I've been looking to get a new mouse and mousepad but I can't seem to make up my mind.
I'm currently using the Corsair M65 and the Razer Goliathus, but I felt that the combination of a hefty mouse and cloth pad is negatively affecting my twitch aim (which I rely on a lot), which is why I decided to get new mouse peripherals. Besides, I might as well use this as an excuse to finally get myself an optical mouse.
From reading reviews on TFTV and elsewhere, I narrowed down my mouse choices to the Zowie FK2 and the Logitech G502.
I would have gone with the FK2 (partially because of their popularity in the TF2 community), but I was hearing how Zowie mice have fairly high innate click latency and I was a bit afraid that the huano switches might affect my reaction time. Is the delay (and the switch) particularly noticeable, especially for classes like Sniper? Is it just a nocebo effect?
I haven't heard anything particularly negative about the G502 (other than 12000DPI being impressive but utterly impractical), but are there any known problems or quality issues with the mouse that I may have missed?
For both of the mice, can they be used comfortably with a claw grip (the G502 in particular)? My hands aren't particularly wide, but I do have long fingers. Any insight would be appreciated.
As for the mousepad, I wanted a pad that was both comfortable for long sessions but had low friction. Naturally, I gravitated towards hybrid pads and settled on the Zowie TF Speed. How long can I expect the pad to last? Does it wear out mouse feet, the mousepad or both? Does the glide get uneven after heavy use, or does it last as long as a hard pad? Can I clean it easily? Are there viable or superior alternatives that I should consider?
I realize that there's a lot of threads asking for mouse and mousepad help and I apologize if I come across as being too lazy to do my own research, but I would like to have as many opinions on this as possible since I plan on not buying any more mice for at least a couple years.
I've been looking to get a new mouse and mousepad but I can't seem to make up my mind.
I'm currently using the Corsair M65 and the Razer Goliathus, but I felt that the combination of a hefty mouse and cloth pad is negatively affecting my twitch aim (which I rely on a lot), which is why I decided to get new mouse peripherals. Besides, I might as well use this as an excuse to finally get myself an optical mouse.
From reading reviews on TFTV and elsewhere, I narrowed down my mouse choices to the Zowie FK2 and the Logitech G502.
I would have gone with the FK2 (partially because of their popularity in the TF2 community), but I was hearing how Zowie mice have fairly high innate click latency and I was a bit afraid that the huano switches might affect my reaction time. Is the delay (and the switch) particularly noticeable, especially for classes like Sniper? Is it just a nocebo effect?
I haven't heard anything particularly negative about the G502 (other than 12000DPI being impressive but utterly impractical), but are there any known problems or quality issues with the mouse that I may have missed?
For both of the mice, can they be used comfortably with a claw grip (the G502 in particular)? My hands aren't particularly wide, but I do have long fingers. Any insight would be appreciated.
As for the mousepad, I wanted a pad that was both comfortable for long sessions but had low friction. Naturally, I gravitated towards hybrid pads and settled on the Zowie TF Speed. How long can I expect the pad to last? Does it wear out mouse feet, the mousepad or both? Does the glide get uneven after heavy use, or does it last as long as a hard pad? Can I clean it easily? Are there viable or superior alternatives that I should consider?
I realize that there's a lot of threads asking for mouse and mousepad help and I apologize if I come across as being too lazy to do my own research, but I would like to have as many opinions on this as possible since I plan on not buying any more mice for at least a couple years.
When looking at mice, I usually look at three different aspects.
Build quality, Sensor quality and size.
First you need to fix a budget for yourself, once that's settled in, you can start looking at the 3-ish things.
Size
Hands size, To measure your hand like the pros, place your hand palm down on a flat surface and stretch your fingers as far as possible. The measurement is from the outside of your thumb to the outside of your pinky finger. Then from your middle finger to the lowest part of your hand. that's you vertical and horizontal hand measurements. Once that is done, you can finally understand how big your hand actually is (to see if it's a big, small or medium hand, just google it.)
Once that is done, you need to look at the size of the mice that you can buy, narrowing down your possible options. Having less options makes it easier to decide which one you want.
