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Response coming soon with accurate details of what happened. I would prefer people not assume anything until the facts are released. Thank you.
First off Phlash and I were the only ones who donated keys. I cashed out my backpack for this and Phlash gave 10 keys. Nobody else gave money although some people promised to. If Phlash wants his money back he can have it.
First off Phlash and I were the only ones who donated keys. I cashed out my backpack for this and Phlash gave 10 keys. Nobody else gave money although some people promised to. If Phlash wants his money back he can have it.
Rain of Light was allowed to play but when we had 6 in the server Pont and Console changed there mind DURING THE TOURNAMENT????
Then they proposed that Rain of Light be counted as a ringer or he couldn't play even though he was listed on their shitty non updated spreadsheet. This meant that we had 3 ringers instead of 2 so either way we couldn't play.
Everybody knew Catface was aliasing as Sandblast, Pont saw and we counted him as a ringer.
If you guys don't update your spreadsheet with proper and accurate roster info it isn't our fault you don't have people listed.
Sandblast came back and we had 2 "ringers" (Even though I wasn't supposed to be a ringer) and they decided not to give a shit.
- Akinfenwa
Rain of Light was allowed to play but when we had 6 in the server Pont and Console changed there mind DURING THE TOURNAMENT????
Then they proposed that Rain of Light be counted as a ringer or he couldn't play even though he was listed on their shitty non updated spreadsheet. This meant that we had 3 ringers instead of 2 so either way we couldn't play.
Everybody knew Catface was aliasing as Sandblast, Pont saw and we counted him as a ringer.
If you guys don't update your spreadsheet with proper and accurate roster info it isn't our fault you don't have people listed.
Sandblast came back and we had 2 "ringers" (Even though I wasn't supposed to be a ringer) and they decided not to give a shit.
- Akinfenwa
Then they proposed that Rain of Light be counted as a ringer or he couldn't play even though he was listed on their shitty non updated spreadsheet. This meant that we had 3 ringers instead of 2 so either way we couldn't play.
Everybody knew Catface was aliasing as Sandblast, Pont saw and we counted him as a ringer.
If you guys don't update your spreadsheet with proper and accurate roster info it isn't our fault you don't have people listed.
Sandblast came back and we had 2 "ringers" (Even though I wasn't supposed to be a ringer) and they decided not to give a shit.
- Akinfenwa
It was also very evident in the three MANDATORY meetings we held prior to the tournament that there were not to be more than two ringers per team, Smesi attempted to bring in four. Its math. It was also stated that all ringers had to be run by both the admins and the opponents before the match. In this case neither party approved. I would also like to note that rain of light just came into our mumble during the final best of three a few minutes ago and slurped a soda over and over again while avoiding bans. I've offered to hash this out with the parties involved multiple times, and that offer still stands. Add me on steam and I'd be more than happy to discuss this out of the public eye. This is ridiculous.
It was also very evident in the three MANDATORY meetings we held prior to the tournament that there were not to be more than two ringers per team, Smesi attempted to bring in four. Its math. It was also stated that all ringers had to be run by both the admins and the opponents before the match. In this case neither party approved. I would also like to note that rain of light just came into our mumble during the final best of three a few minutes ago and slurped a soda over and over again while avoiding bans. I've offered to hash this out with the parties involved multiple times, and that offer still stands. Add me on steam and I'd be more than happy to discuss this out of the public eye. This is ridiculous.
AlexanderTheGreatRain of Light was allowed to play but when we had 6 in the server Pont and Console changed there mind DURING THE TOURNAMENT????
Then they proposed that Rain of Light be counted as a ringer or he couldn't play even though he was listed on their shitty non updated spreadsheet. This meant that we had 3 ringers instead of 2 so either way we couldn't play.
Everybody knew Catface was aliasing as Sandblast, Pont saw and we counted him as a ringer.
If you guys don't update your spreadsheet with proper and accurate roster info it isn't our fault you don't have people listed.
Sandblast came back and we had 2 "ringers" (Even though I wasn't supposed to be a ringer) and they decided not to give a shit.
- Akinfenwa
Rain of light was put on the spreadsheet after adding Console past the deadline and requesting that his team Hurricane Watch be added to the list. We added them because we were in need of more teams since a few pug teams died. He later admitted that he knew in advance a good portion of his team was not going to be able to make it and he only wanted to be put on the list of players so he could ring.
EDIT:
8:40 PM - Console-: are you ringing or something
8:40 PM - Console-: thought you were on another team
8:40 PM - RoL: I'm on smesi's team permanently now
8:41 PM - Console-: what team is hcw
8:41 PM - Console-: are they even playing in tourney
8:41 PM - RoL: no
[quote=AlexanderTheGreat]Rain of Light was allowed to play but when we had 6 in the server Pont and Console changed there mind DURING THE TOURNAMENT????
Then they proposed that Rain of Light be counted as a ringer or he couldn't play even though he was listed on their shitty non updated spreadsheet. This meant that we had 3 ringers instead of 2 so either way we couldn't play.
Everybody knew Catface was aliasing as Sandblast, Pont saw and we counted him as a ringer.
If you guys don't update your spreadsheet with proper and accurate roster info it isn't our fault you don't have people listed.
Sandblast came back and we had 2 "ringers" (Even though I wasn't supposed to be a ringer) and they decided not to give a shit.
