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Sensitivity and wrist injury strawpoll
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Hello tf.tv,

I've transitioned from 58cm/360 to 27cm/360 in the course of 3 months and I've started to notice more signs of strain in my wrist and arm. While it is fairly common knowledge that a higher sensitivity causes more strain, I want to know tf.tv's experiences and see how big of a difference there actually is. Here is the poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/10438599

I pesronally do stretching and hand exercises every day and recommend that you do too, even if you don't have any signs of strain.

Similiar findings on mouse sensitivity affecting injury:
http://drleviharrison.com/mouse-sensitivity-gaming-rsi/

Edit: Note that I actually define any frequent pain as severe pain

Hello tf.tv,

I've transitioned from 58cm/360 to 27cm/360 in the course of 3 months and I've started to notice more signs of strain in my wrist and arm. While it is fairly common knowledge that a higher sensitivity causes more strain, I want to know tf.tv's experiences and see how big of a difference there actually is. [b]Here is the poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/10438599[/b]

I pesronally do stretching and hand exercises every day and recommend that you do too, even if you don't have any signs of strain.

Similiar findings on mouse sensitivity affecting injury:
http://drleviharrison.com/mouse-sensitivity-gaming-rsi/

Edit: Note that I actually define [i]any[/i] frequent pain as severe pain
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Kond3PHello tf.tv,

I've transitioned from 58cm/360 to 27cm/360 in the course of 3 months and I've started to notice more signs of strain in my wrist and arm. While it is fairly common knowledge that a higher sensitivity causes more strain, I want to know tf.tv's experiences and see how big of a difference there actually is. Here is the poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/10438599

I pesronally do stretching and hand exercises every day and recommend that you do too, even if you don't have any signs of strain.

Similiar findings on mouse sensitivity affecting injury:
http://drleviharrison.com/mouse-sensitivity-gaming-rsi/

Edit: Note that I actually define any frequent pain as severe pain

results can be easily skewed I have mild pain on occasion but I also work an office job full time and have overstretched my right wrist before in high school.

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to add to this someone may use X sens because it hurts less.

[quote=Kond3P]Hello tf.tv,

I've transitioned from 58cm/360 to 27cm/360 in the course of 3 months and I've started to notice more signs of strain in my wrist and arm. While it is fairly common knowledge that a higher sensitivity causes more strain, I want to know tf.tv's experiences and see how big of a difference there actually is. [b]Here is the poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/10438599[/b]

I pesronally do stretching and hand exercises every day and recommend that you do too, even if you don't have any signs of strain.

Similiar findings on mouse sensitivity affecting injury:
http://drleviharrison.com/mouse-sensitivity-gaming-rsi/

Edit: Note that I actually define [i]any[/i] frequent pain as severe pain[/quote]

results can be easily skewed I have mild pain on occasion but I also work an office job full time and have overstretched my right wrist before in high school.

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to add to this someone may use X sens because it hurts less.
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Comangliaresults can be easily skewed I have mild pain on occasion but I also work an office job full time and have sprained my right wrist before in high school.

I might make a survey with more options if this doesn't fail completely.

[quote=Comanglia]
results can be easily skewed I have mild pain on occasion but I also work an office job full time and have sprained my right wrist before in high school.[/quote]

I might make a survey with more options if this doesn't fail completely.
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I have exactly 25 cm/360. Should I count it as low or high sens? Either way I haven't had any pain in my wrist

I have exactly 25 cm/360. Should I count it as low or high sens? Either way I haven't had any pain in my wrist
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work out and you might never ever have those kinda problems

work out and you might never ever have those kinda problems
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smziwork out and you might never ever have those kinda problems

Working out is precisely how I overstretched my wrist in high school. So you might not get RSI but you can definitely hurt your wrist.

[quote=smzi]work out and you might never ever have those kinda problems[/quote]

Working out is precisely how I overstretched my wrist in high school. So you might not get RSI but you can definitely hurt your wrist.
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JaaniiI have exactly 25 cm/360. Should I count it as low or high sens? Either way I haven't had any pain in my wrist

As Dr. Levi wrote in the linked article, what probably is a closer correlation is the way you move your mouse. Low sensitivity players generally play more controlled and use less wrist when compared to high sensitivity flickers. So in border situations like these you could try to fit yourself into one of those categories.