Grip - follow up of size
There are mainly 3 types of grips, all the other types are pretty much hybrids of those. Those are: Palm, Claw and Fingertip, for more information about those, click HERE Essentially, if you palm, you could go for a larger mouse, but if you claw or fingertip, you might want to use a smaller type of mice.
Build quality
Pretty self explanatory, how longer the mouse will last, how the buttons work, textures, shape and all that fall in here almost. The main thing about this is that many mice manufacturers these days have inconsistent build quality, meaning that issues may occur more frequently than you want. To check out that, just google some reviews and look for the biggest issues that multiple users have come across.
Sensor quality
Just follow this link
Weight - follow up of build quality
Weight is very important for some people, I personally find that lighter mice are easier to control, but some people don't mind weight, however, what I can tell from experience, is that mice with additional stuff (RGB Lightining, Wireless system and whatnot) are generally heavier than the ones without those. It's up to you, how you like it and if you care enough about it or not.
When looking at mice, I usually look at three different aspects.
Build quality, Sensor quality and size.
First you need to fix a budget for yourself, once that's settled in, you can start looking at the 3-ish things.
[b]Size[/b]
Hands size, To measure your hand like the pros, place your hand palm down on a flat surface and stretch your fingers as far as possible. The measurement is from the outside of your thumb to the outside of your pinky finger. Then from your middle finger to the lowest part of your hand. that's you vertical and horizontal hand measurements. Once that is done, you can finally understand how big your hand actually is (to see if it's a big, small or medium hand, just google it.)
Once that is done, you need to look at the size of the mice that you can buy, narrowing down your possible options. Having less options makes it easier to decide which one you want.
[b]Grip[/b] - [i]follow up of size[/i]
There are mainly 3 types of grips, all the other types are pretty much hybrids of those. Those are: Palm, Claw and Fingertip, for more information about those, click [url=http://mygracze.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Mouse-grips-crop.png]HERE[/url] Essentially, if you palm, you could go for a larger mouse, but if you claw or fingertip, you might want to use a smaller type of mice.
[b]Build quality[/b]
Pretty self explanatory, how longer the mouse will last, how the buttons work, textures, shape and all that fall in here almost. The main thing about this is that many mice manufacturers these days have inconsistent build quality, meaning that issues may occur more frequently than you want. To check out that, just google some reviews and look for the biggest issues that multiple users have come across.
[b]Sensor quality[/b]
Just follow this [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZzbKDmFOqsP_ut2RdctD01OEbZzbXol6HLwqVkSmZcg/edit#gid=0]link[/url]
[b]Weight[/b] - [i]follow up of build quality[/i]
Weight is very important for some people, I personally find that lighter mice are easier to control, but some people don't mind weight, however, what I can tell from experience, is that mice with additional stuff (RGB Lightining, Wireless system and whatnot) are generally heavier than the ones without those. It's up to you, how you like it and if you care enough about it or not.
g303 and puretrak talent
there u go u r now strong winner!!!
g303 and puretrak talent
there u go u r now strong winner!!!
When looking at Mousepads, I generally look for 2 things, size and texture.
Size
I use a relatively low sensitivity, 69.2cm/360 or 27". I prefer larger pads so that I don't have to keep resetting my initial position too often or so that I don't run out of space too often. Generally speaking, you will want a mousepad LARGER than your sensitivity, so that you never run out of space, however, if that is not possible (my case), you might want to invest in the biggest mousepad that you know. My suggestions are either Zowie, Steelseries or Puretrak all black mousepads, since ALL mice will work on those.
Texture
Here's a relatively short but very informative video that tells a bit about control speed and such.
Remember that when buying cloth mousepads, they will stack up dust on it, so try to wash them as often as possible, dust might damage your lens and it will change the feel of the mousepad over time, it will glide differently than when you originally had it.
As well as when you buy Hard Surface mousepads, they might have to be replaced every now and then due to the friction between your mouse's feet and the mousepad itself.
Some surfaces and colours can't be used together with some sensors, especially optical sensors, so watch out for those, do a quick research on the mouse that you are buying as well as the mousepad that you are buying to see if they run fine together.
When looking at Mousepads, I generally look for 2 things, size and texture.