- Akinfenwa[/quote]
Rain of light was put on the spreadsheet after adding Console past the deadline and requesting that his team Hurricane Watch be added to the list. We added them because we were in need of more teams since a few pug teams died. He later admitted that he knew in advance a good portion of his team was not going to be able to make it and he only wanted to be put on the list of players so he could ring.
EDIT:
8:40 PM - Console-: are you ringing or something
8:40 PM - Console-: thought you were on another team
8:40 PM - RoL: I'm on smesi's team permanently now
8:41 PM - Console-: what team is hcw
8:41 PM - Console-: are they even playing in tourney
8:41 PM - RoL: no
Then they proposed that Rain of Light be counted as a ringer or he couldn't play even though he was listed on their shitty non updated spreadsheet. This meant that we had 3 ringers instead of 2 so either way we couldn't play.
Everybody knew Catface was aliasing as Sandblast, Pont saw and we counted him as a ringer.
If you guys don't update your spreadsheet with proper and accurate roster info it isn't our fault you don't have people listed.
Sandblast came back and we had 2 "ringers" (Even though I wasn't supposed to be a ringer) and they decided not to give a shit.
- Akinfenwa[/quote]
Rain of light was put on the spreadsheet after adding Console past the deadline and requesting that his team Hurricane Watch be added to the list. We added them because we were in need of more teams since a few pug teams died. He later admitted that he knew in advance a good portion of his team was not going to be able to make it and he only wanted to be put on the list of players so he could ring.
EDIT:
8:40 PM - Console-: are you ringing or something
8:40 PM - Console-: thought you were on another team
8:40 PM - RoL: I'm on smesi's team permanently now
8:41 PM - Console-: what team is hcw
8:41 PM - Console-: are they even playing in tourney
8:41 PM - RoL: no
On the issue of the DQ that happened. Our team registration/roster-ing closed a long time ago. Before the tournament had begun. During our MULTIPLE MANDATORY meetings we hosted in our mumble to address tournament roster/match/execution questions, we confirmed that rosters were set after the team registration periods were set AND that more than 2 ringers were not allowed and were also required to be "similiar skill level" and be approved by the admins. DURING TODAYS PLAYOFF MATCH, Smesi had 3 ringers, Catface, Akinfenwa, and GAB. (none were rostered). Before the match Smesi lied to the admins, saying he only HAD ONE ringer. After checking into the server before the match begun I realized he had all 3 of the ringers named above.
Prior to this, RainofLight had signed up with his team "Hurricane Watch" before the deadline knowing IN ADVANCE that half of his team was not able to make the tournament. He "Wanted to be rostered so he could be counted as a ringer for other teams". AFTER the deadline, it was confirmed that his team had died and could no longer play. RainofLight then asked me if he could sign up the other team he was playing for in their place (He told me this was "KevinisPwns team"). I agreed. Later on, RainofLight told me he had actually never asked the "replacement team" if they could play but had continued to sign them up anyway. So I had to submit 3 forfeit wins because RainofLight NEVER messaged me that the team had died until the 2nd night of the tournament. Because of all the Forfeit Wins caused by teams dying, I granted Smesi's team more than 2 ringers for a group stage match due to both teams moving on regardless of the result so the match did not matter for either side. RainofLight was one of the ringers in the group stage. Earlier today, RainofLight told Console that he was supposed to be on Smesi's roster and had been this entire time. Little did we know, Rain was talking about the UGC roster that him and Smesi are on together not the tournament roster. So Console put RainofLight on the team roster for Smesi. Console did not message any of the other admins about this so nobody else's opinions were used. After learning that Rain was added to the roster i promptly told Smesi via steam message that RainofLight was not allowed to play. RainofLight had killed 2 teams in the tournament causing many Forfeit Wins for other teams and that was my reasoning for not approving the roster transfer, regardess of if he was rostered in UGC or not. IN THE SERVER before the match: on Smesi's team were Catface (who's team also died and attempted to alias as "Sandblast" in the server to cover up their ringer status), Akinfenwa (also not rostered), GAB (also not rostered) and RainofLight (incorrectly rostered and told could not play). These ringers were not "similar skill level" to the players Smesi was replacing and numbered more than the 2 we allowed. After multiple interactions of explaining that there were too many ringers and Rain was NOT ALLOWED to play, I, after talking with the other admins AND ALSO other tournament players, I issued a disqualification for Smesi's team. TO REPEAT THIS, RainofLight WAS ADDED to Smesi's roster. But regardless of Rain, Smesi's team still had more than 2 ringers. His whole team proceeded to call the admins retards and refused to calmly discuss us. AFTERWARDS, while my team was playing our playoff match RainofLight used his VPN to get into our mumble server and continued to mic spam during our match. We told him we would talk to him after the match but he left.
