
Sure is! Awful decision, but not as bad as ditching seasonal LANs.
Sure is! Awful decision, but not as bad as ditching seasonal LANs.
JaguarFiendESEA did really bad things. And recently. Then they sort of came clean, except more shit came out, meaning they lied earlier. There is no trust. I do not want to give them my money. How unproven CEVO may be is not relevant, I just know ESEA isn't having my money anymore.
I don't understand this argument. ESEA set a price for a product that you deemed worth your money. You knowingly gave them your money, and received that product exactly as promised. You didn't give them your money because you trusted or liked lpkane - you did it because the service they offer the TF2 community is not available anywhere else, and until proven otherwise is still not. You trust that CEVO will deliver what they promised (I'm unsure if they have promised a LAN or not, but if not that should be a deal breaker if you value this community prospering), but ESEA do not require your trust. You know exactly what you're getting because you've already had it 13 times before. Essentially you are migrating to something that requires your trust because you trust them, the motivation for which is that you do not trust something that does not require your trust. Surely you see the logical disconnection here? I dunno, maybe I just have an apathetic approach because I really don't buy that any tangible negative consequences came about for TF2 players because of ESEAs transgressions. If I'm particularly wrong about that then disregard my argument, however my sentiment remains the same as I really believe ESEA LAN is what makes the NA TF2 scene so great. i49 proved EU/NA has very little skill difference, but my god there's a huge fucking difference in how interesting they are to follow and be a part of and ESEA LAN accounts for at least 90% of the difference.
[quote=JaguarFiend]ESEA did really bad things. And recently. Then they sort of came clean, except more shit came out, meaning they lied earlier. There is no trust. I do not want to give them my money. How unproven CEVO may be is not relevant, I just know ESEA isn't having my money anymore. [/quote]
I don't understand this argument. ESEA set a price for a product that you deemed worth your money. You knowingly gave them your money, and received that product exactly as promised. You didn't give them your money because you trusted or liked lpkane - you did it because the service they offer the TF2 community is not available anywhere else, and until proven otherwise is still not. You trust that CEVO will deliver what they promised (I'm unsure if they have promised a LAN or not, but if not that should be a deal breaker if you value this community prospering), but ESEA do not require your trust. You know exactly what you're getting because you've already had it 13 times before. Essentially you are migrating to something that requires your trust because you trust them, the motivation for which is that you do not trust something that does not require your trust. Surely you see the logical disconnection here? I dunno, maybe I just have an apathetic approach because I really don't buy that any tangible negative consequences came about for TF2 players because of ESEAs transgressions. If I'm particularly wrong about that then disregard my argument, however my sentiment remains the same as I really believe ESEA LAN is what makes the NA TF2 scene so great. i49 proved EU/NA has very little skill difference, but my god there's a huge fucking difference in how interesting they are to follow and be a part of and ESEA LAN accounts for at least 90% of the difference.
I don't understand this argument. ESEA set a price for a product that you deemed worth your money. You knowingly gave them your money, and received that product exactly as promised. You didn't give them your money because you trusted or liked lpkane - you did it because the service they offer the TF2 community is not available anywhere else, and until proven otherwise is still not. You trust that CEVO will deliver what they promised (I'm unsure if they have promised a LAN or not, but if not that should be a deal breaker if you value this community prospering), but ESEA do not require your trust. You know exactly what you're getting because you've already had it 13 times before. Essentially you are migrating to something that requires your trust because you trust them, the motivation for which is that you do not trust something that does not require your trust. Surely you see the logical disconnection here? I dunno, maybe I just have an apathetic approach because I really don't buy that any tangible negative consequences came about for TF2 players because of ESEAs transgressions. If I'm particularly wrong about that then disregard my argument, however my sentiment remains the same as I really believe ESEA LAN is what makes the NA TF2 scene so great. i49 proved EU/NA has very little skill difference, but my god there's a huge fucking difference in how interesting they are to follow and be a part of and ESEA LAN accounts for at least 90% of the difference.
I've posted a few times on why I changed my mind and decided not to give ESEA open a shot but I haven't given my thoughts on what is so appealing about CEVO.
