ESL and ESEA to host $1 million league

#61

dippidy

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LKincheloeWe're okay...

https://twitter.com/GrantVincent27/status/593218741350961154

real talk b4nny is lookin goood now...

[quote=LKincheloe]We're okay...

https://twitter.com/GrantVincent27/status/593218741350961154[/quote]

real talk b4nny is lookin goood now...

#62

deetr

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gargleburryMr_OwlrAz3people paid for the season already
it wont be this seasonIf there isn't going to be another season of tf2 after this season i feel like most people will just quit esea. Most people have goals like me for instance, I wanted to make it to invite before quitting. If there isn't a possible way for me to do that then why even bother playing a next season? Plus since its a confirmed last season everyone would be throwing and no one would try there would be no competitive spirit.

If it's the last season I feel like people would try even harder to win, not throw (not that I believe it will be the last season anyway)

[quote=gargleburry][quote=Mr_Owl][quote=rAz3]people paid for the season already[/quote]

it wont be this season[/quote]
If there isn't going to be another season of tf2 after this season i feel like most people will just quit esea. Most people have goals like me for instance, I wanted to make it to invite before quitting. If there isn't a possible way for me to do that then why even bother playing a next season? Plus since its a confirmed last season everyone would be throwing and no one would try there would be no competitive spirit.[/quote]

If it's the last season I feel like people would try even harder to win, not throw (not that I believe it will be the last season anyway)

#63

2c

18 Frags – +

banny and carl and smoene else i dont remember got invited to go to valve office but i thought it was next month

esports

banny and carl and smoene else i dont remember got invited to go to valve office but i thought it was next month

esports

#64

aiera

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stop biting at the hands that feed us, they haven't missed a meal yet, and there is no proof they won't. they hav been running a tf2 league at a loss for all these years, we should support them into the future and wait for proof that they dropped us from their league before we come to conclusions.

#65

sola

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aierastop biting at the hands that feed us, they haven't missed a meal yet, and there is no proof they won't. they hav been running a tf2 league at a loss for all these years, we should support them into the future and wait for proof that they dropped us from their league before we come to conclusions.

I think if they were losing money they wouldve dropped us a whil ago, they probably break even or make marginal profits. but, yeah i think lpkane isnt a "bad" dude. He seems pretty chill at lan, he runs a tf2 divison with marginal profits, although he says some stupid shit online as most of of us do sometimes, i dont think the whole "i h8 lpkane becuz he h8s tf2" thing isnt getting us anywhere

[quote=aiera]stop biting at the hands that feed us, they haven't missed a meal yet, and there is no proof they won't. they hav been running a tf2 league at a loss for all these years, we should support them into the future and wait for proof that they dropped us from their league before we come to conclusions.[/quote]

I think if they were losing money they wouldve dropped us a whil ago, they probably break even or make marginal profits. but, yeah i think lpkane isnt a "bad" dude. He seems pretty chill at lan, he runs a tf2 divison with marginal profits, although he says some stupid shit online as most of of us do sometimes, i dont think the whole "i h8 lpkane becuz he h8s tf2" thing isnt getting us anywhere

#66

DrPloxo

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aierastop biting at the hands that feed us, they haven't missed a meal yet, and there is no proof they won't. they hav been running a tf2 league at a loss for all these years, we should support them into the future and wait for proof that they dropped us from their league before we come to conclusions.DrPloxoSchweppesRainofLightthe fact tf2 isn't mentioned anywhere at all is more insulting than them just saying they cut tf2 from lanI don't see why you think so, less than 2%(?) of esea's paying users are TF2 players, their tf2 section operates at a loss and it's an announcement of a huge partnership between ESEA and ESL specifically for csgo. I'm not implying TF2 is shit or anything because it's not, but the overwhelming majority of the people interested in this news don't care or don't know about esea's tf2 divisionI'm pretty sure they "operating at a loss" thing has been shown to be wrong since 2013.

[quote=aiera]stop biting at the hands that feed us, they haven't missed a meal yet, and there is no proof they won't. they hav been running a tf2 league at a loss for all these years, we should support them into the future and wait for proof that they dropped us from their league before we come to conclusions.[/quote]
[quote=DrPloxo][quote=Schweppes][quote=RainofLight]the fact tf2 isn't mentioned anywhere at all is more insulting than them just saying they cut tf2 from lan[/quote]
I don't see why you think so, less than 2%(?) of esea's paying users are TF2 players, their tf2 section operates at a loss and it's an announcement of a huge partnership between ESEA and ESL [i]specifically[/i] for csgo. I'm not implying TF2 is shit or anything because it's not, but the overwhelming majority of the people interested in this news don't care or don't know about esea's tf2 division[/quote]
I'm pretty sure they "operating at a loss" thing has been shown to be wrong since 2013.[/quote]

#67

RRP

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj-xzwspvQc

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj-xzwspvQc[/youtube]

#68

DrPloxo

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dashnerI lost the document but enigma crunched the numbers awhile ago that proved that ESEA loses money on TF2. I don't know where you're getting your info from Ploxo.