We WERE NOT trying to steal keys from players. THE ONLY TWO DONATORS were Entropy (Admin) and Phlash, who is a close friend of ours. We had many players offer to donate but NO OFFERS WERE ACCEPTED. We will be issuing a refund to Phlash. We humbly apologize for all the issues this has caused, but these rules were made very clear in the mandatory meetings. I would also like to add that NONE of Smesi's team showed up to the meetings except Smesi. So he was very aware of the rules and failed to follow them. That ultimately led to his team being disqualified. Again, I would like to apologize for this happening. Our intention was to have a fun, PAYMENT FREE ENTRY tournament that would benefit our great community. If anyone would like to discuss this with me personally my steam id is http://steamcommunity.com/id/ponterrific/ . Did myself and the other admins execute the tournament perfectly? Absolutely not. But I would appreciate if people try to see this from both sides of the story. I attempted to do so in this post. Thank you for reading. Again, ill answer any questions you guys have. All Roster info is in the original post and can be publicly viewed. Thank you
On the issue of the DQ that happened. Our team registration/roster-ing closed a long time ago. Before the tournament had begun. During our MULTIPLE MANDATORY meetings we hosted in our mumble to address tournament roster/match/execution questions, we confirmed that rosters were set after the team registration periods were set AND that more than 2 ringers were not allowed and were also required to be "similiar skill level" and be approved by the admins. DURING TODAYS PLAYOFF MATCH, Smesi had 3 ringers, Catface, Akinfenwa, and GAB. (none were rostered). Before the match Smesi lied to the admins, saying he only HAD ONE ringer. After checking into the server before the match begun I realized he had all 3 of the ringers named above.
Prior to this, RainofLight had signed up with his team "Hurricane Watch" before the deadline knowing IN ADVANCE that half of his team was not able to make the tournament. He "Wanted to be rostered so he could be counted as a ringer for other teams". AFTER the deadline, it was confirmed that his team had died and could no longer play. RainofLight then asked me if he could sign up the other team he was playing for in their place (He told me this was "KevinisPwns team"). I agreed. Later on, RainofLight told me he had actually never asked the "replacement team" if they could play but had continued to sign them up anyway. So I had to submit 3 forfeit wins because RainofLight NEVER messaged me that the team had died until the 2nd night of the tournament. Because of all the Forfeit Wins caused by teams dying, I granted Smesi's team more than 2 ringers for a group stage match due to both teams moving on regardless of the result so the match did not matter for either side. RainofLight was one of the ringers in the group stage. Earlier today, RainofLight told Console that he was supposed to be on Smesi's roster and had been this entire time. Little did we know, Rain was talking about the UGC roster that him and Smesi are on together not the tournament roster. So Console put RainofLight on the team roster for Smesi. Console did not message any of the other admins about this so nobody else's opinions were used. After learning that Rain was added to the roster i promptly told Smesi via steam message that RainofLight was not allowed to play. RainofLight had killed 2 teams in the tournament causing many Forfeit Wins for other teams and that was my reasoning for not approving the roster transfer, regardess of if he was rostered in UGC or not. IN THE SERVER before the match: on Smesi's team were Catface (who's team also died and attempted to alias as "Sandblast" in the server to cover up their ringer status), Akinfenwa (also not rostered), GAB (also not rostered) and RainofLight (incorrectly rostered and told could not play). These ringers were not "similar skill level" to the players Smesi was replacing and numbered more than the 2 we allowed. After multiple interactions of explaining that there were too many ringers and Rain was NOT ALLOWED to play, I, after talking with the other admins AND ALSO other tournament players, I issued a disqualification for Smesi's team. TO REPEAT THIS, RainofLight WAS ADDED to Smesi's roster. But regardless of Rain, Smesi's team still had more than 2 ringers. His whole team proceeded to call the admins retards and refused to calmly discuss us. AFTERWARDS, while my team was playing our playoff match RainofLight used his VPN to get into our mumble server and continued to mic spam during our match. We told him we would talk to him after the match but he left.
We WERE NOT trying to steal keys from players. THE ONLY TWO DONATORS were Entropy (Admin) and Phlash, who is a close friend of ours. We had many players offer to donate but NO OFFERS WERE ACCEPTED. We will be issuing a refund to Phlash. We humbly apologize for all the issues this has caused, but these rules were made very clear in the mandatory meetings. I would also like to add that NONE of Smesi's team showed up to the meetings except Smesi. So he was very aware of the rules and failed to follow them. That ultimately led to his team being disqualified. Again, I would like to apologize for this happening. Our intention was to have a fun, PAYMENT FREE ENTRY tournament that would benefit our great community. If anyone would like to discuss this with me personally my steam id is http://steamcommunity.com/id/ponterrific/ . Did myself and the other admins execute the tournament perfectly? Absolutely not. But I would appreciate if people try to see this from both sides of the story. I attempted to do so in this post. Thank you for reading. Again, ill answer any questions you guys have. All Roster info is in the original post and can be publicly viewed. Thank you
Prior to this, RainofLight had signed up with his team "Hurricane Watch" before the deadline knowing IN ADVANCE that half of his team was not able to make the tournament. He "Wanted to be rostered so he could be counted as a ringer for other teams". AFTER the deadline, it was confirmed that his team had died and could no longer play. RainofLight then asked me if he could sign up the other team he was playing for in their place (He told me this was "KevinisPwns team"). I agreed. Later on, RainofLight told me he had actually never asked the "replacement team" if they could play but had continued to sign them up anyway. So I had to submit 3 forfeit wins because RainofLight NEVER messaged me that the team had died until the 2nd night of the tournament. Because of all the Forfeit Wins caused by teams dying, I granted Smesi's team more than 2 ringers for a group stage match due to both teams moving on regardless of the result so the match did not matter for either side. RainofLight was one of the ringers in the group stage. Earlier today, RainofLight told Console that he was supposed to be on Smesi's roster and had been this entire time. Little did we know, Rain was talking about the UGC roster that him and Smesi are on together not the tournament roster. So Console put RainofLight on the team roster for Smesi. Console did not message any of the other admins about this so nobody else's opinions were used. After learning that Rain was added to the roster i promptly told Smesi via steam message that RainofLight was not allowed to play. RainofLight had killed 2 teams in the tournament causing many Forfeit Wins for other teams and that was my reasoning for not approving the roster transfer, regardess of if he was rostered in UGC or not. IN THE SERVER before the match: on Smesi's team were Catface (who's team also died and attempted to alias as "Sandblast" in the server to cover up their ringer status), Akinfenwa (also not rostered), GAB (also not rostered) and RainofLight (incorrectly rostered and told could not play). These ringers were not "similar skill level" to the players Smesi was replacing and numbered more than the 2 we allowed. After multiple interactions of explaining that there were too many ringers and Rain was NOT ALLOWED to play, I, after talking with the other admins AND ALSO other tournament players, I issued a disqualification for Smesi's team. TO REPEAT THIS, RainofLight WAS ADDED to Smesi's roster. But regardless of Rain, Smesi's team still had more than 2 ringers. His whole team proceeded to call the admins retards and refused to calmly discuss us. AFTERWARDS, while my team was playing our playoff match RainofLight used his VPN to get into our mumble server and continued to mic spam during our match. We told him we would talk to him after the match but he left.
