http://www.50dkp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1960&sid=2db046556a912f531100a0bc68d2e4a1
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50DKP pubs nerfing Rocket Jumper & Market Gardner
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to be fair, it is pretty gay. they can do w/e they want with their server.
to be fair, it is pretty gay. they can do w/e they want with their server.
As much as I understand the want to give us awareness for this issue, shouldn't this issue be discussed on the forum you linked us to?
It's a problem only within the 50DKP community, after all.
As much as I understand the want to give us awareness for this issue, shouldn't this issue be discussed on the forum you linked us to?
It's a problem only within the 50DKP community, after all.
It's a problem only within the 50DKP community, after all.
Why should we care? If it's ruining their quality standards in their pub server, it's their right to do so. Plenty of crappy pubs skillban people anyways.
Why should we care? If it's ruining their quality standards in their pub server, it's their right to do so. Plenty of crappy pubs skillban people anyways.
See, the important part of this is that 50DKP bought ESEA, so they are going to implement all these balance changes to 6v6.
OBVSLY
See, the important part of this is that 50DKP bought ESEA, so they are going to implement all these balance changes to 6v6.
OBVSLY
OBVSLY
Not as bad as STAR's server, where minisentries have 50 hp and the caber and enforcer drain your health.
Not as bad as STAR's server, where minisentries have 50 hp and the caber and enforcer drain your health.
Sounds like he got killed by a market gardener soldier one too many times.
Sounds like he got killed by a market gardener soldier one too many times.
vanillaSounds like he got killed by a market gardener soldier one too many times.
According to the friend that linked me, Anthal made the choice after a round of Badwater where he was constantly being killed by about 3 trolldiers.
[quote=vanilla]Sounds like he got killed by a market gardener soldier one too many times.[/quote]
According to the friend that linked me, Anthal made the choice after a round of Badwater where he was constantly being killed by about 3 trolldiers.
According to the friend that linked me, Anthal made the choice after a round of Badwater where he was constantly being killed by about 3 trolldiers.
d3ny"I run on sweet, sweet pubber tears"
lost it
We now know who's tears those are (his).
IT'S A PUB, people can do what they want.
[quote=d3ny]"I run on sweet, sweet pubber tears"
lost it[/quote]
We now know who's tears those are (his).
IT'S A PUB, people can do what they want.
lost it[/quote]
We now know who's tears those are (his).
IT'S A PUB, people can do what they want.
when u have 3 people on your team effectively doing nothing because they think they r boink (they arent) then it p much ruins the game
when u have 3 people on your team effectively doing nothing because they think they r boink (they arent) then it p much ruins the game
http://www.50dkp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1960&start=60&p=24888#p24888
@OP: why have you involved yourself w/ these people to any degree
http://www.50dkp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1960&start=60&p=24888#p24888
@OP: why have you involved yourself w/ these people to any degree
@OP: why have you involved yourself w/ these people to any degree
The difference being that the MG can 1 shot all but 2 classes with 1 hit while the soldier takes little to no damage, where as the caber can only 1 hit 4 classes, and usually takes out the demo along with it.
does he actually think the MG is overpowered?
[quote]The difference being that the MG can 1 shot all but 2 classes with 1 hit while the soldier takes little to no damage, where as the caber can only 1 hit 4 classes, and usually takes out the demo along with it.[/quote]
does he actually think the MG is overpowered?
does he actually think the MG is overpowered?
Yeah, and it actually isnt compared to the escape plan.
Yeah, and it actually isnt compared to the escape plan.
i was on a dm server and two nerds were jumping across the map, and using shotty it was annoying because all it was, was a distraction from me playing
i was on a dm server and two nerds were jumping across the map, and using shotty it was annoying because all it was, was a distraction from me playing
RadmanYeah, and it actually isnt compared to the escape plan.
they're both overpowered to varying degrees
[quote=Radman]Yeah, and it actually isnt compared to the escape plan.[/quote]
they're both overpowered to varying degrees
they're both overpowered to varying degrees
I wasn't going to respond to this, because why feed the trolls, but I guess I need to.
A few months ago one of our regulars decided he wanted to get a Hale's Own Market Gardener. Whatever, that's fine. He came on every day and did nothing but that, and actually got quite good at it. I have no issue with that, and actually had fun destroying him with the Direct Hit. Other people saw this, and decided to do the same. Again, fine, whatever, people can do their own thing.