As a long time TF2 player and a fan of the comp community I'm really EXCITED that there is another league making strides in the scene. I think it is so important to show CEVO our support this season and let them know how much we appreciate them making TF2 a bigger part of their organization.
I have no illusions of doing well in CEVO but I am happy to pay a small amount of money to give them incentive to keep supporting our game and to grow it into something awesome. I want to see another successful TF2 league. CEVO isn't going to be perfect the first season or two but I already see them making bigger strides than ESEA has in years.
I hope ESEA can turn things around and keep going strong. I enjoy watching lan finals but to say that TF2 is going to die if we don't have a North American lan for a season or two is ignorant and unimaginative. Even without a lan I feel better paying money to CEVO.
Get hyped! Three leagues running 6v6 TF2!
I've posted a few times on why I changed my mind and decided not to give ESEA open a shot but I haven't given my thoughts on what is so appealing about CEVO.
As a long time TF2 player and a fan of the comp community I'm really EXCITED that there is another league making strides in the scene. I think it is so important to show CEVO our support this season and let them know how much we appreciate them making TF2 a bigger part of their organization.
I have no illusions of doing well in CEVO but I am happy to pay a small amount of money to give them incentive to keep supporting our game and to grow it into something awesome. I want to see another successful TF2 league. CEVO isn't going to be perfect the first season or two but I already see them making bigger strides than ESEA has in years.
I hope ESEA can turn things around and keep going strong. I enjoy watching lan finals but to say that TF2 is going to die if we don't have a North American lan for a season or two is ignorant and unimaginative. Even without a lan I feel better paying money to CEVO.
Get hyped! Three leagues running 6v6 TF2!
As a long time TF2 player and a fan of the comp community I'm really EXCITED that there is another league making strides in the scene. I think it is so important to show CEVO our support this season and let them know how much we appreciate them making TF2 a bigger part of their organization.
I have no illusions of doing well in CEVO but I am happy to pay a small amount of money to give them incentive to keep supporting our game and to grow it into something awesome. I want to see another successful TF2 league. CEVO isn't going to be perfect the first season or two but I already see them making bigger strides than ESEA has in years.
I hope ESEA can turn things around and keep going strong. I enjoy watching lan finals but to say that TF2 is going to die if we don't have a North American lan for a season or two is ignorant and unimaginative. Even without a lan I feel better paying money to CEVO.
Get hyped! Three leagues running 6v6 TF2!
Kaidus it's a perfectly valid argument. He did not pay to have a anti-cheat client that could potentially do malicious things on his computer. There's little clarity as to what the client could actually do, and deleting the client required more than a standard uninstall. That alone is reason enough to not pay for the same thing again... Lans and higher level play don't matter when it's a personal choice where you want to play. There's plenty of reason not to go with esea. Did the client actually do anything to any tf2 players? Probably not. Has esea done come clean? Sort of I guess, they're also being generous with freemium and it seems like they are making a great effort to win back the community. But if people want to play in cevo because of potential security threats of the esea client... How is that in any way unreasonable? You can't tell someobody they don't value the community prospering when they chose to pay for a community based league. The argument for highlevel play is certainly true, unfortunately it's not reason enough for the average player who is just looking to play some tf2 to play in a league they do not feel safe using.
Kaidus it's a perfectly valid argument. He did not pay to have a anti-cheat client that could potentially do malicious things on his computer. There's little clarity as to what the client could actually do, and deleting the client required more than a standard uninstall. That alone is reason enough to not pay for the same thing again... Lans and higher level play don't matter when it's a personal choice where you want to play. There's plenty of reason not to go with esea. Did the client actually do anything to any tf2 players? Probably not. Has esea done come clean? Sort of I guess, they're also being generous with freemium and it seems like they are making a great effort to win back the community. But if people want to play in cevo because of potential security threats of the esea client... How is that in any way unreasonable? You can't tell someobody they don't value the community prospering when they chose to pay for a community based league. The argument for highlevel play is certainly true, unfortunately it's not reason enough for the average player who is just looking to play some tf2 to play in a league they do not feel safe using.