We WERE NOT trying to steal keys from players. THE ONLY TWO DONATORS were Entropy (Admin) and Phlash, who is a close friend of ours. We had many players offer to donate but NO OFFERS WERE ACCEPTED. We will be issuing a refund to Phlash. We humbly apologize for all the issues this has caused, but these rules were made very clear in the mandatory meetings. I would also like to add that NONE of Smesi's team showed up to the meetings except Smesi. So he was very aware of the rules and failed to follow them. That ultimately led to his team being disqualified. Again, I would like to apologize for this happening. Our intention was to have a fun, PAYMENT FREE ENTRY tournament that would benefit our great community. If anyone would like to discuss this with me personally my steam id is http://steamcommunity.com/id/ponterrific/ . Did myself and the other admins execute the tournament perfectly? Absolutely not. But I would appreciate if people try to see this from both sides of the story. I attempted to do so in this post. Thank you for reading. Again, ill answer any questions you guys have. All Roster info is in the original post and can be publicly viewed. Thank you
If thats too much of a wall, rain should not have been on that roster, Console put him there wrongfully and we failed to properly convey that to Smesi. We believe this to be both the fault of Console and RoL, but we'll review the situation tomorrow. For now we stand by disqualifying the team.
If thats too much of a wall, rain should not have been on that roster, Console put him there wrongfully and we failed to properly convey that to Smesi. We believe this to be both the fault of Console and RoL, but we'll review the situation tomorrow. For now we stand by disqualifying the team.
PontPrior to this, RainofLight had signed up with his team "Hurricane Watch" before the deadline knowing IN ADVANCE that half of his team was not able to make the tournament.
I was out of all this drama since I was not in the tourney, but heard that from pugging in the days prior to the start.
[quote=Pont]Prior to this, RainofLight had signed up with his team "Hurricane Watch" before the deadline knowing IN ADVANCE that half of his team was not able to make the tournament.[/quote]
I was out of all this drama since I was not in the tourney, but heard that from pugging in the days prior to the start.
I was out of all this drama since I was not in the tourney, but heard that from pugging in the days prior to the start.
Rain of Light was on the roster the whole time, if the roster was so important why didn't you update the roster to accommodate me and fix the class stuff. Also, if roster changes were locked why did you allow Rain of Light to move to different teams. If he wasn't allowed to play when before he was told he could play why wasn't this mentioned to smesi before and this was when both teams were ready to play.
Just because Rain of Light came in to your mumble and started slurping soda or whatever the fuck he did doesn't really add to your argument of unfairly disqualifying us. It's literally just to make him look like an asshole which whether he is or not again doesn't matter.
Catface didn't fool a single person and we counted him as a ringer too, Pont and the other team was there to witness him changing his name.
The meetings clearly stated leaders only as well. Again I'm reiterating this, Sandblast came back (The Real Sandblast) and we had 12 people in the server ready to play meaning gabby and I would be the only 2 ringers according to your shitty spreadsheet.
Rain of Light was on the roster the whole time, if the roster was so important why didn't you update the roster to accommodate me and fix the class stuff. Also, if roster changes were locked why did you allow Rain of Light to move to different teams. If he wasn't allowed to play when before he was told he could play why wasn't this mentioned to smesi before and this was when both teams were ready to play.
Just because Rain of Light came in to your mumble and started slurping soda or whatever the fuck he did doesn't really add to your argument of unfairly disqualifying us. It's literally just to make him look like an asshole which whether he is or not again doesn't matter.
Catface didn't fool a single person and we counted him as a ringer too, Pont and the other team was there to witness him changing his name.
The meetings clearly stated leaders only as well. Again I'm reiterating this, Sandblast came back (The Real Sandblast) and we had 12 people in the server ready to play meaning gabby and I would be the only 2 ringers according to your shitty spreadsheet.