[b]Size[/b]
I use a relatively low sensitivity, 69.2cm/360 or 27". I prefer larger pads so that I don't have to keep resetting my initial position too often or so that I don't run out of space too often. Generally speaking, you will want a mousepad LARGER than your sensitivity, so that you never run out of space, however, if that is not possible (my case), you might want to invest in the biggest mousepad that you know. My suggestions are either Zowie, Steelseries or Puretrak all black mousepads, since ALL mice will work on those.
[b]Texture[/b]
Here's a relatively short but very informative [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-rCKUrgwdQ]video[/url] that tells a bit about control speed and such.
Remember that when buying cloth mousepads, they will stack up dust on it, so try to wash them as often as possible, dust might damage your lens and it will change the feel of the mousepad over time, it will glide differently than when you originally had it.
As well as when you buy Hard Surface mousepads, they might have to be replaced every now and then due to the friction between your mouse's feet and the mousepad itself.
Some surfaces and colours can't be used together with some sensors, especially optical sensors, so watch out for those, do a quick research on the mouse that you are buying as well as the mousepad that you are buying to see if they run fine together.
Maintenance
Mice
Some mice have really good large feet that rarely if not ever need to be replaced, but if you someday require to do it, it is pretty easy to do so, same for the mousewheel in some cases. Also, try not touching them with filthy oily fingers, wash your hands or rub some alcohol gel on them before usage, that way the surface won't get all messed up.
Mousespads
For cloth pads, you might just want to wash them regularly and not put any weight on them since it will make the surface uneven. To wash them just wash Head & Shoulders body wash on a kitchen sponge WHEN USING THE SOFT PART, the part that you hold your finger on, that way you won't ruin the surface.
For Hard pads, it depends on the surface really, if it's either glass, metal or whatnot, you may want to invest on an antiseptical spray and something to polish every now and then. Beware that those are sensitive things, so don't apply too much pressure on them, since they will get easily damaged. If it's worn out, you will have to get a new one, unfortuantely.
Maintenance
[b]Mice[/b]
Some mice have really good large feet that rarely if not ever need to be replaced, but if you someday require to do it, it is pretty easy to do so, same for the mousewheel in some cases. Also, try not touching them with filthy oily fingers, wash your hands or rub some alcohol gel on them before usage, that way the surface won't get all messed up.
[b]Mousespads[/b]
For [u]cloth pads[/u], you might just want to wash them regularly and not put any weight on them since it will make the surface uneven. To wash them just wash Head & Shoulders body wash on a kitchen sponge WHEN USING THE SOFT PART, the part that you hold your finger on, that way you won't ruin the surface.
For [u]Hard pads[/u], it depends on the surface really, if it's either glass, metal or whatnot, you may want to invest on an antiseptical spray and something to polish every now and then. Beware that those are sensitive things, so don't apply too much pressure on them, since they will get easily damaged. If it's worn out, you will have to get a new one, unfortuantely.
fk + puretrack / qck / goliathus
deathadder + puretrack / qck / goliathus
g400s + puretrack / qck / goliathus
g303 + puretrack / qck / goliathus
g400 (if you can find a seller) + puretrack / qck / goliathus
fk + puretrack / qck / goliathus
deathadder + puretrack / qck / goliathus
g400s + puretrack / qck / goliathus
g303 + puretrack / qck / goliathus
g400 (if you can find a seller) + puretrack / qck / goliathus
I use the Ninox Aurora because it's 3090 sensor implementation is near enough the best out of any 3090 mice, and because it's really light which is nice because my joints dislocate a lot. The low weight is really helpful in terms of wrist/elbow/shoulder strain/ache for me.
My mouse mat is the QCK Heavy, because I like smooth textured mats.
I use the Ninox Aurora because it's 3090 sensor implementation is near enough the best out of any 3090 mice, and because it's really light which is nice because my joints dislocate a lot. The low weight is really helpful in terms of wrist/elbow/shoulder strain/ache for me.
My mouse mat is the QCK Heavy, because I like smooth textured mats.
I mean these are all pretty good suggestions for a person who's just starting to look for a mouse and mousepad but I've already narrowed down what I'm currently seeking from a new mouse/mousepad.
