Every team I've played with since season 5 has just called out uber times based on the minimum amount of time they could possibly be taking to build another. If you know when their medic spawns/ends uber/etc. you can probably estimate within a good 5% of what their percentage is. Solemn vow really does not afford a massive advantage since anything it is doing for you is fairly easily made up by other members of your team comming and watching the enemy team properly. It might be nice to call focuses at mids, but even then that's probably handled by the pocket and fairly easily estimated.

Did these guys really vote to ban an item that does nothing except give the sniper 25 extra health?

For God's sake man up.

Actually nvm you guys are right Ruwin singlehandedly won all of mixup's gpit matches sniping into blu spawn with 150hp instead of 125.

Too easy to give overheals that keep you from getting 150 headshot. Other than that I don't really care about it.

Season 12 -> Season 13

Unbanned:
- Baby Face's Blaster
- Concheror
- Righteous Bison
- Manmelter
- Scorch Shot
- Third Degree
- Neon Annhiliator? (not voted on)
- Splendid Screen
- Dalokohs Bar
- Family Business
- Warrior's Spiit
- Eviction Notice
- Solemn Vow
- Shahanshah
- Red-Tape Recorder

Banned:
- Frontier Justice
- Darwin's Danger Shield

yeah because all snipers go for picks without buffs right?

Doubt it's banned.

How often is the uber saw actually used to gain ubercharge though? It seems as if the only time where it would be really useful is for defending last and getting that last bit of ubercharge.

I feel like allowing the Red Tape Recorder is kinda bad, especially since the Dead Ringer is allowed. While Engineer is not a popular off-class by any means, it is pretty integral to how Gravel Pit is typically played, and the RTR is a buggy overpowered unlock that with minimal skill involved wrecks an Engineer. Even if the Engineer reacts as fast as he possibly can, the RTR will always downlevel a sentry by 1 level, and if it downlevels a Dispenser it takes away all the metal inside of it. All you have to do is use the Dead Ringer to suicide sap buildings and you get easy downlevels on everything.

It is even banned in Highlander because of how broken it is, imo I wouldn't allow it just because it could really mess with GPit potentially. Even if the Engineer does basically everything right he gets punished unless he knows ahead of time where/when the Spy is coming.

rip frontier justice

IN MEMORY OF ANONEMOUSE

Wow it is pretty broken, watched the wiki demonstration. There should definitely be a revote, considering how it's next to impossible to stop it from downgrading something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uypIj4W20gE#t=4m14s
Starts swinging a second after the sap, it's already a level 2 with 0/200. Ridiculous.

I don't really understand why the screen is unbanned either, it allows for an instant large amount of damage with it's charge and then the demo can immediately follow that up with a hit from his melee which will probably be crit boosted or at least minicrit buffed from the charge. While it doesn't offer near as much explosive resistance as the targe, I think its potential damage output makes the screen a clear upgrade from the targe.

I don't think anyone doubts it's an upgrade over the targe, it's just that stickies. It's more of in the lame zone more than anywhere near overpowered.

I agree completely, it leads to some pretty stupid strategies on a map that a lot of people hate in the first place. Considering that only 2/7 voted to ban it, it seems like the majority of voters don't really know how overpowered the weapon is, unless the thought is that spies aren't drawn towards a sentry anyway, so why ban the weapon since now spies have an option to go for the buildings over players.

Maybe in invite this won't be a problem, but in open I can see teams running a spy to get that sentry out of the way, since oftentimes the sentry is the real problem, not uber, that teams have pushing into gravelpit B.

Surprised the wrap assassin was that close.

Thanks for digging this up, it's a very good video. It takes 1.6 seconds for the RTR to downgrade a sentry 1 level, it takes exactly 1.6 seconds for an Engineer to swing his wrench twice once you count melee weapon firing delay I believe so unless if you basically start pre-firing the 1st wrench hit (completely unreasonable), it's going to get downgraded no matter what. Plus in a real game if you get caught off guard or the Spy does stuff while your team is distracted by people near C, you're realistically looking at probably 2 downgrades(unless if you break the Sapper first and let the Spy shoot you a bunch I suppose), so now defense has a shitty level 1 SG. You basically have to make sure a Spy never ever gets remotely near your Sentry gun, because the instant he does you are going to lose a huge amount of firepower, it seems pretty unreasonable to have to dedicate so much focus to something just because even if you react perfectly it's going to fuck you over anyways.

pls revote/ban red tape recorder

Does it matter that much for 6v6?

It matters for the same reason the Wrangler (or any of the Engineer bans) does, even though you will almost never see an Engineer off-class, it matters on Gravel Pit where Engineer is in basically every match. The RTR makes the Engineers job neigh useless.

Goodluck jumping gravelpit c or entering cleanly not on fire with the scorch shot. It has full kockback and bounces igniting anyone in its area. Its like flaming grenade pipes.

With the scent of lemons!

Going to be interesting seeing if the Babyface Blaster gets used by scouts on defense to build the speed up then book it for backcaps.

EDIT: Another thought, if a Scout uses the Blaster on rollouts they can hang back with the medic to build uber with the Boston Basher then cover the flank. Yes you're sacrificing a bit of firepower on mid but being able to get uber early would allow for a immediate push off of mid.

But it also does 15 damage and doesn't crit or minicrit burning enemies, no real reason to use it over any other secondary the pyro has.

there are already multiple counters to a sentry which an engi can't reliably stop, sentry is about forcing teams to deal with it and spending extra time on it not actually keeping the thing up

even if it gets downleveled by 1 that still leaves the engi in a better position than if someone just snipes it twice with the DH for example and a DH soldier is more useful in the subsequent fight than a spy who is probably dead after sapping

i think its kind of a dumb unlock but its not like this is going to be gamechanging

You can repair a DH soldier. You cannot repair against the RTR without losing a level. Also, you can't compare a soldier who can get shot at and noticed beforehand to a spy that can get behind cover and come from somewhere you normally wouldn't check. If a soldier gets on B point (where spies usually uncloak and attack from) there will be a notice that the point is getting capped. Spies won't trigger this. Spies also don't get shot at instantly.

It's dumb enough to get banned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ZLf_lQYaw

Is there any way to see which team is which? Specifically H.

Can someone please link me where I can download the white list, I can't seem to find it anywhere (yes I googled)

Getting uber early won't matter when you're as slow as a demo without sticky jumps and your flank or demo/unbuffed soldiers are getting fucked by their 6 at mid

why are the rainblower and lollichop banned?

Pyrovision is currently banned.