Just because Rain of Light came in to your mumble and started slurping soda or whatever the fuck he did doesn't really add to your argument of unfairly disqualifying us. It's literally just to make him look like an asshole which whether he is or not again doesn't matter.
Catface didn't fool a single person and we counted him as a ringer too, Pont and the other team was there to witness him changing his name.
The meetings clearly stated leaders only as well. Again I'm reiterating this, Sandblast came back (The Real Sandblast) and we had 12 people in the server ready to play meaning gabby and I would be the only 2 ringers according to your shitty spreadsheet.
let's be real if we weren't disqualified we would have got prize winnings,
the "no more than so many ringers" rule was just made to stop us
let's be real if we weren't disqualified we would have got prize winnings,
the "no more than so many ringers" rule was just made to stop us
the "no more than so many ringers" rule was just made to stop us
why are tournament hosts playing in their own tournament wtf
why are tournament hosts playing in their own tournament wtf
AlexanderTheGreatRain of Light was on the roster the whole time, if the roster was so important why didn't you update the roster to accommodate me and fix the class stuff. Also, if roster changes were locked why did you allow Rain of Light to move to different teams. If he wasn't allowed to play when before he was told he could play why wasn't this mentioned to smesi before and this was when both teams were ready to play.
Rain was not on the team until earlier today, so saying he was "on the roster the whole time" is a blatant lie. We have a Spreadsheet edit log showing Console adding Rain to the roster earlier today. I'll be glad to link it if you wish.
RainofLightlet's be real if we weren't disqualified we would have got prize winnings,
the "no more than so many ringers" rule was just made to stop us
If you had actually shown up to any of the 3 mandatory meetings we hosted, you would've heard us mention the ringer rule. And if you were manipulating Console, and our team list only for the keys then it just proves my point further.
[quote=AlexanderTheGreat]Rain of Light was on the roster the whole time, if the roster was so important why didn't you update the roster to accommodate me and fix the class stuff. Also, if roster changes were locked why did you allow Rain of Light to move to different teams. If he wasn't allowed to play when before he was told he could play why wasn't this mentioned to smesi before and this was when both teams were ready to play.[/quote]
Rain was not on the team until earlier today, so saying he was "on the roster the whole time" is a blatant lie. We have a Spreadsheet edit log showing Console adding Rain to the roster earlier today. I'll be glad to link it if you wish.
[quote=RainofLight]let's be real if we weren't disqualified we would have got prize winnings,
the "no more than so many ringers" rule was just made to stop us[/quote]
If you had actually shown up to any of the 3 mandatory meetings we hosted, you would've heard us mention the ringer rule. And if you were manipulating Console, and our team list only for the keys then it just proves my point further.
Rain was not on the team until earlier today, so saying he was "on the roster the whole time" is a blatant lie. We have a Spreadsheet edit log showing Console adding Rain to the roster earlier today. I'll be glad to link it if you wish.
[quote=RainofLight]let's be real if we weren't disqualified we would have got prize winnings,
the "no more than so many ringers" rule was just made to stop us[/quote]
If you had actually shown up to any of the 3 mandatory meetings we hosted, you would've heard us mention the ringer rule. And if you were manipulating Console, and our team list only for the keys then it just proves my point further.
He let us have 4 ringers in the group stage, regardless of the value of the match its still hypocrisy to let us have the ringers and than not let us have 2 rightful ringers and making up bullshit excuses like rain of light counts as a ringer when rostered.
And again they didn't give a shit about when sandblast came back.
He let us have 4 ringers in the group stage, regardless of the value of the match its still hypocrisy to let us have the ringers and than not let us have 2 rightful ringers and making up bullshit excuses like rain of light counts as a ringer when rostered.
And again they didn't give a shit about when sandblast came back.
And again they didn't give a shit about when sandblast came back.
AlexanderTheGreatHe let us have 4 ringers in the group stage, regardless of the value of the match its still hypocrisy to let us have the ringers and than not let us have 2 rightful ringers and making up bullshit excuses like rain of light counts as a ringer when rostered.
And again they didn't give a shit about when sandblast came back.
Nobody messaged me about Sandblast coming back. I would've happily reconsidered if anyone had said something to me.
[quote=AlexanderTheGreat]He let us have 4 ringers in the group stage, regardless of the value of the match its still hypocrisy to let us have the ringers and than not let us have 2 rightful ringers and making up bullshit excuses like rain of light counts as a ringer when rostered.
And again they didn't give a shit about when sandblast came back.[/quote]
Nobody messaged me about Sandblast coming back. I would've happily reconsidered if anyone had said something to me.
And again they didn't give a shit about when sandblast came back.[/quote]
Nobody messaged me about Sandblast coming back. I would've happily reconsidered if anyone had said something to me.
RainofLightlet's be real if we weren't disqualified we would have got prize winnings,
the "no more than so many ringers" rule was just made to stop us
No, it was made DAYS before. You're an idiot. You're also handling this by meming. Great.
AlexanderTheGreatRain of Light was on the roster the whole time
AlexanderTheGreatThe meetings clearly stated leaders only as well
[quote=RainofLight]let's be real if we weren't disqualified we would have got prize winnings,
the "no more than so many ringers" rule was just made to stop us[/quote]
No, it was made DAYS before. You're an idiot. You're also handling this by meming. Great.