[quote=Jaanii]I have exactly 25 cm/360. Should I count it as low or high sens? Either way I haven't had any pain in my wrist[/quote]
As Dr. Levi wrote in the linked article, what probably is a closer correlation is the way you move your mouse. Low sensitivity players generally play more controlled and use less wrist when compared to high sensitivity flickers. So in border situations like these you could try to fit yourself into one of those categories.
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Comangliasmziwork out and you might never ever have those kinda problems
Working out is precisely how I sprained my wrist in high school. So you might not get RSI but you can definitely hurt your wrist.

That's probably from poor form

[quote=Comanglia][quote=smzi]work out and you might never ever have those kinda problems[/quote]

Working out is precisely how I sprained my wrist in high school. So you might not get RSI but you can definitely hurt your wrist.[/quote]
That's probably from poor form
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GeknaiirComangliasmziwork out and you might never ever have those kinda problems
Working out is precisely how I sprained my wrist in high school. So you might not get RSI but you can definitely hurt your wrist.
That's probably from poor form

High School weights class it was during the 1st month (aka I was a noob at lifting). I also had a pretty weak grip at the time.

[quote=Geknaiir][quote=Comanglia][quote=smzi]work out and you might never ever have those kinda problems[/quote]

Working out is precisely how I sprained my wrist in high school. So you might not get RSI but you can definitely hurt your wrist.[/quote]
That's probably from poor form[/quote]

High School weights class it was during the 1st month (aka I was a noob at lifting). I also had a pretty weak grip at the time.
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I used to use a sensitivities around 4inch/360 for almost 9 years, a few months ago my wrist started hurting much more and now I use 11-13inch/360.
Do your hand stretches bros it's not fun to have paralyzing pain when you try to eat something like soup.

I used to use a sensitivities around 4inch/360 for almost 9 years, a few months ago my wrist started hurting much more and now I use 11-13inch/360.
Do your hand stretches bros it's not fun to have paralyzing pain when you try to eat something like soup.
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#11
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i have high sens but aim with my arm so no pain whatsoever

i have high sens but aim with my arm so no pain whatsoever
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#12
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stop masturbating with ur right hand

stop masturbating with ur right hand
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I'm sure that changing your sens from unresoneably low to very low isn't the problem. I've been using 8.6cm/360 for 2 years and I've never had pain in my wrist. I'll full in the strawpoll though. Hope you find the answer!

I'm sure that changing your sens from unresoneably low to very low isn't the problem. I've been using 8.6cm/360 for 2 years and I've never had pain in my wrist. I'll full in the strawpoll though. Hope you find the answer!
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I'm using around 15 cm/360 (6 in/360) now and used even higher sens back in the days for years. I did feel some pain in my wrist once, but then I started doing wrist/hand exercises and it was gone (I'm talking about Dr. Levi's exercises for gamers).

I'm using around 15 cm/360 (6 in/360) now and used even higher sens back in the days for years. I did feel some pain in my wrist once, but then I started doing wrist/hand exercises and it was gone (I'm talking about [url=https://youtu.be/EiRC80FJbHU]Dr. Levi's exercises for gamers[/url]).
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I've never done hand or wrist exercises and i play on a very high sens and never had any pain

Hmmmm maybe I'm lucky....

I've never done hand or wrist exercises and i play on a very high sens and never had any pain

Hmmmm maybe I'm lucky....
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i use a 15 cm/360 sens and whenever i play mge for long periods of time i always felt immense pain after like an hour or two of playing and then i'd need to take a break for awhile. it was always in the same place too, my fingertips and the lower part of my arm. Never my wrist which with my sens i think is kinda weird..

i use a 15 cm/360 sens and whenever i play mge for long periods of time i always felt immense pain after like an hour or two of playing and then i'd need to take a break for awhile. it was always in the same place too, my fingertips and the lower part of my arm. Never my wrist which with my sens i think is kinda weird..
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15 inches/360 here. On days when I spent too much time playing, my WASD hand gets pretty bad. My mouse hand doesn't have any issues, though.

