Seven, currently aliasing as ♚scout who✯ Steam Profile: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198043190041
He has 19K hours. Several people have chalked up his apparent skill to having lots of hours in the game. However, I will mention most of Seven's hours are idle hours, as he has 300 hours logged in the last 2 weeks alone. Also if you add up his class hours (although it could have been reset) its not that many hours.
I was lobbying against him last night, and the multiple headshots he was hitting on my teamates was just so unbelievable, we were all calling him out. Having investigated another TF2C hacker and got him banned, I decided to look more into Seven and see if he was legit or not.
High hour count might cause people to think, "hey maybe this guy is just really good at the game, after all he has 19K hours."
As we all know hacks are getting more and more sophisticated. Long gone are the days of cheap aimbot with 100% movement tracking on the nearby enemy. Now there are trigger bots and aimbots that when set to a fov of <5 and with silent mode enabled they are almost undetectable to spectators and STV/POV demo viewers. It makes them "look" legit.
However there is a fine line between a skilled player, and software assisted cheats.
I have been reviewing logs for the past several weeks and paying close attention to the accuracy figures on various players. I now have a very good idea about the accuracy of top level scouts. I've seen logs from IM and Invite scouts, and typical scout accuracy would be in the low 60 to low 70%'s, very rarely will I see any accuracy outside of this range. When you start seeing percentages in the 80's to 90's, is when I start getting suspicious. One might chalk up one match as having a "good game" but consistent high accuracy is proof that aim assist is being used.
One might ask, if they are using an aimbot why isn't their accuracy 100%? The answer is simple:
1) They shoot after they killed the enemy
2) They shoot the ground randomly to offset their stats
3) Their aim was so bad that they were outside of the aimbots fov, so the shot is a miss.
4) Toggeling aim assist on or off
Anyways you may be asking, but where is your proof? Well here is one log that I think is very good proof of Seven Cheating: http://logs.tf/329343?highlight=76561198043190041
94% scattergun accuracy across 4635 damage.
69% sniper accuracy across a damage sample size of 4951
Rocket accuracy doesn't really matter, but 100% shotgun accuracy, but a very small sample size.
Anyways, you can review some of Sevens other logs, most of them have slightly lesser %, likely due to the level of cheats being used (e.g. enhanced aimbot fov, or not toggeling). Also in an STV I reviewed of Seven playing I saw him frequently firing his sniper at the ground with no one around.
Seven, currently aliasing as ♚scout who✯ Steam Profile: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198043190041
He has 19K hours. Several people have chalked up his apparent skill to having lots of hours in the game. However, I will mention most of Seven's hours are idle hours, as he has 300 hours logged in the last 2 weeks alone. Also if you add up his class hours (although it could have been reset) its not that many hours.
I was lobbying against him last night, and the multiple headshots he was hitting on my teamates was just so unbelievable, we were all calling him out. Having investigated another TF2C hacker and got him banned, I decided to look more into Seven and see if he was legit or not.
High hour count might cause people to think, "hey maybe this guy is just really good at the game, after all he has 19K hours."
As we all know hacks are getting more and more sophisticated. Long gone are the days of cheap aimbot with 100% movement tracking on the nearby enemy. Now there are trigger bots and aimbots that when set to a fov of <5 and with silent mode enabled they are almost undetectable to spectators and STV/POV demo viewers. It makes them "look" legit.
However there is a fine line between a skilled player, and software assisted cheats.
I have been reviewing logs for the past several weeks and paying close attention to the accuracy figures on various players. I now have a very good idea about the accuracy of top level scouts. I've seen logs from IM and Invite scouts, and typical scout accuracy would be in the low 60 to low 70%'s, very rarely will I see any accuracy outside of this range. When you start seeing percentages in the 80's to 90's, is when I start getting suspicious. One might chalk up one match as having a "good game" but consistent high accuracy is proof that aim assist is being used.
One might ask, if they are using an aimbot why isn't their accuracy 100%? The answer is simple:
1) They shoot after they killed the enemy
2) They shoot the ground randomly to offset their stats
3) Their aim was so bad that they were outside of the aimbots fov, so the shot is a miss.
4) Toggeling aim assist on or off
Anyways you may be asking, but where is your proof? Well here is one log that I think is very good proof of Seven Cheating: http://logs.tf/329343?highlight=76561198043190041
94% scattergun accuracy across 4635 damage.
69% sniper accuracy across a damage sample size of 4951
Rocket accuracy doesn't really matter, but 100% shotgun accuracy, but a very small sample size.
