What? tf2 is still played 6v6 and thalash is still bad

So awesome that ReDeYe acknowledged us, I honestly don't think I knew who he was at the time lol

Post on your main faggot

Vanish.

come out with one hand in the air and another one away from that b4nny sub button

Really emotional outro! Amazing work by dashner, davidthewin, admirable, getawhale, sideshow, bren, war, commanderx and everyone who took part in the streaming/casting of the LAN. You all made it amazing! Congratz to the winners from the TF2Pickup.net stuff! ^^

That outro thooo, I really hope that i61 happens, maybe it is time to go back, with or without a team... Much love for all the production crew <3

Congratulations to all top four teams for giving us such awesome and close matches. SO MANY TIMES a team pushed all the way to their opponent's last, just to beef the last push and eventualy lose the round in 40secs!
(right now)I geniunely believe that even tho small, tf2 has the most passionate community between every other game that is considered an esport.

So hype for the next one now !

Amazing games. Amazing I series

Quality point!

SUAVE @i61 hype

Thanks for the amazing LAN. So many close matches.

i58 frag video when?

that outro oh my god

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/073/7686178464_fdc8ea66c7.jpg

I'm incredibly confused at how this level of coaching was even allowed. isn't one of the core parts of 6s that one or two players in the team call for plays with only their viewpoint and what teammates tell them as their information?

having live coaching, while being able to see every single player POV seems to just skip that entirely, it's an objective upgrade

What my heart wanted:

1. Jasmine
2. Froyo
3. Full Tilt
4. Crowns

What happened:
1. Crowns
2. Full Tilt
3. Froyo
4. Jasmine

https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/twitchconbiblethump-profile_image-aebd2d4c1d7c59f1-300x300.png

congratulations on your 7 v 6 win crowns

Well... then try to see spudd as the hand of kaidus he can no longer use :v

There is nothing you can do but accept the fact that now coaches are a reality in tf2 too

the real mvp is seagull for that host right guys

Yeah right, I honestly hope i58 is the last time we'll see coaches allowed. Crowns are incredibly talented, Stark is EU's best scout, kaptain best EU's pocket, Raymon best EU's med (sorry kos heh), but without kaidus I'm not so sure they would've won. Might honestly be the first time I think a victory is undeserved. Yes I am salty.

Congrats to Crowns nonetheless for bringing EU a victory after 2 years of domination by froyo, well played to Full Tilt, unfortunately you fell too short in the end.

Did Kaidus also use a plugin that allowed him to be at a computer and see everyone on his team's POV's? I could maybe have been OK with him standing behind but using a plugin like that feels like it goes far beyond what should be happening.

Coaches as a concept are fine by me, hell i'd be ok with the coach plugin being allowed for scrims, that would just save everybody time having to watch demos but beyond that its just too much of an advantage to let a 7th man maincall you
Call me a salty fanboy but full tilt improving this much after drawing against a much worse coach-less crowns at DHS makes them the real champs to me

not sure if anyone noticed this

https://twitter.com/jamesbardolph/status/769942675810385920

The plugin allows him to spectate his team but his team only. Unlike in CSGO where coaches were a thing (although drama recently with valve) CSGO coaches got dumbed down to talking in pauses and stuff but weren't actively calling.

The way Kaidus was used, as said in one of the interviews, was that he calls everything for them. Kaidus is a great player and could already do this whilst playing, now he has less pressure on the actual playing of the game and can do this to an even better extent, not to mention with more insight into the rest of his team.

They have really talented players just not a strong leader which makes this win feel a little cheaper than it should in my mind. Maybe they wouldn't have gotten as far, maybe they would who knows. Stark made a game changer in the GC and probably not kaidus and that's where it came down to really.So GGWP.

It surprises me that people were ever in favour of mid-round coaching in both cs and tf2. I can't think of many games played at a competitive level where one of the biggest, if not most, defining characteristic of a player's skill isn't having good game sense. Taking this out of the player's hand just seems strange af to me. I couldn't care less if you frag better without having to read the flow of the game and manage your team. In my eyes that falls under being good, the best, at the game.

I know this isn't a csgo forum but like, related I guess, when people ask for help because they're plateauing, the one thing every single person says is, "watch demos, improve your game sense, work on your ability to make good mid-round calls", yet at the top of the scene they've got a 6th man telling the players what to do. Eh?

I'm not good at games though, so maybe I don't see it from the same perspective. Thoughts appreciated.

E: gg to all teams and crew at the event though. Every game casted on tftv was a banger.

Honestly a lot of their games were so close this entire lan that if just one advantaged was removed they probably wouldn't have done nearly as well. Kaidus coaching was a huge advantage.

You can see every single player POV at once by standing behind, the plugin blocked the ability to spectate the other team. How is it any better? Technically, it means you can actually only view one at a time so it's hardly bringing anything more than what you'd achieve in person.

The idea behind forcing participation on the server meant any teams who happened to be placed on rows in front of teams using coaches (physically) reduced the risk of being able to see enemy POVs as well.

Personally? I don't really agree with coaches, maincalling was definitely an element that provided a skill difference in many teams. At the end of the day though if it did improve Crowns [over having kaidus, the caller, as a player] then what we saw was a higher level of play, or better quality. It's not a terrible thing to explore options that strive to better the quality of play, surely?

A case was made for it, it was tried. I agreed to do it and i'm standing by it. Honestly, that's the best iseries LAN final we've ever had so i'm not regretting that if it contributed at all. If from here the idea is ditched in future events and tournaments then so be it. Nothing ever changes unless you give it a chance to. All the other teams had an opportunity to use a coach [Jasmine Tea and froyotech understandably have a much greater financial struggle to achieve that, that's something that sucks only because of where our community is at with funding and LANs, i'm not rich I can't change that as much as i'd love to]

I knew Crowns winning would only bring out more salt but whatever. If you're salty, blame me, I don't care. If it's all bullshit then it won't catch on and we'll drop the idea.

I'm done with organising TF2 at iseries here so whoever is taking over for the future can make this decision next year if it's at the event.

I also hope that in-game coaching won't become a thing in any game, not just TF2. Coaches should only be allowed to be involved during a tactical time-out(maybe the time between rounds + limited number of tactical pauses per team), between maps and in practice.

That being said, because of the unfortunate circumstances with Kaidus no longer being able to play, I don't mind it as much in this instance even though I would prefer that it doesn't make a return in the future. There's also the downside of the added time to react because things have to go through Kaidus before someone reacts instead of the caller just instantly reacting on their own because they already know what they want to do.

I think in the end the best team did win. Stark delivers the intelligent ninja plays and 1v1s/1v2s every single bloody time, Kaptain is an absolute rock both with his damage output/denial and his positioning relative to his team and Raymon's arrows(seriously, if you watch back and pay attention to this specifically, the amount of times he saves people or turns the health advantage on its head with a few quick ones), positioning/surfing and milking was as good as any medic at an i-Series ever.

Congratulations to Crowns; I have always enjoyed watching you even if I seem to be the only one who does. The top 4 all entertained me and all would have deserved to win, but in the end you played best when it mattered and won. Thank you for the nail-biting entertainment.

will i get minus fragged to shit for pointing out that crowns beat full tilt online without kaidus coaching and were in a equally as close game at dreamhack without kaidus, so claiming he somehow made this huge difference is pretty unfounded

yeah my man I'm gonna have to hit you with a minus on that one