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#JJDASHNER

no one gets it right anyways ROFL

do you even realize how pathetically disgusting that is to think/say in regards to a "competitive" game?

froyo wont lose an esea lan until they lose 2+ players. shits over son.

there is enough talent on the 2-4 teams to form a team that could beat froyo. its all about putting the pieces together, which froyo has done. if s12 mixup with ruwin and brad had stuck together for the length of the current froyo lineup it would have been the same situation.

For my nerd curiosity, what would your dream froyo-killer team be?

though i agree that if your team stuck together it could have been the same situation (considering our teams' games against each other were close at that time), i would argue that the i52/s16 ESEA mixup was easily the strongest roster your team has had overall, basically a direct upgrade in every role compared to your i46 roster

the amount of callers on the i46 mixup roster made it a unique team that i have never played on one like since. literally every player on that team was capable of calling and giving valuable input in terms of strategy and on the fly adjustments. it was also when all of our players were in our primes, ruwin was unstoppable, brad was on the top of his med game, tlr was nuts, plat was the best demo in tf2. if that roster would have stuck together i do not doubt we would have won multiple championships for multiple seasons. no doubt though your current froyo roster is definitely a force to be reckoned with, and i would have loved to have been able to pit the teams in their primes against each other.

question for you harb: what do you think about the mindset of most invite players who don't want to put the time in to become the best and instead call our team a 'superteam' instead of focusing their attention inwards and becoming better players? i'm sure you'd agree that our team is easily the weakest its ever been considering we never practice and every one of our games is streamed and recorded, and i agree with you that the talent is out there right now.

what bothers me is that even when i was on a bottom of invite team for multiple seasons before working my way up the ladder, i had a ton of fun getting rolled by top players and tried hard to take even one round. the incentive to improve has never changed, yet just because we have top players people think its either impossible to beat us (which is a joke) or not worth the effort (incentive to be good has never changed). you were on multiple teams that upset the 1st place team (mix, x6, etc) and i'm sure you also have some good perspective on the topic.

there are a bunch of players in invite right now who have that mindset to be the best, they just haven't gotten together on the right team yet. If those players start to find each other there could be a real challenge to froyo pretty soon.

The challenge is definitely there - I'm with owl on getting enough like-minded players together.

i hope mike takes a massive dump on banny at lan

also lansky WHO CARES

you're a little penis

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you're right i meant to say basically bottom of invite level team (apoplexy industries), though they didnt go 0-16 exactly.

not sure what you're trying to say though, just because you've been stuck at the bottom for longer than i was means i don't know what it's like to be on the bottom? also you give up and run dh every time you play a top team so i wouldn't call that struggling exactly

forum mge

lets look at these players

tlr plat and enigma playing with way less drive and motivation than before so those are pretty obvious downgrades
pure on medic vs harb any season besides like 8/10 id prolly go with b333ford
seagull vs harb seagull is better but its roamer and harb was always good at accellerating his superior teams momentum
squidder vs ruwin theyre both insane people but ruwin is more insane therefore a better scout i think

cozen med, bdonski demo, mike & squid on scout, and then either rando/milo/grape pocket and me roaming

that is not taking into account any peoples attitudes towards each other or willingness to play obviously, but from a talent level its a team that could compete well on a class by class basis.

i think ur better off just cloning milo

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im down lol

Team of 6 Milos to take next LAN without dropping a single point.

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Could someone just let MarmadukeGrylls join or back up for froyo so he can stop bitching about it all the time?

lol sign me up

cozen
rando
harb
bdonski
squid
mike
2/6 players willing to form the froyo-killer team ?

mostly because that's laughable that a team of 6 players picked off of random teams in NA are going to somehow do what europe and australia and americas "super" teams never came close to doing in beating froyo on lan. i could see teams getting close if froyo kept not giving a fuck and not scrimming and other teams put in 3+ hours nightly with demo reviews and shit like that but if froyo went tryhard to prep for lan lolggandyourelyingtoyourselfifyouthinkotherwise

Double bdonski? bona-fide froyo-buster

I dunno, you can't really deny that froyo currently has the last few players in TF2 that have the most experience in the game. I've always said that I think the most interesting season of TF2 would happen when all of the oldest wisest TF2 players form their own teams and go against each other, but doing that wouldn't make sense.

Until TF2 gets a better prize pot, putting a ton of time into it isn't very possible for many people. Sure I agree that high level TF2 is more fun, but putting your blood and sweat into the game isn't really worth it these days. If I were to play on a team in the upcoming season my primary goal would be to play on a team with friends and have a good time, not to win LAN again. Considering that Froyo is made up of the players with the most experience in the game, they also have known each other for the longest time and are friends. There is really no reason for them not to play with each other, cause i know i wouldn't leave either in their shoes.

Sure the situation is kinda butts i guess, but you can't be mad at them really. If anything the real issue is the TF2 prize pot being too small currently. I'm drunk and im not proof reading this so pretty much, vets are gunna play with vets cause they're buddies. There will be no competition cause there is no incentive to put in the time to catch up to them. There was competition in the past because we believed TF2 was going somewhere, but now that things have stalled a bit the drive has died down

but that raises another problem. 5cp is a flawed game mode when it comes to competing for money, because a team only has to park the bus after capping one point for the next 25 minutes and they win the money in a boring fashion. if you try and make it a required number of round wins with no time limit, the games can become very long, which brings about more problems.
though i hate to say it, if youre going to be competing at a level where large amounts of money are involved, 5cp is the worst kind of map for such a tournament. so while i believe tf2 itself is a game that would be great at big tourneys, the map pool is only encouraging slow play and boring games where prizes are involved.