Bubbahonestly, this is like the 4th thread about which to play. just play what you want.
if you think CEVO is gonna be better, do it.
if you think ESEA is gonna be better, do it.
except the fact that people are being swayed over by powerful figures and causing a split between the community, potentially resulting to the loss of a league that offers a lan.
idk man can anyone explain why splitting the community to different leagues is better? i never understood why people think it's a good thing
[quote=Bubba]honestly, this is like the 4th thread about which to play. just play what you want.
if you think CEVO is gonna be better, do it.
if you think ESEA is gonna be better, do it.[/quote]
except the fact that people are being swayed over by powerful figures and causing a split between the community, potentially resulting to the loss of a league that offers a lan.
idk man can anyone explain why splitting the community to different leagues is better? i never understood why people think it's a good thing
if you think CEVO is gonna be better, do it.
if you think ESEA is gonna be better, do it.[/quote]
except the fact that people are being swayed over by powerful figures and causing a split between the community, potentially resulting to the loss of a league that offers a lan.
idk man can anyone explain why splitting the community to different leagues is better? i never understood why people think it's a good thing
It just seems so dramatic to make out like playing in ESEA poses such a huge threat, and completely senseless when you factor in what you risk losing.
It just seems so dramatic to make out like playing in ESEA poses such a huge threat, and completely senseless when you factor in what you risk losing.
Oblivionage
except the fact that people are being swayed over by powerful figures and causing a split between the community, potentially resulting to the loss of a league that offers a lan.
idk man can anyone explain why splitting the community to different leagues is better? i never understood why people think it's a good thing
Competing leagues is generally a good thing just as competing businesses is a good thing. One improving means the other has to change to keep up.
The issue at hand is the two leagues are currently competing for an exceedingly small player base. Moreover, an even smaller but extremely important sub set of that player base is, more or less, completely fucked by the split.
Is losing LAN worth the risk of CEVO being better than ESEA? Maybe in the long run, but not having enough open teams to run ESEA in the meantime is absolutely awful for maintaining what little hype this game has going for it.
[quote=Oblivionage]
except the fact that people are being swayed over by powerful figures and causing a split between the community, potentially resulting to the loss of a league that offers a lan.
idk man can anyone explain why splitting the community to different leagues is better? i never understood why people think it's a good thing[/quote]
Competing leagues is generally a good thing just as competing businesses is a good thing. One improving means the other has to change to keep up.
The issue at hand is the two leagues are currently competing for an exceedingly small player base. Moreover, an even smaller but extremely important sub set of that player base is, more or less, completely fucked by the split.
Is losing LAN worth the risk of CEVO being better than ESEA? Maybe in the long run, but not having enough open teams to run ESEA in the meantime is absolutely awful for maintaining what little hype this game has going for it.
except the fact that people are being swayed over by powerful figures and causing a split between the community, potentially resulting to the loss of a league that offers a lan.
idk man can anyone explain why splitting the community to different leagues is better? i never understood why people think it's a good thing[/quote]
Competing leagues is generally a good thing just as competing businesses is a good thing. One improving means the other has to change to keep up.
The issue at hand is the two leagues are currently competing for an exceedingly small player base. Moreover, an even smaller but extremely important sub set of that player base is, more or less, completely fucked by the split.
Is losing LAN worth the risk of CEVO being better than ESEA? Maybe in the long run, but not having enough open teams to run ESEA in the meantime is absolutely awful for maintaining what little hype this game has going for it.
kaidusI don't understand this argument. ESEA set a price for a product that you deemed worth your money. You knowingly gave them your money, and received that product exactly as promised.
Raise your hands if you paid for a program to mine Bitcoins on your PC without informing you. Raise your hands if you paid for a program that can invade your PC and see everything on it without informing you.
[quote=kaidus]I don't understand this argument. ESEA set a price for a product that you deemed worth your money. You knowingly gave them your money, and received that product exactly as promised.[/quote]
Raise your hands if you paid for a program to mine Bitcoins on your PC without informing you. Raise your hands if you paid for a program that can invade your PC and see everything on it without informing you.