Anyways, you can review some of Sevens other logs, most of them have slightly lesser %, likely due to the level of cheats being used (e.g. enhanced aimbot fov, or not toggeling). Also in an STV I reviewed of Seven playing I saw him frequently firing his sniper at the ground with no one around.
Good work, nice to see this level of vigilance put into catching cheaters. In the age of triggerbots, sometimes people even slip through to high competitive levels before they're caught.
Good work, nice to see this level of vigilance put into catching cheaters. In the age of triggerbots, sometimes people even slip through to high competitive levels before they're caught.
I have actually played against him in a pub and he has either the best aim of any video game player I've ever seen in my life, or he is a cheater. I'm leaning towards the latter
I have actually played against him in a pub and he has either the best aim of any video game player I've ever seen in my life, or he is a cheater. I'm leaning towards the latter
JimiJamI have actually played against him in a pub and he has either the best aim of any video game player I've ever seen in my life, or he is a cheater. I'm leaning towards the latter
Yes, he is a more sly cheater than several other of the guys I have caught recently. I believe he frequently toggles, fires at the ground randomly as well as perhaps uses a smaller aimbot fov which requires his aim to be close to the enemy perhaps within 2-3 degrees. The type of cheating software they use is fully customization and can be as obvious or as subtle as the user chooses to make them. The last cheater I caught I still have him on my friends list, as he added me after a lobby. I've asked him quite a few questions about one of the leading hacks on the market, and what it is capable of.
MasterKuniGood work, nice to see this level of vigilance put into catching cheaters. In the age of triggerbots, sometimes people even slip through to high competitive levels before they're caught.
Thanks. With premium pay for hacks out there, VAC is a complete joke. VAC will pretty much only catch the freebie hacks out there. There are several high hour members in the TF2 community that have been cheating in lobbies and even matches for a while now. I will continue to keep an eye out and continue to expose the ones that I find.
Worth mentioning is that the scout sub on sevens team in that same log is also a cheater with the name zxx.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ramiisthebest/
92% scatter accuracy in that log. His hacks are even more blatant than sevens.
http://logs.tf/359192?highlight=76561197998718461
87% Widowmaker accuracy accross a sample damage size of 7770 damage.
I saw him on TF2C defending another hacker which I called out in post #75 here: http://teamfortress.tv/thread/23236/do-not-scrim-bullets-team-in-irc/?page=3
[quote=JimiJam]I have actually played against him in a pub and he has either the best aim of any video game player I've ever seen in my life, or he is a cheater. I'm leaning towards the latter[/quote]
Yes, he is a more sly cheater than several other of the guys I have caught recently. I believe he frequently toggles, fires at the ground randomly as well as perhaps uses a smaller aimbot fov which requires his aim to be close to the enemy perhaps within 2-3 degrees. The type of cheating software they use is fully customization and can be as obvious or as subtle as the user chooses to make them. The last cheater I caught I still have him on my friends list, as he added me after a lobby. I've asked him quite a few questions about one of the leading hacks on the market, and what it is capable of.
[quote=MasterKuni]Good work, nice to see this level of vigilance put into catching cheaters. In the age of triggerbots, sometimes people even slip through to high competitive levels before they're caught.[/quote]
Thanks. With premium pay for hacks out there, VAC is a complete joke. VAC will pretty much only catch the freebie hacks out there. There are several high hour members in the TF2 community that have been cheating in lobbies and even matches for a while now. I will continue to keep an eye out and continue to expose the ones that I find.
Worth mentioning is that the scout sub on sevens team in that same log is also a cheater with the name zxx.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ramiisthebest/
92% scatter accuracy in that log. His hacks are even more blatant than sevens.
http://logs.tf/359192?highlight=76561197998718461
87% Widowmaker accuracy accross a sample damage size of 7770 damage.
I saw him on TF2C defending another hacker which I called out in post #75 here: http://teamfortress.tv/thread/23236/do-not-scrim-bullets-team-in-irc/?page=3
fucking cheaters
cheers, dollarlayer
fucking cheaters
cheers, dollarlayer
He was investigated last season in UGC steel and there wasn't any action taken against besides a week ban for not having pov demos recorded.
He was investigated last season in UGC steel and there wasn't any action taken against besides a week ban for not having pov demos recorded.
tetrominoHe was investigated last season in UGC steel and there wasn't any action taken against besides a week ban for not having pov demos recorded.
