Who says supports in dota cant carry?

#31

unknownuser123

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2sy_morphiendedota 1 = original moba
dota 2 = dota 1 with less heroes out and better graphics
hon = dota 1 with better graphics and lots more heroes that arent even in dota
HoN is the try-hard 90s ACTION edition of DotA. Most of the S2 heroes are fucking retarded and ever since hon 2.0 they gave up on attempting to be dota and instead went for some other crazy sort of game where heroes that have 2.5k radius 40% slow 250 damage nukes that don't require vision are o k.

Damn shame because I would have liked to see deadwood and forsaken archer in a playable arts but I guess I never will.

God I remember how broken they were when they came out. Although Plague(Lich)/Engineer were the most broken heroes when they came out. SPLASH on Lich ult, who the hell thought that would be fair? And 200% attack speed turrets with unlimited attack modifiers and lots of HP (ace the team when they try to kill your turret and you're in spawn).

In reality, HoN needed to be different than dota, but it's really hard for it to get a greater player base back. It has the best system/UI/customization etc hands down, but bad heroes + people not liking the look stopped it from getting anywhere.

PS. I still can't believe they haven't added ctrl modifier to dota2. Come on :(

[quote=2sy_morphiend][quote=e]dota 1 = original moba
dota 2 = dota 1 with less heroes out and better graphics
hon = dota 1 with better graphics and lots more heroes that arent even in dota[/quote]

HoN is the try-hard 90s ACTION edition of DotA. Most of the S2 heroes are fucking retarded and ever since hon 2.0 they gave up on attempting to be dota and instead went for some other crazy sort of game where heroes that have 2.5k radius 40% slow 250 damage nukes that don't require vision are o k.

Damn shame because I would have liked to see deadwood and forsaken archer in a playable arts but I guess I never will.[/quote]
God I remember how broken they were when they came out. Although Plague(Lich)/Engineer were the most broken heroes when they came out. SPLASH on Lich ult, who the hell thought that would be fair? And 200% attack speed turrets with unlimited attack modifiers and lots of HP (ace the team when they try to kill your turret and you're in spawn).

In reality, HoN needed to be different than dota, but it's really hard for it to get a greater player base back. It has the best system/UI/customization etc hands down, but bad heroes + people not liking the look stopped it from getting anywhere.

PS. I still can't believe they haven't added ctrl modifier to dota2. Come on :(

#32

paradox

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flynn__http://www.dota2alttab.com/

Just build whatever it says, then every game take a moment to read what you're building and eventually you'll start to realize why you build certain things

And you get back into it by playing the game (of all things, this may be surprising)

I don't necessarily agree that you should follow guides, especially this website's. For example, look at how they skill Axe, you don't max counter helix until far later in the game, which implies they are not jungling Axe; I highly doubt that you will ever see Axe in lane, since his laning phase is pretty abysmal unless you go mana boots + hunger spam to be an annoyance. Another issue with guides is when people follow them perfectly, while the guide might be good for one situation, it cannot apply to every singe one available.

In TA's section they say to get psi blades at 2, 12, 13, and 14. While this may legitimate in a lane where the other person is an easy kill, if you're against someone with a better base range the harass you are going to take is going to be insane. Another issue is a lot of guides are outdated and aren't often updated.

Look at PL, while radiance rushing might not always be the best option is certainly is the current meta. This guide advocates running a vanguard and soul ring, where a radiance becomes a luxury item.

Hell, Sniper's section, tells you to max Shrapnel before Headshot and Take Aim, since PRC was put into the game, and affects Headshot, I can see no reason to max Shrapnel over Headshot, and Take Aim is easily one of the best laning phase skills due to its range increase so that you can farm far more safely.

[quote=flynn__]http://www.dota2alttab.com/

Just build whatever it says, then every game take a moment to read what you're building and eventually you'll start to realize why you build certain things

And you get back into it by playing the game [i](of all things, this may be surprising)[/i][/quote]

I don't necessarily agree that you should follow guides, especially this website's. For example, look at how they skill Axe, you don't max counter helix until far later in the game, which implies they are not jungling Axe; I highly doubt that you will ever see Axe in lane, since his laning phase is pretty abysmal unless you go mana boots + hunger spam to be an annoyance. Another issue with guides is when people follow them perfectly, while the guide might be good for one situation, it cannot apply to every singe one available.

In TA's section they say to get psi blades at 2, 12, 13, and 14. While this may legitimate in a lane where the other person is an easy kill, if you're against someone with a better base range the harass you are going to take is going to be insane. Another issue is a lot of guides are outdated and aren't often updated.

Look at PL, while radiance rushing might not always be the best option is certainly is the current meta. This guide advocates running a vanguard and soul ring, where a radiance becomes a luxury item.

Hell, Sniper's section, tells you to max Shrapnel before Headshot and Take Aim, since PRC was put into the game, and affects Headshot, I can see no reason to max Shrapnel over Headshot, and Take Aim is easily one of the best laning phase skills due to its range increase so that you can farm far more safely.