Raise your hands if you paid for a program to mine Bitcoins on your PC without informing you. Raise your hands if you paid for a program that can invade your PC and see everything on it without informing you.
pine_beetleTelling people to play in esea instead of cevo until YOU think it's good enough isn't going to change anything and you are being completely ignorant as to why they made the switch in the first place.
i've said multiple times people should play in both if they can, but if they have to choose one league i think they should continue to support our league that has a lan and is proven.
pine_beetleCevo has run big tf2 tournaments that attracted the best competition in the past the big foot killer edge for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8mG47fhRgk Sure esea went bigger with lans ect... but to say they never have or couldn't do it or it's plagued by cheaters.... Isn't really represented by facts and talking about things that happened 10 years ago doesn't help the argument.
? that's not a lan, and some small tournament prize is not going to entice someone to privately code cheats or buy privately coded cheats. winning cevo-p (ONLINE) for $10,000 just might be though...
i think in literally every single post i've made so far i've hammered home the point that i think esea is flawed as fuck but i also think cevo is, yet every single one of you has skimmed over that part or some shit. i don't think either league is perfect--i think they're both far from it. i just think we shouldnt abandon the league that over the past 15 seasons has been more stable and has a LAN, at least until the "new guy" has consistently proved himself
you all act like i want cevo to fail and for us to be stuck in the shittiest league possible, why the fuck would i want that?
IVE NEVER BEEN TO LAN FOLKS I'VE BEEN 1-15 THE PAST TWO SEASONS. NOT LIKE IM GONNA MISS WHAT IVE NEVER HAD.
oh and to all the idiots whose main argument is "bro no one wants to hear about shit from like 37 years ago"
a) it wasn't THAT long ago
b) i'm trying to say that we should remember the past in order to secure the future.
don't throw all your eggs in one basket and be shocked when that shitty basket whose handle ripped and broke all your eggs rips again. then you have no eggs. give that patched up shitty handle having basket a second chance, sure, but give that fucker like 20% of your eggs, not 100.
[quote=pine_beetle]Telling people to play in esea instead of cevo until YOU think it's good enough isn't going to change anything and you are being completely ignorant as to why they made the switch in the first place.[/quote]
i've said multiple times people should play in both if they can, but if they have to choose one league i think they should continue to support our league that has a lan and is proven.
[quote=pine_beetle]Cevo has run big tf2 tournaments that attracted the best competition in the past the big foot killer edge for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8mG47fhRgk Sure esea went bigger with lans ect... but to say they never have or couldn't do it or it's plagued by cheaters.... Isn't really represented by facts and talking about things that happened 10 years ago doesn't help the argument.[/quote]
? that's not a lan, and some small tournament prize is not going to entice someone to privately code cheats or buy privately coded cheats. winning cevo-p (ONLINE) for $10,000 just might be though...
i think in literally every single post i've made so far i've hammered home the point that i think esea is flawed as fuck but i [b]also[/b] think cevo is, yet every single one of you has skimmed over that part or some shit. i don't think either league is perfect--i think they're both far from it. i just think we shouldnt abandon the league that over the past 15 seasons has been more stable and has a LAN, at least until the "new guy" has [i]consistently[/i] proved himself
you all act like i want cevo to fail and for us to be stuck in the shittiest league possible, why the fuck would i want that?
IVE NEVER BEEN TO LAN FOLKS I'VE BEEN 1-15 THE PAST TWO SEASONS. NOT LIKE IM GONNA MISS WHAT IVE NEVER HAD.
oh and to all the idiots whose main argument is "bro no one wants to hear about shit from like 37 years ago"
a) it wasn't THAT long ago
b) i'm trying to say that we should remember the past in order to secure the future.
don't throw all your eggs in one basket and be shocked when that shitty basket whose handle ripped and broke all your eggs rips again. then you have no eggs. give that patched up shitty handle having basket a second chance, sure, but give that fucker like 20% of your eggs, not 100.
i've said multiple times people should play in both if they can, but if they have to choose one league i think they should continue to support our league that has a lan and is proven.