[quote=AlexanderTheGreat]Rain of Light was on the roster the whole time[/quote]
[url=http://imgur.com/9GFHLvV]Before tonight[/url]
[url=https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0qH6sEyyF5MMC11Q19ZUlZUX0U/view]After tonight[/url]
[quote=AlexanderTheGreat]The meetings clearly stated leaders only as well[/quote]
[url=https://steamcommunity.com/groups/MakeAWhshh#announcements/detail/889837960353649384]READ[/url]
the "no more than so many ringers" rule was just made to stop us[/quote]
No, it was made DAYS before. You're an idiot. You're also handling this by meming. Great.
[quote=AlexanderTheGreat]Rain of Light was on the roster the whole time[/quote]
[url=http://imgur.com/9GFHLvV]Before tonight[/url]
[url=https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0qH6sEyyF5MMC11Q19ZUlZUX0U/view]After tonight[/url]
[quote=AlexanderTheGreat]The meetings clearly stated leaders only as well[/quote]
[url=https://steamcommunity.com/groups/MakeAWhshh#announcements/detail/889837960353649384]READ[/url]
Pont
AlexanderTheGreat
Rain of Light was on the roster the whole time, if the roster was so important why didn't you update the roster to accommodate me and fix the class stuff. Also, if roster changes were locked why did you allow Rain of Light to move to different teams. If he wasn't allowed to play when before he was told he could play why wasn't this mentioned to smesi before and this was when both teams were ready to play.
Rain was not on the team until earlier today, so saying he was "on the roster the whole time" is a blatant lie. We have a Spreadsheet edit log showing Console adding Rain to the roster earlier today. I'll be glad to link it if you wish.
http://pasteboard.co/1h69jE6T.png
My bad, I checked the revision history and it says organic not Rain of Light. However there shouldn't be any excuse of not updating the roster because the roster was locked. The decision to put me on the team was done 3 WEEKS ago.
http://pasteboard.co/1h6iNM9l.png
I don't understand why you're using the spreadsheet as backup and than saying "rosters were locked" if you clearly were still updating it. It's just a way to save your lazy asses for not updating the spreadsheet when you should've.
[quote=Pont]
AlexanderTheGreat
Rain of Light was on the roster the whole time, if the roster was so important why didn't you update the roster to accommodate me and fix the class stuff. Also, if roster changes were locked why did you allow Rain of Light to move to different teams. If he wasn't allowed to play when before he was told he could play why wasn't this mentioned to smesi before and this was when both teams were ready to play.
Rain was not on the team until earlier today, so saying he was "on the roster the whole time" is a blatant lie. We have a Spreadsheet edit log showing Console adding Rain to the roster earlier today. I'll be glad to link it if you wish.
[/quote]
http://pasteboard.co/1h69jE6T.png
My bad, I checked the revision history and it says organic not Rain of Light. However there shouldn't be any excuse of not updating the roster because the roster was locked. The decision to put me on the team was done 3 WEEKS ago.
http://pasteboard.co/1h6iNM9l.png
I don't understand why you're using the spreadsheet as backup and than saying "rosters were locked" if you clearly were still updating it. It's just a way to save your lazy asses for not updating the spreadsheet when you should've.
AlexanderTheGreat
Rain of Light was on the roster the whole time, if the roster was so important why didn't you update the roster to accommodate me and fix the class stuff. Also, if roster changes were locked why did you allow Rain of Light to move to different teams. If he wasn't allowed to play when before he was told he could play why wasn't this mentioned to smesi before and this was when both teams were ready to play.
Rain was not on the team until earlier today, so saying he was "on the roster the whole time" is a blatant lie. We have a Spreadsheet edit log showing Console adding Rain to the roster earlier today. I'll be glad to link it if you wish.
[/quote]
http://pasteboard.co/1h69jE6T.png
My bad, I checked the revision history and it says organic not Rain of Light. However there shouldn't be any excuse of not updating the roster because the roster was locked. The decision to put me on the team was done 3 WEEKS ago.
http://pasteboard.co/1h6iNM9l.png
I don't understand why you're using the spreadsheet as backup and than saying "rosters were locked" if you clearly were still updating it. It's just a way to save your lazy asses for not updating the spreadsheet when you should've.
Honestly I don't even care anymore. You guys are actually idiots. We wanted to run a tournament for fun. I decided to add keys in later for some competitive fun and you know what, we didn't expect to win. In fact when I proposed keys B4nny was going to play. Stop being salty.
Honestly I don't even care anymore. You guys are actually idiots. We wanted to run a tournament for fun. I decided to add keys in later for some competitive fun and you know what, we didn't expect to win. In fact when I proposed keys B4nny was going to play. Stop being salty.
Yeah we let a team with multiple invite/IM players(Luvsic, Goldfish, Etney, Jaay, Brulee and Catface). Woodpig Black, and multiple other really good teams play. So saying that we would sabotage this tourney for keys is stupid.
Yeah we let a team with multiple invite/IM players(Luvsic, Goldfish, Etney, Jaay, Brulee and Catface). Woodpig Black, and multiple other really good teams play. So saying that we would sabotage this tourney for keys is stupid.
I understand the tourney was for fun but if you unfairly disqualify us and try to back yourselves up instead of admitting you made mistakes and reviewing the situation properly there is a ton of room for salt from us.
