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This is nice and all, but I think it would be better without all the snow

The snow textures or the snow particles? I have 9 snow spawning entities currently in the map. I didn't know snow would cause this much of a problem or I wouldn't have included them in the compile.

Thanks!

Particles. So I am the same Tsarbucks from reddit. Would you like this to be included in this weekend's pugs.

Heya again! I am glad to hear it's just the particles as those will be easy to remove. I am away from my main PC until the 25th so I can't get any changes done until then.

Yes I would love to have my map included in the weekend pug. I won't be able to join but I welcome the feedback from the play!

Not to drag this off topic, but if it was just the particles and/or weather effects, why was viaduct converted from snow to grass?

Alpine theme is lighter and has simple lighting (according to some of my mapping friends as my maps usually don't make it to beta (;-;)). For new maps, alpine works with a lot of lighting hues, so a lot of inspirations can fall into the alpine theme.

There's also the a bit more mellow fact that a lot new mappers see that the alpine theme is deeply associated with 6s. They see Process, Snakewater (depending on your interpretation of alpine), Granary (Same as Snakewater), Product, Sunshine, and Reckoner are all Alpine and every other theme combined makes up less than that. People might just think that 6s maps have to be alpine so continue making alpine maps for 6s. Just my 2 cents.

Would be cool to see some more swamp and egypt themed maps in 6s imo.
I kind of hope the snow theme stays as well as long as there's no framerate issues resulting from it.

I would like to see a good Egypt 6s map too. Perhaps my next project after this one is all wrapped up. I also hope snow themes stay as I find the lighting at day and night looks really good with them.

Firstly the console is very angry at me.

I'm no map expert, but I feel like the map as a whole is extremely big. It almost feels like a jump map. There is an absurd amount of ground to cover to get from spawn to the point, making it in general difficult to rotate as a team. The maze-like nature of the mansion and the several dropdowns exacerbate this.

And the area around the point is massive, yielding sightlines such as these ones from the roof thing. Also backing up from the point, there is only one easy exit if you're not explosive jumping. Scouts can reach the top-left part but that requires them to get past a jumping puzzle in the form of crates. The right-side snowbank is deceivingly difficult to climb up, which means the roof is only a real escape route if you're already on the snowbank.

Also there's that entire underground rocket area, not sure what to say about that. The sign that says "<= ROCKET" probably means there's a rocket in that vault, but honestly it just confused me for a few seconds as I turned left and ran into a wall. I'd prefer a sign that directs me to the control point -- maybe I'm just stupid but the first time I navigated the underground area I ended up in the other team's base and had no clue where the point was.

Other miscellaneous things:
Not sure how I feel about being able to jump over this
I can imagine these things becoming a nuisance

Thank you for the feedback. I'll have to think about how and what to cut to make the map smaller if the size is an issue. Can anyone else confirm that their console is displaying the same message constantly?

The underground passageways were supposed to be another way to the point and to the tunnel directly under the point. You can also escape through it if you're directly on the point.

I'll have to think about an easier way to escape from the point or perhaps changing the snow banks so you don't have to go around the thin house with the team logo on it to get onto it.

I've had another person comment on the lack of signage that leads to the point so I will be adding more for sure.

I'll have to get more tested on the sight line, but I understand what you mean. If you're on the slanted roof in front of the sniper fence I thought that would make it hard to avoid spam (especially rockets since the slope acts to make it really hard to not get hit by splash damage.

On the misc issues:

You don't like being able to jump over the railing? It's another route if you want it to be by landing on the snow at the top of the cliff.

I will find a way to make those nubs not solid.

Can someone link me to a direct map download? I'm having trouble with all of my steam workshop subscriptions and would like to take a look at the map

this is a sweet lookin map, excited to play on this in nmpugs

Here! Hopefully this works. Enjoy the PUG:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pg5oi1ke5t50hpw/koth_avalanchev3.bsp?dl=0

Did anyone manage to play this in the weekend pug?

Not when I was on. Console was on much later than me, so I'll be sure to ask him when he gets on

Uh, such a nice map! Especially this WW2 flair remembers me a lot of good ol' Day Of Defeat.

On a side note: There actually is a Valve map called dod_avalanche released for both DoD and DoD:S. So you'd maybe like to check this - just in case. I have no idea if there might occur any copyright related issues regarding the map name.

After reading koth_avalanche, I really thought there's somehow going to be a avalanche remake for TF2 (which would be amazing, at least imo). One of my favorite maps back then.

Thank! I'm not sure about the situation with the map name either currently. I will change it if necessary but I will wait for now while researching and also see if I am contacted.

haha you mapped keledros! cool! Good ol master sword

Holy shit. I expected no one to know what Mastersword was!

I now have a server running only this map for feedback at 76.164.195.154. The horrendous ping is now fixed too!

the master is triggered

Before I remove the snow, I want to see if the map is even comp playable in regard to layout and size (unless the removal of snow is vital for testing). It takes 2+ hours to compile and casual players seem to like snow.

tried to test it but your download link is to an imgur picture

I've updated the main post now with a dropbox link.

We didn’t actually play this map because just from walking around we could tell that it was unfit for 6s. It is way too big, the entire area between the first and 2nd lobbies could be cut out because as it is right now there is no reason for it to be there.

The entire area under point is basically pointless, no one will ever really have any reason to go down there.

The are off the map that you can fall off is sorta dumb, no 6s maps have areas you can fall off and die. Also the tress you can jump to are sorta weird too.

Thanks for the feedback! Highlander hasn't been tested on it which could be interesting I think.

1. I admit to being a n00b for mapping for comp. I am curious though, why do people dislike areas that you can fall off and die? There are no tricky pits, just a cliff-side on one side of the map. Is it the threat of a potential accidental death?

2. Regarding the tunnel under the point: Would no one go there due to the time spent to get there or due to lack of health or ammo incentive?