I wasn't aware of this bug! Is this true even for sv_pure servers?

I'll definitely look at it.

It's a bug related to transparent viewmodels, it seems to allow you to see through certain props when you have viewmodels disabled. Since the shutter doors on Snakewater are prop doors compared to simple brush doors on like Process/Metalworks/Sunshine this kind of thing will happen. Personally because of this bug I think the use of transparent viewmodels should most likely be banned (Seems to be more problematic on maps like Granary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg5eBkmVS1c). It doesn't seem to affect all of the prop doors so you might just need to swap the model around, from what I have seen it looks like it only happens on ones that have some transparency already but I could be wrong. Someone could potentially try compiling the ABS Prop libraries and then checking to see what props are/are not transparent with the viewmodel bug though.

I think the only props that are transparent are prop_dynamic entities. Thats why all the other props are not affected as they are prop_static entities. An easy way around the door thing is to just make the doors brushes instead of dynamic props. Other than that, I think we should ban this, the sniper rifle scope removal is banned, I don't see why not this when it gives you wallhacks.

Found a little difference between final1 and u10:

Is this intentional?

Thanks Gizmo, the door is supposed to be nonsolid.

quick thing i noticed a few days ago, you can stand on this little ledge above saw. you can be fairly hidden if you stand close to the ceiling coverthing

this was literally posted as the image above you

my bad, for some reason i only saw the stuff in the first spoiler tag

Do you have a link to the full-size Stand Tall posters?

I would love to have that amazing artwork as a spray, if you're willing. :o

Here is the poster: http://imgur.com/a/2BjLC

Be sure to credit the creators: uberchain, TheScurvyOrange and DiscoSwan, if you share it anywhere.

Maybe my monitor is too dim, but I find _u10 really dark. It's sometimes difficult to see enemies, especially around Train.
_final1

http://i.imgur.com/hDpDkXt.jpg

_u10

http://i.imgur.com/YywEskV.jpg

The Demoman is almost invisible to me, except his shadow and feet.

I got some more screenshots of particularly dark areas.
_final1

http://i.imgur.com/NZgUtIs.jpg

_u10

http://i.imgur.com/P367GVp.jpg

_final1 was already a bit dark here.

http://i.imgur.com/JBCqtFV.jpg

_u10 is even darker.

http://i.imgur.com/689V4u6.jpg

RED Yard is significantly darker than BLU Yard. _final1 was like this too, but _10 makes RED Yard about as dark as the area near Train, seen in my previous screenshots.

http://i.imgur.com/01OBood.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/p54O1Y7.jpg

doesnt look like those spotlights above 2nd ramp have any light properties. Maybe stick some spotlights in there?

I was disappointed to find that the Competitive update didn't include the updated Snakewater version - this luckily means I can spend more time on improving the lighting.

I'm really happy with the ambiance of the map as of _u10, but I will most likely add a lot of artificial lighting to improve gameplay.

If you keep submitting feedback of dark areas, I'll get to work on it shortly!

Hey,

Considering u11 which I shipped to Valve was not included in the Competitive update I'm going to be releasing a couple more versions before I call the current updating session completed.

Updated to u12: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2447457/cp_snakewater_u12.bsp

Changelog u11 + u12:

* Fixed head bump in dropdown
* Fixed blocked spawnpoint
* Fixed duplicate props
* Cleaned up some details
* Fixed solidity of lower doors at mid
* Fixed some perches
* Replaced roof awnings with nonsolid displacements (credit to FubarFX for the method)
* Improved lighting further

Since the gameplay changes are minimal, and the lighting should be vastly improved over u10, I recommend any tournament organizer to update their ruleset to use u12 as soon as possible. Hopefully there won't be any gamebreaking bugs this time.

Cheers,
chojje

I like the lighting on _u12. It's a definite improvement for visibility. I also like the switch to nonsolid eaves. That said, _u12 has a lot of issues that either weren't reported or weren't fixed from _u10.