I understand the tourney was for fun but if you unfairly disqualify us and try to back yourselves up instead of admitting you made mistakes and reviewing the situation properly there is a ton of room for salt from us.
Pont Our intention was to have a fun, PAYMENT FREE ENTRY tournament that would benefit our great community. If anyone would like to discuss this with me personally my steam id is http://steamcommunity.com/id/ponterrific/ . Did myself and the other admins execute the tournament perfectly? Absolutely not. But I would appreciate if people try to see this from both sides of the story. I attempted to do so in this post. Thank you for reading. Again, ill answer any questions you guys have. All Roster info is in the original post and can be publicly viewed. Thank you
Dude, read please.
[quote=Pont] Our intention was to have a fun, PAYMENT FREE ENTRY tournament that would benefit our great community. If anyone would like to discuss this with me personally my steam id is http://steamcommunity.com/id/ponterrific/ . Did myself and the other admins execute the tournament perfectly? Absolutely not. But I would appreciate if people try to see this from both sides of the story. I attempted to do so in this post. Thank you for reading. Again, ill answer any questions you guys have. All Roster info is in the original post and can be publicly viewed. Thank you[/quote]
Dude, read please.
Dude, read please.
SmesiHey console can i play? :)
i'm asking this becuase you banned me FOR NO REASON after a pug and instead of telling me why you banned me you used some pretty mean words against me... :(
oh no i got circlejerked by console and his pug buddies that probably suck ass at tf2 D:
still getting circlejerked ;-;
We put up with your shit enough. See this? We let you play after two bans and meming in the tourney thread. You shouldn't even be in this fucking tournament but we let you. We wanted to give you guys a second chance but you refuse to work with us. How dare you expect more from a community tournament we are doing for free.
[quote=Smesi]Hey console can i play? :)
i'm asking this becuase you banned me [b]FOR NO REASON[/b] after a pug and instead of telling me why you banned me you used some pretty mean words against me... :(
oh no i got circlejerked by console and his pug buddies that probably suck ass at tf2 D:
still getting circlejerked ;-;[/quote]
We put up with your shit enough. See this? We let you play after two bans and meming in the tourney thread. You shouldn't even be in this fucking tournament but we let you. We wanted to give you guys a second chance but you refuse to work with us. How dare you expect more from a community tournament we are doing for free.
i'm asking this becuase you banned me [b]FOR NO REASON[/b] after a pug and instead of telling me why you banned me you used some pretty mean words against me... :(
oh no i got circlejerked by console and his pug buddies that probably suck ass at tf2 D:
still getting circlejerked ;-;[/quote]
We put up with your shit enough. See this? We let you play after two bans and meming in the tourney thread. You shouldn't even be in this fucking tournament but we let you. We wanted to give you guys a second chance but you refuse to work with us. How dare you expect more from a community tournament we are doing for free.
Please tell me where you said you're giving us a second chance. I appreciate you guys running a free community tourney but its you that wasn't trying to work with us, Console refused to respond to me when I clearly said we had Sandblast in meaning we would have 2 ringers according to the spreadsheet. Its just isn't fair and and a rematch wasn't even considered by the admin team
Please tell me where you said you're giving us a second chance. I appreciate you guys running a free community tourney but its you that wasn't trying to work with us, Console refused to respond to me when I clearly said we had Sandblast in meaning we would have 2 ringers according to the spreadsheet. Its just isn't fair and and a rematch wasn't even considered by the admin team
PontNobody messaged me about Sandblast coming back. I would've happily reconsidered if anyone had said something to me.
I did multiple times lmao
[quote=Pont][b]Nobody messaged me about Sandblast coming back[/b]. I would've happily reconsidered if anyone had said something to me.[/quote]
I did multiple times lmao
I did multiple times lmao
AlexanderTheGreatPlease tell me where you said you're giving us a second chance. I appreciate you guys running a free community tourney but its you that wasn't trying to work with us, Console refused to respond to me when I clearly said we had Sandblast in meaning we would have 2 ringers according to the spreadsheet. Its n
Smesi wasn't even supposed to be in this tournament. He comes in mumble and makes the place even more toxic than when pont and I are in there at the same time. We let him because we figured we could bury the hatchet.
RainOfLightI did multiple times lmao
Proooooooooof
[quote=AlexanderTheGreat]Please tell me where you said you're giving us a second chance. I appreciate you guys running a free community tourney but its you that wasn't trying to work with us, Console refused to respond to me when I clearly said we had Sandblast in meaning we would have 2 ringers according to the spreadsheet. Its n[/quote]
Smesi wasn't even supposed to be in this tournament. He comes in mumble and makes the place even more toxic than when pont and I are in there at the same time. We let him because we figured we could bury the hatchet.
[quote=RainOfLight]I did multiple times lmao[/quote]
Proooooooooof
Smesi wasn't even supposed to be in this tournament. He comes in mumble and makes the place even more toxic than when pont and I are in there at the same time. We let him because we figured we could bury the hatchet.
[quote=RainOfLight]I did multiple times lmao[/quote]
Proooooooooof
EntropyTF
We put up with your shit enough. See this? We let you play after two bans and meming in the tourney thread. You shouldn't even be in this fucking tournament but we let you. We wanted to give you guys a second chance but you refuse to work with us. How dare you expect more from a community tournament we are doing for free.