15 inches/360 here. On days when I spent too much time playing, my WASD hand gets pretty bad. My mouse hand doesn't have any issues, though.
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I used to play a lot of tf2 (120hrs/ 2 weeks) and osu as well, on a very high sensitivity (0.5 in/360 for tf2 and i'm not really sure about osu.)
I got carpal tunnel after a while of doing that. It sucks, really bad. Like, it would hurt to turn a doorknob. I went to the doctor and got medicine, after that didn't work, I had to get nerve conduction studies and cortisone shots injected into my wrist. (next step being surgery, luckily haven't had to do that yet)

I had to change a lot of stuff. Completely quit osu, severely cut back my TF2 playtime, and dropped my sensitivity massively from 0.5in/360 to 7in/360. It got a lot better, but it wasn't until I literally quit TF2 all together for 6 months that it fully healed, and I still take some medicine for it to keep it under control. It's scary stuff, so if you notice an issue coming about with yourself, don't ignore it and get it checked out. If I could go back and avoid this, I absolutely would.

I used to play a lot of tf2 (120hrs/ 2 weeks) and osu as well, on a very high sensitivity (0.5 in/360 for tf2 and i'm not really sure about osu.)
I got carpal tunnel after a while of doing that. It sucks, really bad. Like, it would hurt to turn a doorknob. I went to the doctor and got medicine, after that didn't work, I had to get nerve conduction studies and cortisone shots injected into my wrist. (next step being surgery, luckily haven't had to do that yet)

I had to change a lot of stuff. Completely quit osu, severely cut back my TF2 playtime, and dropped my sensitivity massively from 0.5in/360 to 7in/360. It got a lot better, but it wasn't until I literally quit TF2 all together for 6 months that it fully healed, and I still take some medicine for it to keep it under control. It's scary stuff, so if you notice an issue coming about with yourself, don't ignore it and get it checked out. If I could go back and avoid this, I absolutely would.
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the results for no pain will be skewed due to a large number of young players, who do not often get wrist pain no matter how much time they spend.

the results for no pain will be skewed due to a large number of young players, who do not often get wrist pain no matter how much time they spend.
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Comangliasmziwork out and you might never ever have those kinda problems
Working out is precisely how I sprained my wrist in high school. So you might not get RSI but you can definitely hurt your wrist.

Excercise is rarely the cause of injuries, it's more often improper excercise: lack of warmup, too heavy weights, or doing the workouts wrong

But yeah I agree with smzii. I used to have wrist pains/ back pains but working out fixed most of it.

[quote=Comanglia][quote=smzi]work out and you might never ever have those kinda problems[/quote]

Working out is precisely how I sprained my wrist in high school. So you might not get RSI but you can definitely hurt your wrist.[/quote]

Excercise is rarely the cause of injuries, it's more often improper excercise: lack of warmup, too heavy weights, or doing the workouts wrong

But yeah I agree with smzii. I used to have wrist pains/ back pains but working out fixed most of it.
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45cm/360 no issues

45cm/360 no issues
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30.48 cm/360 and no wrist pain whatsoever

30.48 cm/360 and no wrist pain whatsoever
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Not going to engage in a lot of this questionable strength training advice (Short answer: Don't get strength training advice from a computer forum)

But Wrist pain, like hearing damage and a lot of other things, is signs of a permanent and serious issue, it doesn't "toughen it up" or anything like that. Mild pain on occasion might not seem like an issue now but in 15 years... trust me, things can start to suck badly.

http://evoluent.com/wp-content/themes/evoluent/images/large_products/VM4R-hi.jpg What I use now, there are other options, too. Basically, it keeps your wrist in a much more natural position than completely pronated like most mice.

Gaming, the learning curve is steep and frustrating. Start with medic, after a few weeks it'll feel like second nature.

I wish I was around the scene more when that last guy quit due to wrist pain, bums me out.

