Well I think most open players don't have any reason to be attached to ESEA. For them, CEVO is cheaper and offers pretty much the same size prize pool for open. For them there isn't really a downside of moving to CEVO, at least one that is immediately evident.

you honestly have no idea what you're talking about bublasore, have you even read this thread rofl who the hell are these fools voting woot as the best demoman? At what point did smart play and good aim become overlooked in favor of random mouse flicking and laying stickies everywhere in between constant failed jumps on the enemy medic. Obviously a better teammate than destro or solid, who actually attempt to do damage rather than just cleanup garbage frags.

here is a fun game: download a woot demo or stv of his team and attempt to count the number of shots which are aimed. Place bets with friends in mumble over how many times he will stickyjump into the other team to make up for his lack of dming ability. I know it's tempting to spec sureshot carrying him but take the time to truly observe this demoman and try to decipher what exactly he is attempting to do for his team at any given time. and if you still think he is good go to steam, right click tf2, select "delete local content" and take up a mw2 gaming career.

ESEA has a much more substantial history than CEVO.

Did you actually run ESEA client during that offseason time (while not pugging on ESEA)? As far as I remember ESEA pugs died real soon after the "push" with captaining and what not. Also, keep in mind that bitcoin mining generally isn't suppose to kill your GPU(s), or else I doubt so many people would buy GPUs just to mine.

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in my lower bracket finals game an admin threatened to overturn our match because one of my teamates asked admin 'mr. smith' if there was a mrs. smith ; )

wasnt actually smith the mr part is what's important here

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#463 there's many reasons open players should want esea to continue.(i'm an open player)

1. Better competition.

2. Far better website(match scheduling, stats, stv downloads).

3. They have the better client. Better anti-cheat, plenty of servers as our disposable, it's more reliable, and easier to use.

4. Lan

I understand people are upset, but take a step back and think about what you and this community are potentially losing by trying to stick it to esea. Competitive tf2 is going to take a huge step backwards and all for what? Because people are overreacting to an issue that almost certainly didn't affect them in any way. What happens when cevo fucks up and there's no esea to go back to? People aren't thinking about that, they're so focused on trying to get back at esea they don't think about what's actually best for everyone.

What ESEA has to offer: Better competition & LAN = the drive to reach the top where the playing field is even, so it all comes down to individual capabilities and teamwork.

ESEA also had to resort to freemium codes for TF2, seriously? They're trying to keep TF2 in ESEA, despite the fact that they LOSE money because of TF2. That really should say something to you.

CEVO's position on LAN is not guaranteed, and a majority of the competition will die.
What's the point of trying as hard?

Also, wouldn't you want to go to LAN to meet your teammates/the best players NA TF2 has to offer?

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It has nothing to do with "sticking it to ESEA" or "getting back at ESEA" for some imagined harm caused by the bitcoin mining. The TF2 community cant "punish" ESEA for their actions because we are insignificant to them and they do not care about our business. What we can do is get out of this shitty relationship now before any more resources and time are wasted on a league that has consistently offered us a poor product for years. We are not trying to make ESEA be a better TF2 league by boycotting them until they fix their issues. We are severing all ties and looking for a future without them.

if you keep esea alive you make esea lose money since tf2 is a money loss for them, isnt that a better way to spite them than killing esea?

that's the point. It isnt about spiting ESEA. It is about bettering TF2 by getting out of a league that isnt good for us.

I don't give a fuck what happens. No matter how it all ends, I will be playing TF2.

So we are leaving a league with bigger prize pots, a better anti-cheat and lan for a league with a shitty anti-cheat, small prizes and no lan. I don't understand how this is good for TF2 at all.

no he knows better than anyone else what's best for the game stop wasting your efforts

Even though I want ESEA to survive, I just wanted to point some things out about CEVO (also I'm procrastinating). My responses are in green.

I really think we should support both leagues, but I'm just going to call ESEA dead. If we're lucky, we could get 30 new teams with an extension, which would solely be based on the amount of CSGO teams ready.

TF2 is going to die, be sent back years in terms of progress, stay the same as with ESEA, or be better than before. I doubt it's going to be the last one.

to me, esea gave you a special kind of feeling. you launched the client and everyone had to ready up individually, there was a lot more feeling put into it because of how different it was from a scrim. rollouts made you kind of nervous because right before that you saw GOING LIVE across your screen and you knew it was time to really play. cevo feels like its a scrim where the stats page plays pokemon music for us. this is basically a different version of ugc that took some money.

i'm sad that esea is gone, but at least i have a team to play tf2 with

rip live on three.