As for the mouse, I'm pretty much sold for the G502, but I wanted to hear from players who have used the mouse whether there were any issues with it that couldn't be found in the reviews, or if the FK2 (which I now consider a close runner-up) was a better choice than the G502 for them for whatever reason other than it being LAN-friendly. Unless you can give me something that's objectively better suited to the criteria that I set forward (perfect optical sensor, great for claw grip, bonus points for low click latency), I'd probably be going with the G502.
G303 was one of my main considerations, but in the end I felt that it was too small for my hand to use for an extended period of time without getting cramped. Besides, I heard a lot about the mouse being uncomfortable because of its edges.
From what I know the G502's sensor is better in every way from the G400/G400s's and the G502 also has more macros for that extra "pro mlg gamer" look, correct me if I'm wrong. My budget is $200 so I can afford to get something expensive as long as it'll last me at least two years.
I don't want a Razer mouse, everything I got from them with the exception of the goliathus broke within a year. It doesn't matter if the new Deathadder comes with pixel-perfect precision and gives free blowjobs, I don't want it.
As I have said, I don't want a cloth pad - I already have the Razer goliathus speed, and I feel that it has too much friction. I want a pad with very fast glide, but still is comfortable to use (my desk has a straight edge and it cuts into my wrist when I play games, so I use the mousepad as a wrist-rest too). Hybrid pads seemed perfect for this purpose, and I'll be getting the Zowie TF Speed unless someone recommends me a different hybrid pad/hard-pad with wrist padding or someone writes a horror story about their experiences with the TF Speed.
The main point of making this thread was getting input from players who were already using one of the products that I have listed. I understand that you're trying to help, but there's no point in trying to convince a guy that won't listen anyways - all I'm trying to figure out is whether these products that seem good on paper are as good in real life.
I mean these are all pretty good suggestions for a person who's just starting to look for a mouse and mousepad but I've already narrowed down what I'm currently seeking from a new mouse/mousepad.
As for the mouse, I'm pretty much sold for the G502, but I wanted to hear from players who have used the mouse whether there were any issues with it that couldn't be found in the reviews, or if the FK2 (which I now consider a close runner-up) was a better choice than the G502 for them for whatever reason [b]other than[/b] it being LAN-friendly. Unless you can give me something that's objectively better suited to the criteria that I set forward (perfect optical sensor, great for claw grip, bonus points for low click latency), I'd probably be going with the G502.
G303 was one of my main considerations, but in the end I felt that it was too small for my hand to use for an extended period of time without getting cramped. Besides, I heard a lot about the mouse being uncomfortable because of its edges.
From what I know the G502's sensor is better in every way from the G400/G400s's and the G502 also has more macros for that extra "pro mlg gamer" look, correct me if I'm wrong. My budget is $200 so I can afford to get something expensive as long as it'll last me at least two years.
I don't want a Razer mouse, everything I got from them with the exception of the goliathus broke within a year. It doesn't matter if the new Deathadder comes with pixel-perfect precision and gives free blowjobs, I don't want it.
As I have said, I don't want a cloth pad - I already have the Razer goliathus speed, and I feel that it has too much friction. I want a pad with very fast glide, but still is comfortable to use (my desk has a straight edge and it cuts into my wrist when I play games, so I use the mousepad as a wrist-rest too). Hybrid pads seemed perfect for this purpose, and I'll be getting the Zowie TF Speed unless someone recommends me a different hybrid pad/hard-pad with wrist padding or someone writes a horror story about their experiences with the TF Speed.
The main point of making this thread was getting input from players who were already using one of the products that I have listed. I understand that you're trying to help, but there's no point in trying to convince a guy that won't listen anyways - [b]all I'm trying to figure out is whether these products that seem good on paper are as good in real life[/b].
i used a g500 and it was pretty awfull. died after 8 months, build in accel and the scrollweel was horrible. dont know about the g502
i used a g500 and it was pretty awfull. died after 8 months, build in accel and the scrollweel was horrible. dont know about the g502
G400s is a really good mouse at a low price. And you cant really go wrong with a qck mousepad
G400s is a really good mouse at a low price. And you cant really go wrong with a qck mousepad
I've been using Zowie FK with qck+ for almost two years now and both mouse and pad works like they're new. You can't go wrong with zowie or qck.
I've been using Zowie FK with qck+ for almost two years now and both mouse and pad works like they're new. You can't go wrong with zowie or qck.