[quote=pine_beetle]Cevo has run big tf2 tournaments that attracted the best competition in the past the big foot killer edge for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8mG47fhRgk Sure esea went bigger with lans ect... but to say they never have or couldn't do it or it's plagued by cheaters.... Isn't really represented by facts and talking about things that happened 10 years ago doesn't help the argument.[/quote]
? that's not a lan, and some small tournament prize is not going to entice someone to privately code cheats or buy privately coded cheats. winning cevo-p (ONLINE) for $10,000 just might be though...
i think in literally every single post i've made so far i've hammered home the point that i think esea is flawed as fuck but i [b]also[/b] think cevo is, yet every single one of you has skimmed over that part or some shit. i don't think either league is perfect--i think they're both far from it. i just think we shouldnt abandon the league that over the past 15 seasons has been more stable and has a LAN, at least until the "new guy" has [i]consistently[/i] proved himself
you all act like i want cevo to fail and for us to be stuck in the shittiest league possible, why the fuck would i want that?
IVE NEVER BEEN TO LAN FOLKS I'VE BEEN 1-15 THE PAST TWO SEASONS. NOT LIKE IM GONNA MISS WHAT IVE NEVER HAD.
oh and to all the idiots whose main argument is "bro no one wants to hear about shit from like 37 years ago"
a) it wasn't THAT long ago
b) i'm trying to say that we should remember the past in order to secure the future.
don't throw all your eggs in one basket and be shocked when that shitty basket whose handle ripped and broke all your eggs rips again. then you have no eggs. give that patched up shitty handle having basket a second chance, sure, but give that fucker like 20% of your eggs, not 100.
Play both. Competition is beneficial to us, the consumers.
"Competition is not only the basis of protection to the consumer, but is the incentive to progress."
Herbert Hoover
Give these leagues some incentive to improve their product.
Play both. Competition is beneficial to us, the consumers.
"Competition is not only the basis of protection to the consumer, but is the incentive to progress."
Herbert Hoover
Give these leagues some incentive to improve their product.
"Competition is not only the basis of protection to the consumer, but is the incentive to progress."
Herbert Hoover
Give these leagues some incentive to improve their product.
Alot of people are saying that teams should play in both leagues if they can
But what if teams can't play in both leagues for whatever reasons? How do they choose between ESEA and CEVO?
Alot of people are saying that teams should play in both leagues if they can
But what if teams can't play in both leagues for whatever reasons? How do they choose between ESEA and CEVO?
But what if teams can't play in both leagues for whatever reasons? How do they choose between ESEA and CEVO?
imo support esea. cevo hasn't proven themselves as our new "go to" league, so support the league that has a lan and has been our home for ~14 seasons. if you hate it, go play cevo next season.
or, you can play cevo, maybe you like it maybe they drop the ball. esea drops tf2. if cevo drops the ball, you have no esea to return to.
imo support esea. cevo hasn't proven themselves as our new "go to" league, so support the league that has a lan and has been our home for ~14 seasons. if you hate it, go play cevo next season.
or, you can play cevo, maybe you like it maybe they drop the ball. esea drops tf2. if cevo drops the ball, you have no esea to return to.
or, you can play cevo, maybe you like it maybe they drop the ball. esea drops tf2. if cevo drops the ball, you have no esea to return to.
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic&id=547742
Possibility for a community LAN before ESEA LAN finals.
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic&id=547742
Possibility for a community LAN before ESEA LAN finals.
Possibility for a community LAN before ESEA LAN finals.
marmadukeGRYLLSimo support esea. cevo hasn't proven themselves as our new "go to" league, so support the league that has a lan and has been our home for ~14 seasons. if you hate it, go play cevo next season.
or, you can play cevo, maybe you like it maybe they drop the ball. esea drops tf2. if cevo drops the ball, you have no esea to return to.
If I'm in open why should I particularly care if ESEA has lan? I get that it is for greater competition and all, and I do like seeing the top teams compete, but honestly why does it matter when it will probably be Mixup vs b4nnys team?