I heard that as well. The problem is the aimbot can look very convincing. Couple convincing play with some lag compensation and it can appear they are just a great player with great aim. He's been playing long enough to know what he can generally get away with. However the logs show that he had an opps moment and really cranked it up!
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Moving forward I would highly advise various gaming leagues such as UGC and ESEA to use something like this: http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-21038/
This anti-cheat plugin has detection and auto banning for obvious hacks, but also marks accounts suspected of using hacks such as triggerbots, auto det zoom, airblast etc hacks.
But one of the other very important features is it takes a screenshot of the clients screen every 10 minutes, which can be reviewed later, and the obvious hacks such as walls, radar, spy camera, esp etc, as well as any hack menu's or branding on the users screen will be easily spotted.
In addition to this, make sure all UGC/ESEA officially match servers have accuracy stat tracking.
[quote=tetromino]He was investigated last season in UGC steel and there wasn't any action taken against besides a week ban for not having pov demos recorded.[/quote]
I heard that as well. The problem is the aimbot can look very convincing. Couple convincing play with some lag compensation and it can appear they are just a great player with great aim. He's been playing long enough to know what he can generally get away with. However the logs show that he had an opps moment and really cranked it up!
--------------------------
Moving forward I would highly advise various gaming leagues such as UGC and ESEA to use something like this: http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-21038/
This anti-cheat plugin has detection and auto banning for obvious hacks, but also marks accounts suspected of using hacks such as triggerbots, auto det zoom, airblast etc hacks.
But one of the other very important features is it takes a screenshot of the clients screen every 10 minutes, which can be reviewed later, and the obvious hacks such as walls, radar, spy camera, esp etc, as well as any hack menu's or branding on the users screen will be easily spotted.
In addition to this, make sure all UGC/ESEA officially match servers have accuracy stat tracking.
uh, the logs you linked have a different account than the one you linked originally. zxx/ramii/etc is bullet in the logs with 92% accuracy
scout who is presumably someone else
uh, the logs you linked have a different account than the one you linked originally. zxx/ramii/etc is bullet in the logs with 92% accuracy
scout who is presumably someone else
Vortexuh, the logs you linked have a different account than the one you linked originally. zxx/ramii/etc is bullet in the logs with 92% accuracy
scout who is presumably someone else
Huh? Go to the log for scout who and click steam profile, it links directly to Seven: http://steamcommunity.com/id/RingMe/
[quote=Vortex]uh, the logs you linked have a different account than the one you linked originally. zxx/ramii/etc is bullet in the logs with 92% accuracy
scout who is presumably someone else[/quote]
Huh? Go to the log for scout who and click steam profile, it links directly to Seven: http://steamcommunity.com/id/RingMe/
Vortexuh, the logs you linked have a different account than the one you linked originally. zxx/ramii/etc is bullet in the logs with 92% accuracy
scout who is presumably someone else
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ramiisthebest/
thats the steam account hes talking about
[quote=Vortex]uh, the logs you linked have a different account than the one you linked originally. zxx/ramii/etc is bullet in the logs with 92% accuracy
scout who is presumably someone else[/quote]
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ramiisthebest/
thats the steam account hes talking about
He subbed for a silver team I was on and I watched the stv. He was playing roamer and his rockets/gamesense were way off but he hit every shot as sniper. Following that game I'm pretty sure he was banned for a week
He subbed for a silver team I was on and I watched the stv. He was playing roamer and his rockets/gamesense were way off but he hit every shot as sniper. Following that game I'm pretty sure he was banned for a week
dollarlayerBut one of the other very important features is it takes a screenshot of the clients screen every 10 minutes, which can be reviewed later, and the obvious hacks such as walls, radar, spy camera, esp etc, as well as any hack menu's or branding on the users screen will be easily spotted.
In addition to this, make sure all UGC/ESEA officially match servers have accuracy stat tracking.
I'm very sure it still can take screenshots but I'm also very sure nobody uses that feature as it's a little invasive, I agree that it's a good feature but personally I think it's a little much.
[quote=dollarlayer]
But one of the other very important features is it takes a screenshot of the clients screen every 10 minutes, which can be reviewed later, and the obvious hacks such as walls, radar, spy camera, esp etc, as well as any hack menu's or branding on the users screen will be easily spotted.