Unfortunately it snowballed, and at any given time there would be 3-5 people per team doing this on my servers. Instead of people doing things like capturing points, pushing the cart, or getting the intel, most people were looking up, trying to shoot these idiots out of the sky. It basically turned into a Duck Hunt server rather than TF2. We gained a small amount of notoriety for harboring this kind of behavior, and regulars who used to frequent the server started complaining and leaving. I got tired of it.
So I took some action. Instead of outright banning (stripping) it, I changed a few things to make it a viable, albeit more difficult option. I changed the Rocket Jumper back to -100HP, I gave the Market Gardener a bleed effect (-3hps), and I gave it the GRU's minicrit effect. Now instead of having unlimited mobility and a large amount of survivability (Miss? Just jump away!), you need to make sure you pick your target carefully, and nail them on the first try. Did I go too far? Maybe, but at least people are playing TF2 again, and all of the people who came onto my servers to troll are now gone. I call that a net win.
I don't think the MG is overpowered at all, just overused. A lot of people compared the MG to the caber, and my response to that is what was quoted above. The main difference is that the caber wielder really does only get one shot, where as the MG user can just jump again, and again, and again.
I wasn't going to respond to this, because why feed the trolls, but I guess I need to.
A few months ago one of our regulars decided he wanted to get a Hale's Own Market Gardener. Whatever, that's fine. He came on every day and did nothing but that, and actually got quite good at it. I have no issue with that, and actually had fun destroying him with the Direct Hit. Other people saw this, and decided to do the same. Again, fine, whatever, people can do their own thing.
Unfortunately it snowballed, and at any given time there would be 3-5 people per team doing this on my servers. Instead of people doing things like capturing points, pushing the cart, or getting the intel, most people were looking up, trying to shoot these idiots out of the sky. It basically turned into a Duck Hunt server rather than TF2. We gained a small amount of notoriety for harboring this kind of behavior, and regulars who used to frequent the server started complaining and leaving. I got tired of it.
So I took some action. Instead of outright banning (stripping) it, I changed a few things to make it a viable, albeit more difficult option. I changed the Rocket Jumper back to -100HP, I gave the Market Gardener a bleed effect (-3hps), and I gave it the GRU's minicrit effect. Now instead of having unlimited mobility and a large amount of survivability (Miss? Just jump away!), you need to make sure you pick your target carefully, and nail them on the first try. Did I go too far? Maybe, but at least people are playing TF2 again, and all of the people who came onto my servers to troll are now gone. I call that a net win.
I don't think the MG is overpowered at all, just overused. A lot of people compared the MG to the caber, and my response to that is what was quoted above. The main difference is that the caber wielder really does only get one shot, where as the MG user can just jump again, and again, and again.
A few months ago one of our regulars decided he wanted to get a Hale's Own Market Gardener. Whatever, that's fine. He came on every day and did nothing but that, and actually got quite good at it. I have no issue with that, and actually had fun destroying him with the Direct Hit. Other people saw this, and decided to do the same. Again, fine, whatever, people can do their own thing.
Unfortunately it snowballed, and at any given time there would be 3-5 people per team doing this on my servers. Instead of people doing things like capturing points, pushing the cart, or getting the intel, most people were looking up, trying to shoot these idiots out of the sky. It basically turned into a Duck Hunt server rather than TF2. We gained a small amount of notoriety for harboring this kind of behavior, and regulars who used to frequent the server started complaining and leaving. I got tired of it.
So I took some action. Instead of outright banning (stripping) it, I changed a few things to make it a viable, albeit more difficult option. I changed the Rocket Jumper back to -100HP, I gave the Market Gardener a bleed effect (-3hps), and I gave it the GRU's minicrit effect. Now instead of having unlimited mobility and a large amount of survivability (Miss? Just jump away!), you need to make sure you pick your target carefully, and nail them on the first try. Did I go too far? Maybe, but at least people are playing TF2 again, and all of the people who came onto my servers to troll are now gone. I call that a net win.
I don't think the MG is overpowered at all, just overused. A lot of people compared the MG to the caber, and my response to that is what was quoted above. The main difference is that the caber wielder really does only get one shot, where as the MG user can just jump again, and again, and again.
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