Not going to engage in a lot of this questionable strength training advice (Short answer: Don't get strength training advice from a computer forum)

But Wrist pain, like hearing damage and a lot of other things, is signs of a permanent and serious issue, it doesn't "toughen it up" or anything like that. Mild pain on occasion might not seem like an issue now but in 15 years... trust me, things can start to suck badly.

http://evoluent.com/wp-content/themes/evoluent/images/large_products/VM4R-hi.jpg What I use now, there are other options, too. Basically, it keeps your wrist in a much more natural position than completely pronated like most mice.

Gaming, the learning curve is steep and frustrating. Start with medic, after a few weeks it'll feel like second nature.

I wish I was around the scene more when that last guy quit due to wrist pain, bums me out.
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I use a 6in/360 in TF2 and am a frequent Melee player. I used to get pains in my wrists but when I started doing hand stretches they went away. Now I only get dull pains in the space between your finger and thumb because my hands and such aren't used to the thumb actuations required to play melee which will go away with time.

I use a 6in/360 in TF2 and am a frequent Melee player. I used to get pains in my wrists but when I started doing hand stretches they went away. Now I only get dull pains in the space between your finger and thumb because my hands and such aren't used to the thumb actuations required to play melee which will go away with time.
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i started playing with keyboard on lap recently and found that i get a bit of an ache after a while. there's a lot of positions i've seen people using keyboards in, some that look horribly uncomfortable, so maybe some attn should be given to that too.
also yeah stretch out your hands it feels so good

i started playing with keyboard on lap recently and found that i get a bit of an ache after a while. there's a lot of positions i've seen people using keyboards in, some that look horribly uncomfortable, so maybe some attn should be given to that too.
also yeah stretch out your hands it feels so good
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I played at 40 cm per 360 around that for years. I got involved in a small accident that didn't do too much but the same arm after playing a few scrims days after suddenly cramped up resulting in not being able to lift arm above shoulder for a week or 2.

Had physio for least year or 2 now and usually suggested that I do not use both arm and shoulder to play, which is a little bit of confusing/conflicting advice since I thought that higher senbse would give me worse rsi problems.

The doc suggested sticking to wrist movement and having stretches more physio etc. reduced to 27-33 cm range per 360 and don't play as often now.

Hope no one else had too problematic an experience.

Edit: Pains were in wrists, shoulder and pecs and arm in general. Nottt a fun year haha

I played at 40 cm per 360 around that for years. I got involved in a small accident that didn't do too much but the same arm after playing a few scrims days after suddenly cramped up resulting in not being able to lift arm above shoulder for a week or 2.

Had physio for least year or 2 now and usually suggested that I do not use both arm and shoulder to play, which is a little bit of confusing/conflicting advice since I thought that higher senbse would give me worse rsi problems.

The doc suggested sticking to wrist movement and having stretches more physio etc. reduced to 27-33 cm range per 360 and don't play as often now.

Hope no one else had too problematic an experience.

Edit: Pains were in wrists, shoulder and pecs and arm in general. Nottt a fun year haha
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wait anything below 25cm/360 is considered high sensitivity now? i have something like 5cm/360 and never had any problems.

wait anything below 25cm/360 is considered high sensitivity now? i have something like 5cm/360 and never had any problems.
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it is also very important to note what class the person is playing, a demo or a medic would not get much tension because they don't need to have pixel accurate aim, but I doubt a good scout/sniper that play with less than 15 cm or so doesn't feel pain if playing over a few hours a day.

it is also very important to note what class the person is playing, a demo or a medic would not get much tension because they don't need to have pixel accurate aim, but I doubt a good scout/sniper that play with less than 15 cm or so doesn't feel pain if playing over a few hours a day.
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23" (or 58cm)/360 for me. I've had some minor pain in my wrist in the past, no issues as of late however.

23" (or 58cm)/360 for me. I've had some minor pain in my wrist in the past, no issues as of late however.
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swagmachinewait anything below 25cm/360 is considered high sensitivity now? i have something like 5cm/360 and never had any problems.

Right now the votes are pretty much divided even from 25cm upwards and downwards so yes it is higher than average.

[quote=swagmachine]wait anything below 25cm/360 is considered high sensitivity now? i have something like 5cm/360 and never had any problems.[/quote]
Right now the votes are pretty much divided even from 25cm upwards and downwards so yes it is higher than average.
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