In addition to this, make sure all UGC/ESEA officially match servers have accuracy stat tracking.[/quote]
I'm very sure it still can take screenshots but I'm also very sure nobody uses that feature as it's a little invasive, I agree that it's a good feature but personally I think it's a little much.
alright i was looking at the logs wrong because you had it highlight bullet. lymphatix is bullet's alt account too
anyways all i know about seven is that nonis reviewed some of his steel/silver via stv's where he did like 700 dpm and didn't miss. looked like triggerbot to me but apparently not to the ugc anticheat people
alright i was looking at the logs wrong because you had it highlight bullet. lymphatix is bullet's alt account too
anyways all i know about seven is that nonis reviewed some of his steel/silver via stv's where he did like 700 dpm and didn't miss. looked like triggerbot to me but apparently not to the ugc anticheat people
http://i.imgur.com/uJCX6qB.png
W-what?
Why would he idle when that shits been dead for years.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/uJCX6qB.png[/img]
W-what?
Why would he idle when that shits been dead for years.
Antareshttp://i.imgur.com/uJCX6qB.png
W-what?
Why would he idle when that shits been dead for years.
We are not talking about like idle'ing for the purpose of weapon farming. Just leaving tf2 open all the time even if you are alt-tabbed. It'll rack up your tf2 hours, and my guess is Seven thought more hours = more legit.
_KermitI'm very sure it still can take screenshots but I'm also very sure nobody uses that feature as it's a little invasive, I agree that it's a good feature but personally I think it's a little much.
Well as long as it only is capable of taking screenshots of tf2, and not anything else on your computer including like steam messages, I see no problem with it. It might not be used that much because most people don't want to take the time to look through hundreds or thousands of screenshots. It only takes a 2-3 second glance per screenshot however to see if there is something really obvious like walls, radar, spy camera, esp etc.
Vortexalright i was looking at the logs wrong because you had it highlight bullet. lymphatix is bullet's alt account too
anyways all i know about seven is that nonis reviewed some of his steel/silver via stv's where he did like 700 dpm and didn't miss. looked like triggerbot to me but apparently not to the ugc anticheat people
It's not really possible to 100% prove a trigger bot from a single demo. My guess is the UGC admins didn't know what to look for, and only viewed a single log. And they figured if they wrongly banned a 19K hour player it could backfire on them and make the community look like a joke. So they were very conservative, didn't see the super obvious walling/aimbotting and decided to let him pass. Accuracy stats however don't lie, and many of Sevens accuracy stats are super human.
[quote=Antares][img]http://i.imgur.com/uJCX6qB.png[/img]
W-what?
Why would he idle when that shits been dead for years.[/quote]
We are not talking about like idle'ing for the purpose of weapon farming. Just leaving tf2 open all the time even if you are alt-tabbed. It'll rack up your tf2 hours, and my guess is Seven thought more hours = more legit.
[quote=_Kermit]I'm very sure it still can take screenshots but I'm also very sure nobody uses that feature as it's a little invasive, I agree that it's a good feature but personally I think it's a little much.[/quote]
Well as long as it only is capable of taking screenshots of tf2, and not anything else on your computer including like steam messages, I see no problem with it. It might not be used that much because most people don't want to take the time to look through hundreds or thousands of screenshots. It only takes a 2-3 second glance per screenshot however to see if there is something really obvious like walls, radar, spy camera, esp etc.
[quote=Vortex]alright i was looking at the logs wrong because you had it highlight bullet. lymphatix is bullet's alt account too
anyways all i know about seven is that nonis reviewed some of his steel/silver via stv's where he did like 700 dpm and didn't miss. looked like triggerbot to me but apparently not to the ugc anticheat people[/quote]
It's not really possible to 100% prove a trigger bot from a single demo. My guess is the UGC admins didn't know what to look for, and only viewed a single log. And they figured if they wrongly banned a 19K hour player it could backfire on them and make the community look like a joke. So they were very conservative, didn't see the super obvious walling/aimbotting and decided to let him pass. Accuracy stats however don't lie, and many of Sevens accuracy stats are super human.
Antareshttp://i.imgur.com/uJCX6qB.png
W-what?
Why would he idle when that shits been dead for years.
He leaves TF2 on, and then starts to mine bitcoins Kappa
[quote=Antares][img]http://i.imgur.com/uJCX6qB.png[/img]
W-what?
Why would he idle when that shits been dead for years.[/quote]
He leaves TF2 on, and then starts to mine bitcoins Kappa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_rrb5z1IuE
0:15 :p
love-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_rrb5z1IuE
0:15 :p
LMFAO its Seven! :p
The funny thing is, I watched an STV of him yesterday doing a similar last push on snakewater where he landed 4-5 consecutive headshots without missing. None of them were easy shots either.