It was from the same thread a while ago, perhaps my memory is shitty now.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wrjo4usIEol59aO0-EqT4hbCFm38ZBvilEb9sr3AsuQ/edit#gid=0
Got it.
This doesn't cover ad revenue (which may very well be trivial) and off season premium. Also, fees have been adjusted since.

[quote=dashner]I lost the document but enigma crunched the numbers awhile ago that proved that ESEA loses money on TF2. I don't know where you're getting your info from Ploxo.[/quote]
It was from the same thread a while ago, perhaps my memory is shitty now.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wrjo4usIEol59aO0-EqT4hbCFm38ZBvilEb9sr3AsuQ/edit#gid=0
Got it.
This doesn't cover ad revenue (which may very well be trivial) and off season premium. Also, fees have been adjusted since.

#69

DjRoomba

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that spreadsheet clearly shows them operating at a loss

#70

DrPloxo

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DjRoombathat spreadsheet clearly shows them operating at a loss

in S15, yes
I'll dink around and see if they still will be

[quote=DjRoomba]that spreadsheet clearly shows them operating at a loss[/quote]
in S15, yes
I'll dink around and see if they still will be

#71

sola

8 Frags – +

I dont believe they write articles anymore on esea

#72

KevinIsPwn

newbie.tf

1 Frags – +

s15 was a big season (and included main fees). i doubt they will be bringing in more player fees now than then.

#73

Skarlett

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i wonder how much money has been made from people forgetting to cancel their subscription

#74

conductor

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kounterpartsI dont believe they write articles anymore on esea

they killed the tf2 section on esea news right before playoffs in season 15; they were going to keep coverage for invite, but bloodsire stopped writing and they presumably just didn't care to bother finding a replacement

[quote=kounterparts]I dont believe they write articles anymore on esea[/quote]

they killed the tf2 section on esea news right before playoffs in season 15; they were going to keep coverage for invite, but bloodsire stopped writing and they presumably just didn't care to bother finding a replacement

#75

DrPloxo

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Still a loss unless there's a Prize Pot difference or 99% of players actually register and pay fees for the whole season.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yx0N3xqKHYLTstv0vPghibXK2Ie_2IsxVIBo1BW_isQ/edit#gid=0
(I only factored in regular season, so 8 weeks/2months)
I guess I have a little egg on my face.

Still a loss unless there's a Prize Pot difference or 99% of players actually register and pay fees for the whole season.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yx0N3xqKHYLTstv0vPghibXK2Ie_2IsxVIBo1BW_isQ/edit#gid=0
(I only factored in regular season, so 8 weeks/2months)
I guess I have a little egg on my face.

#76

BLoodSire

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conductorkounterpartsI dont believe they write articles anymore on esea
they killed the tf2 section on esea news right before playoffs in season 15; they were going to keep coverage for invite, but bloodsire stopped writing and they presumably just didn't care to bother finding a replacement

I didn't just stop writing. There had been no updates, no meetings, no communication for some time. When I did finally speak with someone it was clear they weren't going to be supporting the coverage anymore.

[quote=conductor][quote=kounterparts]I dont believe they write articles anymore on esea[/quote]

they killed the tf2 section on esea news right before playoffs in season 15; they were going to keep coverage for invite, but bloodsire stopped writing and they presumably just didn't care to bother finding a replacement[/quote]

I didn't just stop writing. There had been no updates, no meetings, no communication for some time. When I did finally speak with someone it was clear they weren't going to be supporting the coverage anymore.

#77

trippa

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Ok with the new news it would be such a shame if ESEA dropped LAN now

#78

conductor

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BLoodSireI didn't just stop writing. There had been no updates, no meetings, no communication for some time. When I did finally speak with someone it was clear they weren't going to be supporting the coverage anymore.

ah ok, you had always generally seemed like you were pretty busy with real life affairs, so I just assumed you had stepped back because of that since all I knew was what few said in his email to us.

Hey Guys,

I want to personally thank you for all of the time and dedication that you have put forth this season, but moving forward we will no longer be covering the lower divisions of ESEA TF2. We will continue to cover the Invite division and ESEA LAN.

It is a shame that they dropped the division as soon as they picked up an entire new writing staff though, but oh well I guess

[quote=BLoodSire]I didn't just stop writing. There had been no updates, no meetings, no communication for some time. When I did finally speak with someone it was clear they weren't going to be supporting the coverage anymore.[/quote]

ah ok, you had always generally seemed like you were pretty busy with real life affairs, so I just assumed you had stepped back because of that since all I knew was what few said in his email to us.