If cevo does drop the ball and there is no esea to return to then there will probably be a new league to join, if the demand of competition is high, then some group will take advantage of the situation and provide them what they want, which is pretty much what cevo is doing right now.
Alot of people are also saying ESEA has the greater competition (in open). I think CEVO has almost 100 teams signed up for their open while ESEA has about 20 or so. Obviously not all 100 of those teams are going be paid and ready for the season and obviously since its CEVOs first serious season there will be teams such as budsquad in open which is basically the problem ESEA open had last season. So then what happens when most of the open teams shift from ESEA to CEVO like we are seeing? Does the claim that ESEA having a stronger open scene stop being valid?
It seems to be that the self fulfilling prophecy of people not wanting to join ESEA because people are saying ESEA was going to die may come true and that certainly is being a deterrent to people wanting to sign up there.
[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS]imo support esea. cevo hasn't proven themselves as our new "go to" league, so support the league that has a lan and has been our home for ~14 seasons. if you hate it, go play cevo next season.
or, you can play cevo, maybe you like it maybe they drop the ball. esea drops tf2. if cevo drops the ball, you have no esea to return to.[/quote]
If I'm in open why should I particularly care if ESEA has lan? I get that it is for greater competition and all, and I do like seeing the top teams compete, but honestly why does it matter when it will probably be Mixup vs b4nnys team?
If cevo does drop the ball and there is no esea to return to then there will probably be a new league to join, if the demand of competition is high, then some group will take advantage of the situation and provide them what they want, which is pretty much what cevo is doing right now.
Alot of people are also saying ESEA has the greater competition (in open). I think CEVO has almost 100 teams signed up for their open while ESEA has about 20 or so. Obviously not all 100 of those teams are going be paid and ready for the season and obviously since its CEVOs first serious season there will be teams such as budsquad in open which is basically the problem ESEA open had last season. So then what happens when most of the open teams shift from ESEA to CEVO like we are seeing? Does the claim that ESEA having a stronger open scene stop being valid?
It seems to be that the self fulfilling prophecy of people not wanting to join ESEA because people are saying ESEA was going to die may come true and that certainly is being a deterrent to people wanting to sign up there.
or, you can play cevo, maybe you like it maybe they drop the ball. esea drops tf2. if cevo drops the ball, you have no esea to return to.[/quote]
If I'm in open why should I particularly care if ESEA has lan? I get that it is for greater competition and all, and I do like seeing the top teams compete, but honestly why does it matter when it will probably be Mixup vs b4nnys team?
If cevo does drop the ball and there is no esea to return to then there will probably be a new league to join, if the demand of competition is high, then some group will take advantage of the situation and provide them what they want, which is pretty much what cevo is doing right now.
Alot of people are also saying ESEA has the greater competition (in open). I think CEVO has almost 100 teams signed up for their open while ESEA has about 20 or so. Obviously not all 100 of those teams are going be paid and ready for the season and obviously since its CEVOs first serious season there will be teams such as budsquad in open which is basically the problem ESEA open had last season. So then what happens when most of the open teams shift from ESEA to CEVO like we are seeing? Does the claim that ESEA having a stronger open scene stop being valid?
It seems to be that the self fulfilling prophecy of people not wanting to join ESEA because people are saying ESEA was going to die may come true and that certainly is being a deterrent to people wanting to sign up there.
powergamerIf I'm in open why should I particularly care if ESEA has lan? I get that it is for greater competition and all, and I do like seeing the top teams compete, but honestly why does it matter when it will probably be Mixup vs b4nnys team?
If cevo does drop the ball and there is no esea to return to then there will probably be a new league to join, if the demand of competition is high, then some group will take advantage of the situation and provide them what they want, which is pretty much what cevo is doing right now.
Alot of people are also saying ESEA has the greater competition (in open). I think CEVO has almost 100 teams signed up for their open while ESEA has about 20 or so. Obviously not all 100 of those teams are going be paid and ready for the season and obviously since its CEVOs first serious season there will be teams such as budsquad in open which is basically the problem ESEA open had last season. So then what happens when most of the open teams shift from ESEA to CEVO like we are seeing? Does the claim that ESEA having a stronger open scene stop being valid?
