all that tells me rick is that i need to hjave the heroes that are in the meta and im not always gonna have the IP to get them and where do you think i get RP from

Licor, no offence man, but I think you are really understand what a P2W game is.

League of Legends is not that kind of game - it does sell a lot of things, but not a single one of them is making you stronger when compared to another player. If I am being completely honest, I always felt DOTA is fucking attacking me with it's items and store capabilities whilst LoL barely makes any marketing in-game.

LoL does offer you IP boosts, but that's for lazy people not wishing to play a few days more to get to 10000 IP or w/e. Runes can be made with literally less then one week of gaming (depending how much free time you have) and like you said, you don't need to cash for that. Champions are being bought for virtual points you acquire with gaming itself, how is that P2W? In (I think) 3-4 years of playing LoL, I've never ever bought a champion with real money.

There is not a single thing you can buy in LoL that will give you an unfair advantage over your opponent.

The only thing I think might get people pissed off, is when they create smurf accs and then get mad because they don't have the same amount of champions and runes like they do on their old main accounts. I guess it's a way of countering smurf accounts.

the problem Licor is talking about is that if you dont buy champions with money you need to either choose to get Runes with IP or Champions with IP, thereby limiting what you can have by 30.
this creates a "pay for advantage" situation where you can have the current meta heroes AND runes to back them up (champions from RP and runes from IP) in order to have an upperhand in the lane where a person who didnt purchase RP will have to either hope they already own the hero, hope the hero is free, or buy the hero with IP, which if they don't have Runes for will be pointless as in a mirror situation the person who bought the hero with RP will win just beacuse he has that extra armor or damage or health or armor pen.

This is entirely assuming both parties have the same amount of time in the game.
and once again this all essentially becomes a non-factor once you get to Summoner Level 30.

i always choose enchantress against broodmother because i want broodmother to mount enchantress and lay eggs in her tiny doe cunt god damn that gets me off

I think we are talking about two different approaches to the game - one where you spent a year playing normal games, like I did, and the other one where you rush 30 and then you start playing ranked. I am fairly certain even the community + RIOT warn you that is not the best road as you are still quite new to the game, and still learning basics like positioning and general champ and map knowledge.

If you rush to 30 and then get confused at why you don't have enough resources to play ranked on-pair with a guy who is in the game longer then you, it doesn't make LoL a P2W game because the advantage the other player acquired is something he did with his personal time and skill - not money.

If you are trying to hop overnight to a level (and # of champs) of a player who is playing the game 11 months more then you do, of course you CAN chuck in some money into the game. It's completely up to you, and even that will not make you any better then another player. You can have 100 champs unlocked, if you know how to play well with 5 of them, even if they are meta champs atm, you are going to have a hard time.

Let me put this as clearly as I can. Spending money to get higher stats with runes that people can't get as easily without spending money is paying for an advantage, you can't change that fact. I don't care if people think that's okay, or if people don't mind it, or if you think low level players don't matter at all, or if you think they're too tiny of an advantage to care about, but you can't pretend it isn't there. You can tell me that IP is directly related to time invested, and yes, that's true, that's why I said if you have 10,000 hours of playtime in league, you don't need to spend real money to afford runes and all the champions in the game, you'll have a crazy huge surplus in fact, without any real money invested. That said, two players with 100 hours of playtime each will have vastly different experiences with different amounts of money sunk into the game.

That is all I've ever said, and if anyone claims buying RP has literally nothing to do with getting a real, tangible, in-game advantage over another player who doesn't do it, in any possible scenario in your mind, all I can say is that I think you're wrong. This bothers some people, it doesn't bother others, you can play whatever game you want. Again, I play league, I don't like dota, but it's for my own reasons. If someone is the type of person who hears that runes are a thing and they're immediately turned off of the game, then they were saved some time. If they don't mind, they might end up enjoying league, and that's good too, maybe we'll end up in matchmaking on either side some day. Just don't pretend it's something that it isn't.

Edit for the post above as well, you don't have to rush anything. If you win a lot of games through playing well, you're going to be paired off against higher level players, I have friends that went from dota to league and they're around level 20 - 29, but all their opponents are silver, gold, and plat, all with full rune pages playing meta champions in solo queue normals. Watching someone lose a forced engage by 10 hp against a mis-playing vayne with 10 more AD, 9 more armor, and attack speed in runes is actually really, really silly.

I think LoL has better porn just look at Renekton Unf I'd love to see him give a hot dicking to his bro Nasus

Where da Volibear @ tho

Then again you can just play Dota where every hero is free always.

centaur warrunner is my favorite cause he has a nice horse dong to shove up puck's cute boy pussy

You are making it sound like you need to spend months of playing to acquire those same runes, whilst in reality it takes a week, literally a week to get them - and even that if you really want them. I've played without runes for the first year because I couldn't be arsed learning them, until my RL friend did a tutorial for me. They do make a difference in a close battle, but I wouldn't call them game changing, nor would I call LoL a P2W game because one guy got them a week before me.

