Now that we got this clear that cheating is ok in pubs.

Would it be ok to cheat in tf2center? I mean it's super casual and tf2stadium and matchmaking will be out soon and there is no way I would cheat there.

Center is fairly strict when it comes to cheating. Cheat there once, even on an alt, and you get a 10 year ban on your main and alt.

Personally, the only "grounds" where I see cheating as being remotely acceptable is on VAC unsecured servers. I've never seen them, but I've been told by other cheaters, that there are actually servers called LMAO BOX vs LMAO BOX, which just as the name implies is a hack fest. See who's hacks are better.

As for Hassasin, if he has only cheated in a pub (which that is all the evidence so far implies), and there are no current league rules which state you can have some kind of league punishment for cheating in a pub, then he should not be punished for this incident. But instead, the leagues should decide if they want to crack down more heavily and have a zero cheating policy for TF2 including pubs, and put this in place moving forward.

IMO the biggest problem with someone cheating in a pub, but also being involved in the comp community, is mainly the fact that if someone has hacks, knows how to use them, what is stopping them from turning them on in the middle of a tight game, just for a round or two? They are pissed off, its a close game, I could see *someone* doing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05PCmqjIeNE

the cheater shows himself..

These threads are pretty gross. If a person is self-conscious enough to make an alt, download a cheat, use that cheat against other people, and get caught doing so, they should be punished. "Oh, pubs don't matter" is such a stupid response. Let's face it, none of TF2 matters. You're effectively putting all competitive players on a pedestal over pub players and saying, "you don't matter" to those pub players.

You say you want to give a person you like another chance--I'm all for it, but they got caught cheating, so their second chance should come after the same punishment associated with people who are caught cheating in a competitive setting. They're still ruining people's fun all the same, it's just a different set of people. It's unfortunate that most leagues don't care about what happens outside of their league.

For what it's worth, I'm not saying hassassin is guilty; I haven't inspected the evidence, but I do agree with whoever mentioned how bizarre the hivemind mentality of defending cheaters is when it comes to this community.

It's also disappointing to see just how many people are drilling the OP into the ground, when all he was attempting to do was raise awareness that a somewhat top level player in this community has been allegedly proven to be cheating and lying about that cheating, even if his methodology wasn't perfect. I, for one, would prefer to know if my competitor has been caught cheating against other people, regardless of whether or not that was in a competitive setting.

all I've been trying to say is that response to a pub cheater is a different response to a comp cheater. this is not a controversial conclusion, one is a serious setting that often carries genuine money as prize, the other is a public server. under this same logic, one could propose we ban anyone who's been kicked from any server for griefing, since we also don't want griefers in a competitive setting.

why is this such a huge concept?

Hacks are hacks. If I got to play against an ex-cheater or someone who cheats in pubs 'for teh lolz' would I trust this person to play clean? Of course not, he/she has shown that integrity/fair play or whatever you want to call it doesn't matter to him.

Leagues should have a list of 'trusted' ban-programs, meaning that if you get VAC banned, EAC banned, etc you're out. So far I only know of VAC being used in this way, why not expand it to other trusted sources that operate in a similar fashion?

Is it allowed to use an alt in esea, if I get a vac ban on my main account?

the time you wasted making this thread you could have used to prove that dflame and circa have cheated in esea. Hassassin is like the nicest player in competitive, also no one thinks he cheats but you. What a shitshow man.

remember that time every justice system in the world gave out the exact same sentences for a crime forever, no emphasis on scale, because a stab wound is a stab wound, regardless of the fact that it inevitably downplayed the genuine murderers and overplayed the petty thieves?

I'm with proto, if we are going to witch-hunt can it at least be bullet?

Beaten to death

Bullet 1: http://steamcommunity.com/id/urmumtastesgud
Bullet 2: http://steamcommunity.com/id/frogglestew/

Source: Hassasin on his stream, as he played MGE against bullet.

@indecency bullet is a confirmed cheater who cheated in 6v6, he went unpunished and is playing demo in IM. Witch-hunting in general is dumb, but if you actually want to rid the scene of cheaters that is the best place to start.

is this a troll

lol wat

http://puu.sh/loJrv/b3768d01a9.png << Screenshot from a wallhack

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=272601165 << His screenshot

Look at the 3d model, its identical!

Wrong
UGC Updated their policies back in May. Cheating in a match results in a 1 year bar, cheating outside a match results in a 3 month ban (6 months for special cases)

The amount of misinformation going around in this thread is almost sad.

braindead lmaobox user tried to ragehack in a pub and got banned because he doesn't know how to use cheats that have more than 1 and a half features, what a surprise.

EDIT: HE TRIED TO APPEAL A SMAC BAN LMAO

yeah he did mathack but that screenshot is 1 year old
plus mathacks aren't usable in UGC/ESEA servers and most pubs for that matter.

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yeah man invalid viewangles are something normal that everyone has xd! unless hassassin is a legend who knows how to turn 90 degrees in a single tick he cheated and SMAC worked perfectly by catching out his retarded viewangle changes.

edit: instead of downfragging me just prove me wrong. show me him turning around more than 40 degrees at the direction of a player in a single tick without cheats. by the way someone asked if lmaobox is ESEA proof not too long ago, hmm...

Ik that, ive gone against him when i played on 4D, and im not disagreeing with u either, hitting every single stick like 3 to 4 out of the five mids is pretty weird but people talk so much about it and nothing happens which is why its beaten to death

I don't pretend to know anyone involved (and the, uh, less than subtle responses from -proto is making me wonder a couple of other things) so I'll stay back beyond that, but this is by no means all that difficult. either:

alias +sense "cl_yawspeed 3000; +right"
alias -sense "cl_yawspeed 210; -right"

alias +sense "sensitivity 100"
alias -sense "sensitivity 2"
//(followed by moving your mouse, obviously)

would basically accompish this

e:
vvv I'm a doofus, listen to strazyyy vvv

alias +sense "cl_yawspeed 3000; +right"
alias -sense "cl_yawspeed 210; -right"

alias +sense "sensitivity 100"
alias -sense "sensitivity 2"
//(followed by moving your mouse, obviously)

yeah, no. you don't get SMAC banned for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-3vunrVDZg

this, however, gets you smac banned. had to sacrifice my alt account for this (would've recorded on skial but i had antiaim enabled before recording lmao)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERuH4ZqulUg

notice how my viewangles are completely fucked in the second video:

DataTable warning: player: Out-of-range value (271.000000/90.000000) in SendPropFloat 'm_angEyeAngles[0]', clamping.
DataTable warning: player: Out-of-range value (271.000000/90.000000) in SendPropFloat 'm_angEyeAngles[0]', clamping.

this is literally impossible unless he cheated.

Well, he admits to hacking in pubs himself. Here is the proof right from the horses mouth:

http://www.twitch.tv/hassassin_/v/26190492?t=01h31m45s

"...But yea... I don't really hack. I've hacked before. I'll admit that but like, im pretty sure that was like 2 years ago, in a pub." But the SMAC was from like 2 months ago, which is quite different from 2 years ago.

god damn he's saying the same shit lolyou did LMAO

he might be probably using chams for color triggerbot, wich is not bannable by vac and not allowed on sv pure, its just a texture swap

color triggerbots are detected, what are you talking about. i don't think he went out of his way to code a private color triggerbot because of how inefficient it is.

why do you think we picked him up trip christ its like you dont even think

you dont need to inject it or anyuthing so it will unlikely get you banned