It seems to be that the self fulfilling prophecy of people not wanting to join ESEA because people are saying ESEA was going to die may come true and that certainly is being a deterrent to people wanting to sign up there.
Why would you continue playing competitively if there is no goal to reach? In theory you're in open to get to IM/Main and eventually invite and LAN. If getting better is not your goal, then why not just play UGC?
[quote=powergamer]
If I'm in open why should I particularly care if ESEA has lan? I get that it is for greater competition and all, and I do like seeing the top teams compete, but honestly why does it matter when it will probably be Mixup vs b4nnys team?
If cevo does drop the ball and there is no esea to return to then there will probably be a new league to join, if the demand of competition is high, then some group will take advantage of the situation and provide them what they want, which is pretty much what cevo is doing right now.
Alot of people are also saying ESEA has the greater competition (in open). I think CEVO has almost 100 teams signed up for their open while ESEA has about 20 or so. Obviously not all 100 of those teams are going be paid and ready for the season and obviously since its CEVOs first serious season there will be teams such as budsquad in open which is basically the problem ESEA open had last season. So then what happens when most of the open teams shift from ESEA to CEVO like we are seeing? Does the claim that ESEA having a stronger open scene stop being valid?
It seems to be that the self fulfilling prophecy of people not wanting to join ESEA because people are saying ESEA was going to die may come true and that certainly is being a deterrent to people wanting to sign up there.[/quote]
Why would you continue playing competitively if there is no goal to reach? In theory you're in open to get to IM/Main and eventually invite and LAN. If getting better is not your goal, then why not just play UGC?
If I'm in open why should I particularly care if ESEA has lan? I get that it is for greater competition and all, and I do like seeing the top teams compete, but honestly why does it matter when it will probably be Mixup vs b4nnys team?
If cevo does drop the ball and there is no esea to return to then there will probably be a new league to join, if the demand of competition is high, then some group will take advantage of the situation and provide them what they want, which is pretty much what cevo is doing right now.
Alot of people are also saying ESEA has the greater competition (in open). I think CEVO has almost 100 teams signed up for their open while ESEA has about 20 or so. Obviously not all 100 of those teams are going be paid and ready for the season and obviously since its CEVOs first serious season there will be teams such as budsquad in open which is basically the problem ESEA open had last season. So then what happens when most of the open teams shift from ESEA to CEVO like we are seeing? Does the claim that ESEA having a stronger open scene stop being valid?
It seems to be that the self fulfilling prophecy of people not wanting to join ESEA because people are saying ESEA was going to die may come true and that certainly is being a deterrent to people wanting to sign up there.[/quote]
Why would you continue playing competitively if there is no goal to reach? In theory you're in open to get to IM/Main and eventually invite and LAN. If getting better is not your goal, then why not just play UGC?
I find it hard to believe you think if there wasn't a LAN people would lose all desire to get better. I think LAN is great and is a good way to standardize finals but they aren't absolutely required like alot of people feel they are.
Don't get me wrong, I want there to be strong enough competition and support for a LAN to exist, but when a basis for an argument to join a league is "we have LAN" I feel you are reaching pretty deep.
I find it hard to believe you think if there wasn't a LAN people would lose all desire to get better. I think LAN is great and is a good way to standardize finals but they aren't absolutely required like alot of people feel they are.
Don't get me wrong, I want there to be strong enough competition and support for a LAN to exist, but when a basis for an argument to join a league is "we have LAN" I feel you are reaching pretty deep.
Don't get me wrong, I want there to be strong enough competition and support for a LAN to exist, but when a basis for an argument to join a league is "we have LAN" I feel you are reaching pretty deep.
powergamerI find it hard to believe you think if there wasn't a LAN people would lose all desire to get better. I think LAN is great and is a good way to standardize finals but they aren't absolutely required like alot of people feel they are.