2 bans without any legit reason
- banned me cuz i was not a sweaty tryhard unlike ya'll and memed which it's impossible to not meme when ur pug group is being moderated by console and entropy
- unbanned and you, entropy, banned me for no real reason again
it's not my problem that your pug group is a huge circlejerk
also nice +frag squad u have there bud, they can boost ur ego but not ur dpm :(
[quote=EntropyTF]
We put up with your shit enough. See this? We let you play after two bans and meming in the tourney thread. You shouldn't even be in this fucking tournament but we let you. We wanted to give you guys a second chance but you refuse to work with us. How dare you expect more from a community tournament we are doing for free.[/quote]
2 bans without any legit reason
[olist]
[*] banned me cuz i was not a sweaty tryhard unlike ya'll and memed which it's impossible to not meme when ur pug group is being moderated by console and entropy
[*] unbanned and you, entropy, banned me for no real reason again
[/olist]
it's not my problem that your pug group is a huge circlejerk
also nice +frag squad u have there bud, they can boost ur ego but not ur dpm :(
We put up with your shit enough. See this? We let you play after two bans and meming in the tourney thread. You shouldn't even be in this fucking tournament but we let you. We wanted to give you guys a second chance but you refuse to work with us. How dare you expect more from a community tournament we are doing for free.[/quote]
2 bans without any legit reason
[olist]
[*] banned me cuz i was not a sweaty tryhard unlike ya'll and memed which it's impossible to not meme when ur pug group is being moderated by console and entropy
[*] unbanned and you, entropy, banned me for no real reason again
[/olist]
it's not my problem that your pug group is a huge circlejerk
also nice +frag squad u have there bud, they can boost ur ego but not ur dpm :(
SmesiEntropyTF
We put up with your shit enough. See this? We let you play after two bans and meming in the tourney thread. You shouldn't even be in this fucking tournament but we let you. We wanted to give you guys a second chance but you refuse to work with us. How dare you expect more from a community tournament we are doing for free.
2 bans without any legit reason
- banned me cuz i was not a sweaty tryhard unlike ya'll and memed which it's impossible to not meme when ur pug group is being moderated by console and entropy
- unbanned and you, entropy, banned me for no real reason again
it's not my problem that your pug group is a huge circlejerk
WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT IN THE TOURNAMENT
[quote=Smesi][quote=EntropyTF]
We put up with your shit enough. See this? We let you play after two bans and meming in the tourney thread. You shouldn't even be in this fucking tournament but we let you. We wanted to give you guys a second chance but you refuse to work with us. How dare you expect more from a community tournament we are doing for free.[/quote]
2 bans without any legit reason
[olist]
[*] banned me cuz i was not a sweaty tryhard unlike ya'll and memed which it's impossible to not meme when ur pug group is being moderated by console and entropy
[*] unbanned and you, entropy, banned me for no real reason again
[/olist]
it's not my problem that your pug group is a huge circlejerk[/quote]
WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT IN THE TOURNAMENT
We put up with your shit enough. See this? We let you play after two bans and meming in the tourney thread. You shouldn't even be in this fucking tournament but we let you. We wanted to give you guys a second chance but you refuse to work with us. How dare you expect more from a community tournament we are doing for free.[/quote]
2 bans without any legit reason
[olist]
[*] banned me cuz i was not a sweaty tryhard unlike ya'll and memed which it's impossible to not meme when ur pug group is being moderated by console and entropy
[*] unbanned and you, entropy, banned me for no real reason again
[/olist]
it's not my problem that your pug group is a huge circlejerk[/quote]
WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT IN THE TOURNAMENT
EntropyTFWHY DO YOU EVEN WANT IN THE TOURNAMENT
win and get some goodies
[quote=EntropyTF]WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT IN THE TOURNAMENT[/quote]
win and get some goodies
win and get some goodies
Quote got messed up sorry. But AlexanderTheGreat mentioning second changes and reconsideration:
A rematch wasn't considered because your team called us retards in chat, and said some other pretty nasty shit. I dunno what kind of admin would re-consider a DQ after getting called that kind of stuff. Especially when two of your teammates (Smesi and Rain) had both been banned from the group in the past for the exact same reason.
Quote got messed up sorry. But AlexanderTheGreat mentioning second changes and reconsideration:
A rematch wasn't considered because your team called us retards in chat, and said some other pretty nasty shit. I dunno what kind of admin would re-consider a DQ after getting called that kind of stuff. Especially when two of your teammates (Smesi and Rain) had both been banned from the group in the past for the exact same reason.
A rematch wasn't considered because your team called us retards in chat, and said some other pretty nasty shit. I dunno what kind of admin would re-consider a DQ after getting called that kind of stuff. Especially when two of your teammates (Smesi and Rain) had both been banned from the group in the past for the exact same reason.
EntropyTFRainOfLightI did multiple times lmaoProooooooooof
I removed pont so i cant open the steam chat again
pont can lie about it and get away with it if he wants idc
[quote=EntropyTF][quote=RainOfLight]I did multiple times lmao[/quote]
Proooooooooof[/quote]
I removed pont so i cant open the steam chat again
pont can lie about it and get away with it if he wants idc
Proooooooooof[/quote]
I removed pont so i cant open the steam chat again
pont can lie about it and get away with it if he wants idc
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