On RED side:
Old Issue: the the left corner has some ugly overlap between the roofs.

http://i.imgur.com/slEGwqP.jpg

New issue: the eave over Second-Saw is solid. You can get caught on it when jumping up and even stand on it.

http://i.imgur.com/ZH6J2wi.jpg

New issue: the eaves on Mid are solid.

http://i.imgur.com/bOIK5Uv.jpg

On BLU side:
Old issue: you can stand on the boiler in Lobby. It's not a wallbug; there's a lip you can walk along.

http://i.imgur.com/EK2AYTb.jpg

Old issue: the clipbrush above Catwalk protrudes past the wall.

http://i.imgur.com/vZoieIx.jpg

New issue: you can stand on the eave above the wall vent at Mid.

http://i.imgur.com/yVbEBC4.jpg

New issue: the eave above the Saw-Mid is solid and can catch jumping players.

http://i.imgur.com/kvWEaWz.jpg

On both sides:
Old issue: you can stand over the door at the Second-Saw connector.

http://i.imgur.com/lGqgAyR.jpg

Old issue: the following eaves are solid:

http://i.imgur.com/U0OsRWv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pSlIEOn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ByHLKM4.jpg

Old issue: the lights shine through the log on Train. I forget if this was a Source engine bug or not.

http://i.imgur.com/8IVye1m.jpg

New issue: it would be nice if the corrugated metal were on top of the roofs at Mid, instead of hanging underneath. It's unclear where the roof is nonsolid and where it's solid.

http://i.imgur.com/IXkRGOr.jpg

New issue: the Shacks are inconsistent. The ones at Mid have nonsolid eaves, while the ones at last and the Tower are clipped off.

http://i.imgur.com/lFatAuI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/z8NAjiJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IvmjAPA.jpg

Due to the new hiding spots and other asymmetry, _10 is still more usable than _12. Thanks for putting in the work consistently to release updates! Snakewater's getting really close to perfect!

Thanks Bilbert. I clearly didn't spend enough time jumping around before claiming this is a better version. u13, coming up!

Hey,

Thanks to Bilbert's findings, I've been able to complete u13. This version should be (if not) very closed to finished.

Updated to u13: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2447457/cp_snakewater_u13.bsp

Changelog u13

* Fixed roofs extending too far
* Fixed some visual inconsistencies (????)
* Fixed a lot of visual inconsistencies
* Fixed multiple clipping bugs (thanks Bilbert)

Cheers,
chojje

https://puu.sh/qWter/56dbb78baa.png

Although you did mention about fixing the roofs extending too far, I don't reckon there being anything in changelogs about extending the roofs on mid like this. The bigger issue with these on both sides of the map is that they look like you could jump on to them right on the edge but they are not solid however so you just fall back down on the catwalk, either looking like you could jump on to them or messing up jumps. This was not an issue in u10 version, only u13.

pls fix that shit i keep falling off

Hey everyone. I'm shipping the updated Snakewater to Valve today. I've been working hard the past few weeks to get them to accept and include the custom content graciously created for the map, to no avail. I still decided to go ahead with the update, as the hard work put into the gameplay update definitely deserves recognition.

Here's a link to the version I'm sending to valve. It should be as good as finished - if you find any bugs please alert me quickly so I can notify Valve.

Download u14: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2447457/cp_snakewater_u14.bsp

Changelog u14:

* Reduced size of roof awnings to better match clips
* Removed custom content
* Fixed a malicious sightline

I will get back once the map is officially updated with a more proper changelog for _final1, and proper acknowledgement for all involved in the update process.

Cheers,
chojje

Just took a look round the map and spotted only 1 super-minor issue. The light in kitchen on the red side is not actually on the wall, and sort of floats in mid-air. Blu side is fine.

http://i.imgur.com/Zhre3c8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TzWWmST.jpg

I realise I'm being really picky here, but anyway, now you know. :P

Rip snakes and cheese );

What were their reasoning for not including the custom content? I honestly was really hopeful for at least the competitive-related decals movement to start becoming a thing in TF2 to help strengthen competitive presence.

From situations I've heard before, Valve want all assets to be paid for properly, but changing the way money is distributed is a big deal and they don't want to have to do it if they can avoid it.

There was an issue in Vanguard where some textures weren't properly credited and Fubar had to make a personal deal with the artist because Valve couldn't (or wouldn't) change the distribution by that point.

so exactly how many ugly hats and cosmetics are currently in the game that valve is perfectly willing to pay creators for but as soon as it's something competitive related it's not happening? what a joke. fuck valve seriously :/ they've been screwing competitive over for 9 years and counting this week

It's absolutely nothing to do with competitive, it's straight up just their rules on adding assets/contributors to previously accepted content.

http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/6cpmmSJzzJwv7kueeXbEoF-650-80.jpg
http://www.gosugamers.net/files/images/news/2015/may/olofmeister%20guardian%20angel1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O07cual.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DTXCVET.jpg

etc

consistent rules, clearly

what are you talking about?
all of those maps and artworks are owned and created by valve. this is a completely different situation lol