ScilliantHe subbed for a silver team I was on and I watched the stv. He was playing roamer and his rockets/gamesense were way off but he hit every shot as sniper. Following that game I'm pretty sure he was banned for a week
That's exactly what I noticed in a couple STV's I watched of him. He went roamer at first, was mediocre at best, got frustrated after dying a couple times, then swapped to sniper and botted away! :P
[quote=love-]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_rrb5z1IuE
0:15 :p[/quote]
LMFAO its Seven! :p
The funny thing is, I watched an STV of him yesterday doing a similar last push on snakewater where he landed 4-5 consecutive headshots without missing. None of them were easy shots either.
[quote=Scilliant]He subbed for a silver team I was on and I watched the stv. He was playing roamer and his rockets/gamesense were way off but he hit every shot as sniper. Following that game I'm pretty sure he was banned for a week[/quote]
That's exactly what I noticed in a couple STV's I watched of him. He went roamer at first, was mediocre at best, got frustrated after dying a couple times, then swapped to sniper and botted away! :P
rofl this guy, I played a HL pug against him with Raymon ages ago and he sounded like the biggest fucking autist which he got really upset when i called him out for it. Wouldn't surprise me if he's hacking tbh and the whole idling thing doesn't make sense to me either
rofl this guy, I played a HL pug against him with Raymon ages ago and he sounded like the biggest fucking autist which he got really upset when i called him out for it. Wouldn't surprise me if he's hacking tbh and the whole idling thing doesn't make sense to me either
I lobbied against him a bit a go and when I called him out on his aim he kept saying he had played 2 seasons of invite and this was his alt. However, he refused to tell me who he was or even what team he had played on. Im just gunna assume that this is how he convices others he's not cheating
I lobbied against him a bit a go and when I called him out on his aim he kept saying he had played 2 seasons of invite and this was his alt. However, he refused to tell me who he was or even what team he had played on. Im just gunna assume that this is how he convices others he's not cheating
dollarlayerOne might ask, if they are using an aimbot why isn't their accuracy 100%? The answer is simple:
TF2 hitreg is shit. I've seen plenty of demos of players using full blown aimbots and in the logs they end up with 93%-97% accuracy.
dollarlayer94% scattergun accuracy across 4635 damage.
69% sniper accuracy across a damage sample size of 4951
As you stated with scout accuracy with IM and Invite players they're usally around 60-75% accuracy.
Platinum snipers also tend to get accuracy of about 35-55% (map / good day dependent)
Max!: http://logs.tf/582687
Corsa: http://logs.tf/725606
bowswer5: http://logs.tf/721928
bryan: http://logs.tf/721965
myself: http://logs.tf/677768 ; http://logs.tf/332815(when I was in plat)
if you ever see a sniper getting 60% accuracy or higher
1. They took very few shots, and made very little impact outside a very short period of time
2. They played really passive and just waited for everyshot, usually these players have little to no impact on the game and take shots no one would think was hacking
3. They're a platinum sniper playing against steel players
4. they're cheating
1. Usually sniping in 6s is when you see this
and honestly 4 is significantly more common then the other 2 options.
[quote=dollarlayer]One might ask, if they are using an aimbot why isn't their accuracy 100%? The answer is simple:[/quote]
TF2 hitreg is shit. I've seen plenty of demos of players using full blown aimbots and in the logs they end up with 93%-97% accuracy.
[quote=dollarlayer]
94% scattergun accuracy across 4635 damage.
69% sniper accuracy across a damage sample size of 4951
[/quote]
As you stated with scout accuracy with IM and Invite players they're usally around 60-75% accuracy.
Platinum snipers also tend to get accuracy of about 35-55% (map / good day dependent)
Max!: http://logs.tf/582687
Corsa: http://logs.tf/725606
bowswer5: http://logs.tf/721928
bryan: http://logs.tf/721965
myself: http://logs.tf/677768 ; http://logs.tf/332815(when I was in plat)
if you ever see a sniper getting 60% accuracy or higher
1. They took very few shots, and made very little impact outside a very short period of time
2. They played really passive and just waited for everyshot, usually these players have little to no impact on the game and take shots no one would think was hacking
3. They're a platinum sniper playing against steel players
4. they're cheating
1. Usually sniping in 6s is when you see this
and honestly 4 is significantly more common then the other 2 options.
I've played several lobbies against him, I would agree that he cheats.
I've played several lobbies against him, I would agree that he cheats.