MashpitSquaredG303 was one of my main considerations, but in the end I felt that it was too small for my hand to use for an extended period of time without getting cramped. Besides, I heard a lot about the mouse being uncomfortable because of its edges.
In my experience, the G303's edges are really easy to get used to. I used a G100s for 6 months, and now I've had G303 for 1 month and the shape doesn't feel as weird as it looks - it's unnoticeable to me. I got used to it in a day or two. I palm grip, but if you have bigger hands, a claw might work.
I've only ever had 2 problems with G303 though: the braided cable catches on to cloth pad edges, but I just put duct tape over the edge, and the sensor randomly got loose but that fixed itsself in a day. Hope any of that helps.
[quote=MashpitSquared]
G303 was one of my main considerations, but in the end I felt that it was too small for my hand to use for an extended period of time without getting cramped. Besides, I heard a lot about the mouse being uncomfortable because of its edges.
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In my experience, the G303's edges are really easy to get used to. I used a G100s for 6 months, and now I've had G303 for 1 month and the shape doesn't feel as weird as it looks - it's unnoticeable to me. I got used to it in a day or two. I palm grip, but if you have bigger hands, a claw might work.
I've only ever had 2 problems with G303 though: the braided cable catches on to cloth pad edges, but I just put duct tape over the edge, and the sensor randomly got loose but that fixed itsself in a day. Hope any of that helps.
The g303 is the best mouse on the market if you can adjust to the odd grip.
The best mousepad would be the Func 1030 XL, followed by the Corsair m200.
The g303 is the best mouse on the market if you can adjust to the odd grip.
The best mousepad would be the Func 1030 XL, followed by the Corsair m200.
qkc+ is the best price / quality imo
qkc+ is the best price / quality imo
The Func F-Series 10 XL is a quite expensive hard mousepad, but I can only recommend it. I've been using it for a few months now and my goliathus speed simply doesn't compare in terms of glide.
Then again if you don't want to spend too much on a mousepad, the qck+ should suit your needs. It also depends if you prefer a cloth or hard mousepad, the latter should in theory be more durable but not as comfortable as a cloth mousepad (it's all relative).
The Func F-Series 10 XL is a quite expensive hard mousepad, but I can only recommend it. I've been using it for a few months now and my goliathus speed simply doesn't compare in terms of glide.
Then again if you don't want to spend too much on a mousepad, the qck+ should suit your needs. It also depends if you prefer a cloth or hard mousepad, the latter should in theory be more durable but not as comfortable as a cloth mousepad (it's all relative).
OK I have a g502 and it's good but it's just too heavy. Also iirc the bottom scraped until I replaced the mouse feet. I wouldn't recommend it for fps based off the weight alone. I don't think it's great for claw gripping.
OK I have a g502 and it's good but it's just too heavy. Also iirc the bottom scraped until I replaced the mouse feet. I wouldn't recommend it for fps based off the weight alone. I don't think it's great for claw gripping.
g400s+ goliathus best combo i've ever had
g400s+ goliathus best combo i've ever had
I don't know if I would call the gtf speed a hybrid pad. The way I see it, hybrid pads use some combination of silicone and textile for the surface. I own the gtf and it's just a conventional fabric surface. It's "fast" because it's very tightly woven and it's attached to a glossy plastic backing. There's no cushion to it, so I guess in a way it feels more like a hardpad. It's a nice product don't get me wrong and the fastest cloth pad I've used. But when you say "hybrid" I think you're referring to something else.
I don't know if I would call the gtf speed a hybrid pad. The way I see it, hybrid pads use some combination of silicone and textile for the surface. I own the gtf and it's just a conventional fabric surface. It's "fast" because it's very tightly woven and it's attached to a glossy plastic backing. There's no cushion to it, so I guess in a way it feels more like a hardpad. It's a nice product don't get me wrong and the fastest cloth pad I've used. But when you say "hybrid" I think you're referring to something else.
puretrak talent + deathadder 2013 without mouse feet
puretrak talent + deathadder 2013 without mouse feet
while the qcK and qcK+ are very good quality for price, mine wore down a lot faster than i would have liked, making it rough and inconsistently textured. i've since replaced mine with a qcK Mass and I like it a lot.
i know artisan pads have problems with durability too, although they're probably the best textured pads you can get
while the qcK and qcK+ are very good quality for price, mine wore down a lot faster than i would have liked, making it rough and inconsistently textured. i've since replaced mine with a qcK Mass and I like it a lot.
i know artisan pads have problems with durability too, although they're probably the best textured pads you can get
FlickerThe Func F-Series 10 XL is a quite expensive hard mousepad, but I can only recommend it. I've been using it for a few months now and my goliathus speed simply doesn't compare in terms of glide.
