I agree with you Kairu, but I also agree with Rainman. Shotgun jumping can be annoying to play against but is hard to enforce against it. Shotgun jumping can also be really effective and is used by a lot of top bballers especially in tournaments and can be a great advantage if you are good at it. So I honestly don't know if I should ban it or not, it really depends on what everyone else has to say. But I agree with you on trying to ban it from the tournament.
KairuRainmanJDawg4.) Shotgun jumping is allowed
Thanks for making this happen, jdawg.
I suggest that we ban shotty jumping because it's not fun to play against nor is it entertaining to watch. Let's be honest. People go to please to be enjoying not to be bodyblocked and shottied but rather to enjoy it. We should keep it that way.
This is pretty much why I never play tournaments.
But on the other hand, you can't really police jump shotgun. Is it a matter of how close I am? What If I'm jumping from your side of the court and shotgunning you in the back because you got past me? What if I know you're like 10 hp and I just spawned, so I jump forward, and shotgun you at half court to take the intel from you?
It's a nice idea, but it can't realistically be stopped. Not to mention it's just as easy to bodyblock and use rockets.
I feel that if we set some boundaries on what a shottyjump is, this idea might gain traction. So, for starters, I think it counts as a shotgun jump when both players are in the air and one shoots the other with a shotgun. Now, as your example pointed out, it's probably not that simple, but it's a start. As you said, it's just as easy to use rockets and bodyblock, but using a shotgun means that your bodyblock has a longer reach and is thus so much more annoying to deal with. You can strafe around bodyblocks. Not around hitscan
But all the above was obvious.
If it's so easy to just use rockets, then just use rockets. However, again, we need to set boundaries for this rule to become legitimate. Can we think of any more?
Thanks for making this happen, jdawg.
I suggest that we ban shotty jumping because it's not fun to play against nor is it entertaining to watch. Let's be honest. People go to please to be enjoying not to be bodyblocked and shottied but rather to enjoy it. We should keep it that way.[/quote]
This is pretty much why I never play tournaments.
But on the other hand, you can't really police jump shotgun. Is it a matter of how close I am? What If I'm jumping from your side of the court and shotgunning you in the back because you got past me? What if I know you're like 10 hp and I just spawned, so I jump forward, and shotgun you at half court to take the intel from you?
It's a nice idea, but it can't realistically be stopped. Not to mention it's just as easy to bodyblock and use rockets.[/quote]
I feel that if we set some boundaries on what a shottyjump is, this idea might gain traction. So, for starters, I think it counts as a shotgun jump when both players are in the air and one shoots the other with a shotgun. Now, as your example pointed out, it's probably not that simple, but it's a start. As you said, it's just as easy to use rockets and bodyblock, but using a shotgun means that your bodyblock has a longer reach and is thus so much more annoying to deal with. You can strafe around bodyblocks. Not around hitscan
But all the above was obvious.
If it's so easy to just use rockets, then just use rockets. However, again, we need to set boundaries for this rule to become legitimate. Can we think of any more?
Is it really a shotgun jump to jump at the enemy and shotgun them in the back after they jump past you to keep them from scoring?
JDawgIs it really a shotgun jump to jump at the enemy and shotgun them in the back after they jump past you to keep them from scoring?
I think that is alright. The main gripe I have with shotty jumping is the blatant jumping in front of the other players' path and completely stopping them in their tracks.
Also, by doing that, their range and ability to block is enlarged by a lot because pellets slow a player's speed by a stupidly large amount. I think that jumping in the air and trying to shoot someone with a rocket at least requires some prediction and aim.
I think that is alright. The main gripe I have with shotty jumping is the blatant jumping in front of the other players' path and completely stopping them in their tracks.
Also, by doing that, their range and ability to block is enlarged by a lot because pellets slow a player's speed by a stupidly large amount. I think that jumping in the air and trying to shoot someone with a rocket at least requires some prediction and aim.
If you ban shotty jumping people will just body block with rockets, or worse, they will do the really passive "stand right next to the hoop and hit directs/hoopshots" strat. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's basically waiting until the person is on the way down from their jump, is about to land on the hoop (so prediction really isn't necessary) then shooting a really easy close range airshot to stop the jumper from scoring. It's in probably the most lame/borring/passive strat in bball.
You really can't regulate shotty jumping without removing the shotty entirely. If people are gonna play that gay in bball it's their own prerogative. Usually the better team wins anyway in bball tournies.
You really can't regulate shotty jumping without removing the shotty entirely. If people are gonna play that gay in bball it's their own prerogative. Usually the better team wins anyway in bball tournies.
sildeezyIf you ban shotty jumping people will just body block with rockets, or worse, they will do the really passive "stand right next to the hoop and hit directs/hoopshots" strat. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's basically waiting until the person is on the way down from their jump, is about to land on the hoop (so prediction really isn't necessary) then shooting a really easy close range airshot to stop the jumper from scoring. It's in probably the most lame/borring/passive strat in bball.
You really can't regulate shotty jumping without removing the shotty entirely. If people are gonna play that gay in bball it's their own prerogative. Usually the better team wins anyway in bball tournies.
It was worth a shot, man. Just don't want the gameplay to slow down.
People are probably going to hoopshot anyways. Oh well.
You really can't regulate shotty jumping without removing the shotty entirely. If people are gonna play that gay in bball it's their own prerogative. Usually the better team wins anyway in bball tournies.[/quote]
It was worth a shot, man. Just don't want the gameplay to slow down.
People are probably going to hoopshot anyways. Oh well.
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if you want to limit shotty you can maybe change its clip size to 2 or 3? that way if someone wants to jump shotty they cannot afford to miss or keep shooting once they've land. thoughts?
I think shotgun is the devil in bball tournaments. It sucks the fun out of everything, it's not fun to use nor to play against, and it's definitely not as fun to watch as people going for airshots. Just ban shotgun completely, but still enforce it in the loadout so that you don't have people jumping 15 times with gunboats.
also for those that don't know, duck amplifies shotty knockback so if you don't want to get owned so hard dont hold duck
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No need to regulate how shotgun in used in bball, if people want to make a game not fun they can do it a million other ways instead of using a shotgun.
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