TBH I think coaching was unfari right here as only 1 team had it ready. If the tf2 comp organizers decide to allow coaches big change is needed for all corners so it is all fair again.
But frankly lets not have coaches.

Froyo got knocked into the lower bracket by crowns to a 1 point difference. I would say coaching had a part in this like it did the grand finals.
http://www.teamfortress.tv/35833/i58-uf-froyotech-vs-crowns-esports-club/?game=3

I've seen some people say that "coaches should be allowed if other teams say it's okay." This is flat out awful, and was the cause of MANY issues in other scenes such as dota2/cs where admins would put the onus of a decision on one of the teams. This creates a shitty situation where one team doesn't want to be 'the bad guy' and will often allow things WAY outside the rules so as to not come across as dicks. It's the league's job to make clear rules, and an admin's job to enforce them. The teams should (almost) never be in control of making decisions like that.

i see some good points being made, i guess the +1 doesn't really belong.
though i do hope people don't feel like crowns didn't deserve their first place

Froyo also lost to Crowns in a golden cap. I hold Dashner in the highest regards, but bias against one team in particular is unprofessional.

Edit: dammit fluf

I'm not trying to be a bitch, but why exactly does dashner hate froyo so much?

Root for the underdogs yo its nothing personal

and exactly every single player and analyst thinks its a dumb rule

in csgo, you mainly control the economy, think of strats, and try to keep moral up.
since tf2 doesn't have a radar, you need to call everything. You need to track ubers, call players, call pushes all while your trying to heal/dm people. Having a coach means you can just do your classes role and listen to your coach.

i dont think coaches are a good idea (especially in their current form) but how come full tilt didn't have a coach?

Ipz coached them online before the event. They didn't want someone in the comms, you have to build synergy and trust their calls.

Regardless of whether it should or shouldn't be allowed - I would be extremely embarrassed as a player if I had to have someone outside of the game tell me things like when to push and what our uber % was.

It's easier to maincall from a players perspective than from spec because you can't make a call around what you are doing or about to do

but a seventh player is doing that job, so how does that make it any more fair?

I don't think it's froyo specifically. It's probably just b4nny he dislikes. He probably just wanted b4nny to lose after all the trash talk he threw at the Europeans (which in all fairness goes both ways). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There is zero possible way having an amazing, experienced player that knows how you play and knows how the other teams play is fair. Imagine if b4nny was coaching a a high IM team. They would crush everyone. It's completely unfair and FT should have won

now i want to see b4nny coach a low open team from open to invite just to see if it's possible

I mean muma freestate paddie were low invite. Now they are two time invite champions

Coaching in half time & scrims, sure, why not. Main calling? Yea fucking right.

Well bringing a seventg man for Crowns was a breeze cause they had a sponsor but for the rest of the teams especially Froyo thats a lot of money to find.

Agreed, it does create an unfair advantage for teams that can afford to fly a 7th player to the event.

Not even a question. Unless the coach is literally a clown there is no way he could not present a huge advantage. It's much easier to use your brain in game when you aren't actually playing.

Exactly i mean if you are focusing only on strategy, uber tracking, you do it exxeptionally well because you dont have to focus on dm skill and staying alive and making plays.

I mean i think i58 could have ended differently without coaches.

you guys are overestimating how much a coach can help a team. froyo, for example, would not improve with a coach. its far more beneficial to have players who can take charge rather than someone who isnt in the game. kaidus almost never spoke during a fight as he couldnt get a word in. it was only during downtime (during stalemates, rollouts, freeze time etc.) that he spoke up and told us what to do.

thats definitely not true. there's only so much a coach can see and its not possible to micromanage a bunch of idiots

Still an advantage that not everyone has access to

i honestly question the sincerity of this comment
didn't kaidus basically say he was calling everything in an interview after the ubf?

https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f914.png

how exactly? i mean a coach can just watch everyone on the team and tell them exactly what to do, without the need to focus on anything else, it's very easy and gives the team more room to concentrate on dm'ing other than comming

Have you ever tried to control a pug team even when you're playing? How on earth could you control six dm donkeys from spec?! While I think it has its pros and cons and I'm personally not that keen on igl coaches in tf2, some of these posts are madness! Kaidus calling from demo was better than kaidus calling from spec, and as stark said a team who has that igl style player like banny on Froyotech would get virtually 0 from an igl coach.

Memories of Byte trying to control Forsak3n, Klar and Droso come flooding back

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