Then again if you don't want to spend too much on a mousepad, the qck+ should suit your needs. It also depends if you prefer a cloth or hard mousepad, the latter should in theory be more durable but not as comfortable as a cloth mousepad (it's all relative).
it's expensive but it lasts forever. Best to buy one awesome pad than many cheap ones.
[quote=Flicker]The Func F-Series 10 XL is a quite expensive hard mousepad, but I can only recommend it. I've been using it for a few months now and my goliathus speed simply doesn't compare in terms of glide.
Then again if you don't want to spend too much on a mousepad, the qck+ should suit your needs. It also depends if you prefer a cloth or hard mousepad, the latter should in theory be more durable but not as comfortable as a cloth mousepad (it's all relative).[/quote] it's expensive but it lasts forever. Best to buy one awesome pad than many cheap ones.
stabbyFlickerquote
it's expensive but it lasts forever. Best to buy one awesome pad than many cheap ones.
Exactly, that's why I bought it in the first place, so I wouldn't have to buy another mousepad again :D
[quote=stabby][quote=Flicker]quote[/quote] it's expensive but it lasts forever. Best to buy one awesome pad than many cheap ones.[/quote]
Exactly, that's why I bought it in the first place, so I wouldn't have to buy another mousepad again :D
i haven't seen anything confirming or denying this fk click latency thing, is it true?
i haven't seen anything confirming or denying this fk click latency thing, is it true?
ShiftaOK I have a g502 and it's good but it's just too heavy. Also iirc the bottom scraped until I replaced the mouse feet. I wouldn't recommend it for fps based off the weight alone. I don't think it's great for claw gripping.
It's around 124g with all the weights out, right? That's good enough for me.
From what I know the mouse feet issue with the G502 was supposed to be fixed all the way back in July 2014 - when did you get your mouse?
I also heard that the shape was supposed to be conductive to a claw grip. What did you find particularly uncomfortable about clawing the G502?
As for all the people recommending the G303, is there something that the G303 has or can do that the G502 doesn't? Is it better for claw-gripping than the G502? I actually prefer a slightly hefty mouse, so its lighter weight doesn't strike me as a positive. What's your specific reason for recommending the G303 over the G502?
[quote=Shifta]OK I have a g502 and it's good but it's just too heavy. Also iirc the bottom scraped until I replaced the mouse feet. I wouldn't recommend it for fps based off the weight alone. I don't think it's great for claw gripping.[/quote]
It's around 124g with all the weights out, right? That's good enough for me.
From what I know the mouse feet issue with the G502 was supposed to be fixed all the way back in July 2014 - when did you get your mouse?
I also heard that the shape was supposed to be conductive to a claw grip. What did you find particularly uncomfortable about clawing the G502?
As for all the people recommending the G303, is there something that the G303 has or can do that the G502 doesn't? Is it better for claw-gripping than the G502? I actually prefer a slightly hefty mouse, so its lighter weight doesn't strike me as a positive. What's your specific reason for recommending the G303 over the G502?
MashpitSquaredAs for all the people recommending the G303, is there something that the G303 has or can do that the G502 doesn't? Is it better for claw-gripping than the G502? I actually prefer a slightly hefty mouse, so its lighter weight doesn't strike me as a positive. What's your specific reason for recommending the G303 over the G502?
Personally, I got the G303 because it was cheaper and simpler than the G502, and because I'm a sucker for Logitech products. Just looking at the G502 is obnoxious imo, it's got a lot of features and buttons which might be good for some, but I can't see myself using the extra buttons nor the dpi switcher (I use per-profile pointer settings to change depending on the game).
I can't say anything about clawing nor the weight as I don't claw and I've never held a G502. I can't really speak on Corsair mice as I've never had any of them myself, but the M65 looks heavy and clawable / according to the review it's around what you're lookin for lol.