In case you guys were wondering, if ESEA does die you can sign your team up for CEVO up until Week 7. As long as you pay up you can complete the season. My team decided that they wanted to pay the ESEA league fees, and if it falls apart we'll have a backup plan.

Week 1 begins this week.

It is sort of irrelevant what each of us thinks is best for the game. All I am trying to point out is that the motivations from people on either side are the same - being the desire for the best possible future for the game we play. Obviously there is a lot of disagreement about that topic, but chalking the entire movement against ESEA up to people throwing a temper tantrum about bitcoins seriously misjudges the situation.

i think the people that actually cared signed up for both leagues n.n

Another thing that made this whole situation possible is that almost all of the people supporting the switch to cevo... have never played cevo. I've asked many people who are campaigning this whole anti-esea thing, and only 2 of them have ever played cevo before. They have no perspective to compare the two. How can you choose a side when one side is completely unknown to you? It's really hard for me to understand that. That's why i'm saying the people who support this are, in my opinion, misjudging the situation. They don't actually know what they're supporting.

All they know is that their friends told them esea is the bad guy and now its time to change, no questions asked, lets roll with it. This community needs to think for themselves, and I don't mean as a whole, I mean each individual person. Stop following the leader. There's so much of that on these forums it almost makes me sick. How many people in this community made their decision off little to no information? I would say the vast majority from what i've gathered.

What if the featured match of yesterday was actually the content being broadcasted by twitchplayspokemon??

In addition to listening to pokemon while playing, I'm not comfortable with the possibility that the server owner could waste my time by enabling cheats or doing something really stupid during mid match since they have the rcon.

I have said it before but I will say it again, for the 7-8 seasons I have been playing and following etf2l, I have not heard of a single instance where a server owner used the server to his own advantage, and there have been dozens of thousands of matches played since I have been playing.

The league you should be playing should always have some backup neutral servers anyways, that's what happens when both teams can't agree on a server nor you feel comfortable playing on one of their servers, you request one to the admins.

To be honest I prefer to play matches in a player owned server, we try to play all matches on our server because that allows not only for all the logs to be uploaded on my account but I also have access to all the stv demos if I need them and it's more convenient team-wise.

have you actually played scrims where someone turns on sv_cheats? i've never heard of that. i also doubt a team would pay a league fee just so they can dick around with rcon when they get home team

i mean sure they can turn on sv_cheats but theyll probably get cevo representatives to their house to break their shins with spike bats if they do

What's really going to be sad is when 6 months later rolls around and you're all left looking at each other asking yourselves "Why did we do this? There was no reason to". If you kill ESEA and CEVO turns out to be crap and competition of a not so serious nature which people don't find fun, ESEA won't be waiting for our return. So then you, the open players, will selfishly destroy what people have been working so hard to build up for years. lpkane doesn't do the work, Killing does it. We do it. We show up, we pay, we play the damn game and make it competitive and fun. As far as i'm concerned ESEA is a template, and it's the best template for us to use to drive our organized competition. Stop making this about being against ESEA. Killing and Kalkin previously ran ESEA-TF2, nobody else. And he's done a good job, and an even better one if some of you nitwits realize how much pointless badgering and nonsense he has to put up with on a daily basis for nothing but the good of the game. CEVO will take years just to become as good as ESEA and at that point the game will be even closer to the point of no return. Your 2 major complaints are savings 20 cents a day and having heal stats? Jesus fucking christ people. God gave you a brain to use it. You're going to kill off the top level competition and your main concern is if people are going to use cheats on private servers during matches?

Perhaps the game is already close to death if the new comers would rather play in a less competitive league to use their *kewl* unbanned weapons and just enjoy pub scrimming instead of playing the best competition for a real pay to play prize league with a LAN. Progress, not regress. Very hard to just do a total re-working of the system when the game is 7 years old. To the newbies this game isn't new just because you found out it became F2P.

P.S. please save the bullshit comments like "I may be new but i've been watching streams for 4 years and just decided to start playing yesterday, so yeah I know what i'm talking about."

there is no point thinking about hypothetical situations at this point since you can do the same from either side

just gotta roll with the punches, yo

anyone that actually enjoys playing the game in competitive 6s format will probably support the game until it completely dies and none of us will know what will really happen until it happens, so hopefully everyone does not just abandon the game if ESEA does drop tf2

maybe cevo can figure out a way to piggyback on a lan or maybe the game will completely die or maybe a new league will pop out of thin air

there are a myriad of scenarios that can play out in the next few months, and the only way to see what will really happen is to continue supporting the scene (or stop playing)

I hate to say this 500 times, but keep in mind the worst thing that could happen if your team registers for esea and it dies is that you'll get your money back. So please, esea teams, pay your fees today.