Don't get me wrong, I want there to be strong enough competition and support for a LAN to exist, but when a basis for an argument to join a league is "we have LAN" I feel you are reaching pretty deep.
the great part about lan is that it's an even playing field. no dispute over what server to host finals on (so no ping advantage) everyone has good fps, and it's 100% confirmed that no one is cheating. when you put big money on the line on online events you're going to have people trying to cheat for an easy payday. without a lan all the perks of the even playing field disappear and all the drawbacks of playing from home appear.
[quote=powergamer]I find it hard to believe you think if there wasn't a LAN people would lose all desire to get better. I think LAN is great and is a good way to standardize finals but they aren't absolutely required like alot of people feel they are.
Don't get me wrong, I want there to be strong enough competition and support for a LAN to exist, but when a basis for an argument to join a league is "we have LAN" I feel you are reaching pretty deep.[/quote]
the great part about lan is that it's an even playing field. no dispute over what server to host finals on (so no ping advantage) everyone has good fps, and it's 100% confirmed that no one is cheating. when you put big money on the line on online events you're going to have people trying to cheat for an easy payday. without a lan all the perks of the even playing field disappear and all the drawbacks of playing from home appear.
Don't get me wrong, I want there to be strong enough competition and support for a LAN to exist, but when a basis for an argument to join a league is "we have LAN" I feel you are reaching pretty deep.[/quote]
the great part about lan is that it's an even playing field. no dispute over what server to host finals on (so no ping advantage) everyone has good fps, and it's 100% confirmed that no one is cheating. when you put big money on the line on online events you're going to have people trying to cheat for an easy payday. without a lan all the perks of the even playing field disappear and all the drawbacks of playing from home appear.
What part of me saying I think its a good way to standardize finals did you miss
What part of me saying I think its a good way to standardize finals did you miss
powergamerWhat part of me saying I think its a good way to standardize finals did you miss
are you unaware that you said not having a lan wasn't a big deal/required or a good selling point for a league?
we are one of the ONLY fps games in NA/the world that has a league with a lan for a decent cash prize. what other fps does? quake, cs:go, ???
i hate to break the news to you guys but we aren't gonna be the next LoL/dota2. sure we'll get some small growth but right now esea lans+small local lans are going to be as good as it gets for LAN tf2. why would we willingly let that go?
[quote=powergamer]What part of me saying I think its a good way to standardize finals did you miss[/quote]
are you unaware that you said not having a lan wasn't a big deal/required or a good selling point for a league?
we are one of the ONLY fps games in NA/the world that has a league with a lan for a decent cash prize. what other fps does? quake, cs:go, ???
i hate to break the news to you guys but we aren't gonna be the next LoL/dota2. sure we'll get some small growth but right now esea lans+small local lans are going to be as good as it gets for LAN tf2. why would we willingly let that go?
are you unaware that you said not having a lan wasn't a big deal/required or a good selling point for a league?
we are one of the ONLY fps games in NA/the world that has a league with a lan for a decent cash prize. what other fps does? quake, cs:go, ???
i hate to break the news to you guys but we aren't gonna be the next LoL/dota2. sure we'll get some small growth but right now esea lans+small local lans are going to be as good as it gets for LAN tf2. why would we willingly let that go?
marmadukeGRYLLSwe are one of the ONLY fps games in NA/the world that has a league with a lan for a decent cash prize. what other fps does? quake, cs:go, ???
cough*
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/
cough*
http://insomniagamingfestival.com/
best part .. they don't come with one of these
[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS]
we are one of the ONLY fps games in NA/the world that has a league with a lan for a decent cash prize. what other fps does? quake, cs:go, ???[/quote]
cough*
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/
cough*
http://insomniagamingfestival.com/
best part .. they don't come with one of these
[img]http://i.imgur.com/kkMxZGG.png[/img]
we are one of the ONLY fps games in NA/the world that has a league with a lan for a decent cash prize. what other fps does? quake, cs:go, ???[/quote]
cough*
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/
cough*
http://insomniagamingfestival.com/
best part .. they don't come with one of these
[img]http://i.imgur.com/kkMxZGG.png[/img]
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