You can buy all the champions in the game, but it's still going to take you a lot of time to master even a third of them. You can have all the champions, it matters little and it doesn't affect your gameplay. If you have a pool of 100 champions and you know how to play with 10 of them, having another 90 won't help you in your game because you have no experience with them. A blind man is a blind man, no matter how many walking sticks you give him.

The ONLY benefit I can see, for someone who has money, is that you can acquire those runes literally a ten day or so before the player who started without the money. If that makes League a P2W game I might be living on a wrong planet then.

Idk man maybe I suck at LoL and maybe I have a wrong perspective, but I've seen some P2W games and League is nowhere near it. Peace, over & out.

i just think runes are kinda dumb because at any sort of decently high level (gold+???) runes are basically cancelled out anyway so its almost like you spent a lot of IP on nothing

pr0lly is the best thing about league
not to say league isn't good, but pr0lly is the best thing about league

how can u possibly act like league isnt p2w... yes you dont need to spend money ever but the game forces you to invest a lot of time to get GAMEPLAY ENHANCING champions/runes. the fact you can skip the time investment (which is equivalent to $$$) by spending real money means its p2w, full stop. if riot wasnt seeking to make money on people who want to pay instead of invest time getting the best runes and champions they would have a different monetization model

p2w doesnt mean that you HAVE TO pay to get the best runes/champions dont be intentionally dense

I saw a 7 year old kid yell at a guy in his late 20s, "I fucked your parents as hard as I just fucked you!"

I thought that was the end until the guy in his late 20s yell back, "You're as shitty as your grandma's pussy."

True story.

you can't buy runes with money...

Still don't get why people say it's not p2w. I mean yes you have to be skilled to actually win the game, but any grinding that can get bypassed by paying money is p2w. It's just like MMO's where you still have to grind for levels, but you can also pay for powerups and nice gear in the p2w models. Although I guess you can call it more of a pay2play model more than p2w. If you could only buy skins and every champion could only be unlocked through IP I'd consider it not p2w, but the fact is you can skip the grind by paying money. Just think of D3 with trading/AH; you can grind for 10000 hours and eventually get amazing gear on the same level of the best, or you can buy the best weapons right away. The grind in LoL is much smaller, but there was definitely an advantage gained by buying weapons in D3 similar to buying Champions and stuff in LoL (and even buying rune pages, having only 3 rune pages restricts you to playing a much smaller pool of champions optimally). You still have to grind your levels in D3 (just like LoL's levels and rune grinding), but there's a good advantage by paying. The LoL community is just big enough that a good portion of players have almost everything at this point and aren't affected by this issue anymore.

But still, play LoL if you actually like it. They built a pretty good competitive scene and mainstreamed a huge part of e-sports. I just don't like PvP oriented games grind-locking the competitive portion of the game or skipping a good portion of it through money. Also don't like the Tribunal and whatever where you can't play because you having (horrible) emotions. Would rather see muting and low priority than pure account locks.

why are you all still arguing? its as enigma says, runes can't be bought with money so by you're definition of a p2w game, this means League is not....meta heroes that are "OP" mostly refer to the competitive scene anyways and like 80% of the time won't apply to casual games that everyone on this forum is playing.

so please, can we give this p2w thing a rest??

is there anything else non-p2w that i need to know

be yourself and have fun

i mean, i guess incest is ok but dont you ever wanna play lifestealer just to be inside of someone and call people master?

Yeah dude I think everything was covered in the first few posts, unless you wanted like, more specific tips along the lines of "how do I play x role" or something

Is it possible to just buy the game with all the heroes and everything already? Or would you have to do that individually for hundreds of dollars more than I would ever spend on a videogame?

Well just look at Zac imagine him engulfing you in his gooey mass. I'd let him be my master any day hes hotter than any shit dota champ

Rofl, as if that compares to brewmaster blinking on you, ulting, and using his 3 bear cocks to fill all of your holes.

Why would i need three bears when i have the massive cutie that is volibear. He's all you need, he could flip me up in the air have me land on his giant bear dick, much rather have that than some shitty WoW panda rip offs

LOL OK, its adorable that you think volibear wouldnt be ursa's little fucktoy.

ursa looks fucking stupid dude and volibear is a polar bear which are much bigger than most bears so i think ursa would be the fucktoy. face it lol has better bears and more. rengar pouncing me and shoving his barbed cat penis into me would be so hot

i'm uncomfortable

UM, LUNA? her sitting on your face with that gigantic ass while nova fucks you with its SUPERIOR cat cock would be so much better.....