Played with/against this guy plenty of times in lobbies and he was always a really obvious cheater. He's a nice kid though, and doesn't play competitively so he doesn't get any major publicity.
Played with/against this guy plenty of times in lobbies and he was always a really obvious cheater. He's a nice kid though, and doesn't play competitively so he doesn't get any major publicity.
He's friends with [url=http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198138448692]Max Box's old account[/url] on Steam.
I think it's safe to say we know which cheat he's using.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/user/maxboxlmaobox/videos]Max Box's YouTube channel[/url]
[url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/annoyingprogamers]He's also in Max Box's Steam group that's filled with cheaters.[/url]
fadeHe's friends with Max Box's old account on Steam.
I think it's safe to say we know which cheat he's using.
Max Box's YouTube channel
He's also in Max Box's Steam group that's filled with cheaters.
i saw the first video and i bursted into laughter when i saw that "spy camera"
its like those rear-view cameras on those cars when u try to park
[quote=fade]He's friends with [url=http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198138448692]Max Box's old account[/url] on Steam.
I think it's safe to say we know which cheat he's using.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/user/maxboxlmaobox/videos]Max Box's YouTube channel[/url]
[url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/annoyingprogamers]He's also in Max Box's Steam group that's filled with cheaters.[/url][/quote]
i saw the first video and i bursted into laughter when i saw that "spy camera"
its like those rear-view cameras on those cars when u try to park
tetrominoHe was investigated last season in UGC steel and there wasn't any action taken against besides a week ban for not having pov demos recorded.
UGC is very conservative with cheating bans, requiring convincing match evidence. The anti cheat team does look at every report with substance though.
Anyone feel free to add me if you want to contact an admin about this stuff, and i can make sure whatever relevant info ends up in the right channels. The TFTV forums won't always reach one of us. (please comment first or have a recognizable name if your profile is private, sick of bots)
[quote=tetromino]He was investigated last season in UGC steel and there wasn't any action taken against besides a week ban for not having pov demos recorded.[/quote]
UGC is very conservative with cheating bans, requiring convincing match evidence. The anti cheat team does look at every report with substance though.
Anyone feel free to add me if you want to contact an admin about this stuff, and i can make sure whatever relevant info ends up in the right channels. The TFTV forums won't always reach one of us. (please comment first or have a recognizable name if your profile is private, sick of bots)
wfadeHe's friends with Max Box's old account on Steam.
I think it's safe to say we know which cheat he's using.
Max Box's YouTube channel
He's also in Max Box's Steam group that's filled with cheaters.
i saw the first video and i bursted into laughter when i saw that "spy camera"
its like those rear-view cameras on those cars when u try to park
yo you laugh but my mom swears by that shit and she is right
[quote=w][quote=fade]He's friends with [url=http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198138448692]Max Box's old account[/url] on Steam.
I think it's safe to say we know which cheat he's using.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/user/maxboxlmaobox/videos]Max Box's YouTube channel[/url]
[url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/annoyingprogamers]He's also in Max Box's Steam group that's filled with cheaters.[/url][/quote]
i saw the first video and i bursted into laughter when i saw that "spy camera"
its like those rear-view cameras on those cars when u try to park[/quote] yo you laugh but my mom swears by that shit and she is right
smobowfadeHe's friends with Max Box's old account on Steam.
I think it's safe to say we know which cheat he's using.
Max Box's YouTube channel
He's also in Max Box's Steam group that's filled with cheaters.
i saw the first video and i bursted into laughter when i saw that "spy camera"
its like those rear-view cameras on those cars when u try to park
yo you laugh but my mom swears by that shit and she is right
at the beginning of l4d2 melee weapons did an insane amount of dmg to tanks and thirdperson was enabled/unblocked so i had a button bound to pretty much do just that
fun times
[quote=smobo][quote=w][quote=fade]He's friends with [url=http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198138448692]Max Box's old account[/url] on Steam.
I think it's safe to say we know which cheat he's using.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/user/maxboxlmaobox/videos]Max Box's YouTube channel[/url]
[url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/annoyingprogamers]He's also in Max Box's Steam group that's filled with cheaters.[/url][/quote]
i saw the first video and i bursted into laughter when i saw that "spy camera"
its like those rear-view cameras on those cars when u try to park[/quote] yo you laugh but my mom swears by that shit and she is right[/quote]
at the beginning of l4d2 melee weapons did an insane amount of dmg to tanks and thirdperson was enabled/unblocked so i had a button bound to pretty much do just that
fun times