[quote=MashpitSquared]
As for all the people recommending the G303, is there something that the G303 has or can do that the G502 doesn't? Is it better for claw-gripping than the G502? I actually prefer a slightly hefty mouse, so its lighter weight doesn't strike me as a positive. What's your specific reason for recommending the G303 over the G502?[/quote]
Personally, I got the G303 because it was cheaper and simpler than the G502, and because I'm a sucker for Logitech products. Just looking at the G502 is obnoxious imo, it's got a lot of features and buttons which might be good for some, but I can't see myself using the extra buttons nor the dpi switcher (I use per-profile pointer settings to change depending on the game).
I can't say anything about clawing nor the weight as I don't claw and I've never held a G502. I can't really speak on Corsair mice as I've never had any of them myself, but the [url=http://www.tomsguide.com/us/corsair-vengeance-m65,review-2084.html]M65[/url] looks heavy and clawable / according to the review it's around what you're lookin for lol.
MashpitSquaredIt's around 124g with all the weights out, right? That's good enough for me.
From what I know the mouse feet issue with the G502 was supposed to be fixed all the way back in July 2014 - when did you get your mouse?
I also heard that the shape was supposed to be conductive to a claw grip. What did you find particularly uncomfortable about clawing the G502?
I got it a long time ago so maybe the feet thing has been fixed. It sounds like nobody's gonna convince you to change your mind anyway.
[quote=MashpitSquared]
It's around 124g with all the weights out, right? That's good enough for me.
From what I know the mouse feet issue with the G502 was supposed to be fixed all the way back in July 2014 - when did you get your mouse?
I also heard that the shape was supposed to be conductive to a claw grip. What did you find particularly uncomfortable about clawing the G502?[/quote]
I got it a long time ago so maybe the feet thing has been fixed. It sounds like nobody's gonna convince you to change your mind anyway.
JermI can't say anything about clawing nor the weight as I don't claw and I've never held a G502. I can't really speak on Corsair mice as I've never had any of them myself, but the M65 looks heavy and clawable / according to the review it's around what you're lookin for lol.
I'm actually using the M65 right now. It's clawable but you need fairly big hands and the weight (it's actually heavier than the G502) makes it better for palming in my experience. The sensor originally had terrible acceleration issues, but after a firmware update it's probably one of the better laser mice I've used. The middle mouse button is starting to die, though.
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I can't say anything about clawing nor the weight as I don't claw and I've never held a G502. I can't really speak on Corsair mice as I've never had any of them myself, but the [url=http://www.tomsguide.com/us/corsair-vengeance-m65,review-2084.html]M65[/url] looks heavy and clawable / according to the review it's around what you're lookin for lol.[/quote]
I'm actually using the M65 right now. It's clawable but you need fairly big hands and the weight (it's actually heavier than the G502) makes it better for palming in my experience. The sensor originally had terrible acceleration issues, but after a firmware update it's probably one of the better laser mice I've used. The middle mouse button is starting to die, though.
Recommendations
Steelseries QCK Heavy - It has the same texture as the qck+ BUT it last a lot more. That's it, it's thicker and it lasts more, that's the only thing that makes it different from the qck+.
Light mice - Light mice are easier to control, making flicking easier and not overflicking a less common thing. Stop and moving around lighter mice is easier than moving around heavier mice.
example: Logitech G303, Zowie ec2-a, Zowie fk2, Zowie ZA12/13 - The Zowie mice have the highest click lag in comparison with the G303. However, the G303 has a non ergonomic shape and it is extremely small, as well as light.
Recommendations
[b]Steelseries QCK [u]Heavy[/u][/b] - It has the same texture as the qck+ BUT it last a lot more. That's it, it's thicker and it lasts more, that's the only thing that makes it different from the qck+.
[b]Light mice[/b] - Light mice are easier to control, making flicking easier and not overflicking a less common thing. Stop and moving around lighter mice is easier than moving around heavier mice.
example: Logitech G303, Zowie ec2-a, Zowie fk2, Zowie ZA12/13 - The Zowie mice have the highest click lag in comparison with the G303. However, the G303 has a non ergonomic shape and it is extremely small, as well as light.