[quote]Hey Guys,

I want to personally thank you for all of the time and dedication that you have put forth this season, but moving forward we will no longer be covering the lower divisions of ESEA TF2. We will continue to cover the Invite division and ESEA LAN.[/quote]

It is a shame that they dropped the division as soon as they picked up an entire new writing staff though, but oh well I guess

#79

Schweppes

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http://esport.aftonbladet.se/esport/report-mtg-makes-an-offer-to-buy-esl/

#80

Twitch

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alfaI don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.

at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers

[quote=alfa]I don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.[/quote]

at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers

#81

dippidy

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TwitchalfaI don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.
at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/289/1/9/stop_sign_jack_black_by_theshinytyphlosion-d6qnzh4.jpg

[quote=Twitch][quote=alfa]I don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.[/quote]

at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers[/quote]

[img]http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/289/1/9/stop_sign_jack_black_by_theshinytyphlosion-d6qnzh4.jpg[/img]

#82

hannah

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TwitchalfaI don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.
at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers

this is why ipkane doesn't like tf2 players

that was literally two years ago

If you want to play ESEA just shut up

[quote=Twitch][quote=alfa]I don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.[/quote]

at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers[/quote]

this is why ipkane doesn't like tf2 players

that was literally two years ago

If you want to play ESEA just shut up

#83

Twitch

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omnificthis is why ipkane doesn't like tf2 players

that was literally two years ago

If you want to play ESEA just shut up

i guess you're right, i really really want to so i should let go of what's in the past

[quote=omnific]
this is why ipkane doesn't like tf2 players

that was literally two years ago

If you want to play ESEA just shut up[/quote]

i guess you're right, i really really want to so i should let go of what's in the past

#84

LKincheloe

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ESEA Announcement: http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=14549

Nothing on TF2. It's Euro only moveups thus far.

ESEA Announcement: http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=14549

Nothing on TF2. It's Euro only moveups thus far.

#85

twenty2020

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omnificTwitchalfaI don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.
at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers
this is why ipkane doesn't like tf2 players

that was literally two years ago

If you want to play ESEA just shut up

That and calling him ipkane....

[quote=omnific][quote=Twitch][quote=alfa]I don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.[/quote]

at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers[/quote]

this is why ipkane doesn't like tf2 players

that was literally two years ago

If you want to play ESEA just shut up[/quote]
That and calling him ipkane....

#86

hannah

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twenty2020omnificTwitchalfaI don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.
at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers
this is why ipkane doesn't like tf2 players

that was literally two years ago

If you want to play ESEA just shut upThat and calling him ipkane....

pretty sure he's fine with people making mistakes

[quote=twenty2020][quote=omnific][quote=Twitch][quote=alfa]I don't think it has to do anything with one event or one person rather, but more with the fact that ESEA has been trashed on occasion including in the whole ESEA vs Cevo fiasco. Was nice seeing people at LAN every once in a while, rip.[/quote]

at least one of those leagues didn't mine bitcoin on our computers[/quote]

this is why ipkane doesn't like tf2 players

that was literally two years ago

If you want to play ESEA just shut up[/quote]
That and calling him ipkane....[/quote]

pretty sure he's fine with people making mistakes

#87

flatline

9 Frags – +

hear me out

what if they were going to drop tf2 from lan but after hearing the news they decide to bring back ESL tf2 and put it on the world stage

stay positive boys

hear me out

what if they were going to drop tf2 from lan but after hearing the news they decide to bring back ESL tf2 and put it on the world stage

stay positive boys

#88

KevinIsPwn

newbie.tf

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flatlinehear me out

what if they were going to drop tf2 from lan but after hearing the news they decide to bring back ESL tf2 and put it on the world stage

stay positive boys

there's a difference between positive and disillusion.

[quote=flatline]hear me out

what if they were going to drop tf2 from lan but after hearing the news they decide to bring back ESL tf2 and put it on the world stage

stay positive boys[/quote]
there's a difference between positive and disillusion.

#89

sola

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KevinIsPwnflatlinehear me out

what if they were going to drop tf2 from lan but after hearing the news they decide to bring back ESL tf2 and put it on the world stage

stay positive boysthere's a difference between positive and disillusion.

theres a difference between hope and killing dreams

[quote=KevinIsPwn][quote=flatline]hear me out

what if they were going to drop tf2 from lan but after hearing the news they decide to bring back ESL tf2 and put it on the world stage

stay positive boys[/quote]
there's a difference between positive and disillusion.[/quote]

theres a difference between hope and killing dreams

#90

hannah

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KevinIsPwnflatlinehear me out

what if they were going to drop tf2 from lan but after hearing the news they decide to bring back ESL tf2 and put it on the world stage

stay positive boysthere's a difference between positive and disillusion.

I think that even if tf2 is dropped from ESEA, it'll get picked up by another league due to all of the attention that competitive matchmaking there's a really good chance that someone else will pick it up. And it'll be bigger than before

[quote=KevinIsPwn][quote=flatline]hear me out

what if they were going to drop tf2 from lan but after hearing the news they decide to bring back ESL tf2 and put it on the world stage

stay positive boys[/quote]
there's a difference between positive and disillusion.[/quote]

I think that even if tf2 is dropped from ESEA, it'll get picked up by another league due to all of the attention that competitive matchmaking there's a really good chance that someone else will pick it up. And it'll be bigger than before