I'd love to see the results

Same, wouldn't making it via strawpoll better to have a clear feedback ?

I'd vote for BASE jumper unban, but isn't there some bug with it?

Can we just ask the tf team the last question and not make big changes based on assumptions?

nah with BJ you just get really high with walljumps and spam while taking zero damage

dalakos bar can almost definitely be unbanned because iirc it was only on the list cuz of the bug that let you keep the health buff. its pretty much outclassed by the sandwich.

yeah the dalokohs bar was fixed so that should probably be unbanned. there was a base jumper bug where sentries wouldnt target you, idk if its fixed

The BASE Jumper was unbanned in the first installment of the universal whitelist and immediately rebanned in the amendment just two days later. It isn't getting unbanned again anytime soon.

First 100 results:

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4 people skipped this question so thats probably 4 more for "None". The Dalokohs Bar should be unbanned and maybe also the Quick Fix and Solemn Vow

http://i.imgur.com/451WtNP.png

9 people skipped this so 9 more votes for "No"
The "other" responses had many suggestions like Iron Bomber, Direct Hit, Gunslinger, Jag, Crossbow. The most voted here were Machina and Vaccinator. Rescue Ranger should be banned

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why is sydney sleeper banned I seriously want to know the reasoning behind it

the only currently banned weapon that I've always had a soft spot for is bonk, but I recognize I'm in the minority on that one

the number of people voting to unban the quick fix is frightening tho

it's ridiculously broken

u can still get the med bodyshot +2 kill except it charges faster and u can also easily piss on people

mfw people rather play with quick-fix than base jumper lol
the jumper isn't even good

Why would anyone ever want to ban xbow DH or iron bomber

why did the quick-fix create so many stalemates? was it uber or faster healing?

I would be in favor of banning the crossbow until it's nerfed - right now you can simply put out far too much healing, and gain far too much uber, from its use. It should be set back to how it was where, yes, you can heal your teammates with it, and sure, build uber from its use, but only be able to fire it once every 20 minutes or so. The problem is that it currently upsets the internal calculus of the game too much - you never have any idea how hurt a player actually is because they can just get an arrow slung at them with the enemy medic sacrificing nothing to make the attempt, not to mention the impact of defensive arrow building (you know the other team is going to push so you arrow build and woops turns out you have uber and their push is boned). Arrows also have the negative effect of allowing players who are "pushed out" of a certain map area to get an arrow and return at near or full health - again with almost no sacrifice on the medic's part.

The rescue ranger is also pretty lame.

Also, never ever unban the quickfix it's awful for everything and everyone.

I don't particularly care about valve. If the game is fun or not is enough for me lol. We shouldn't phrase whitelists as rejecting valve, but simply making valve's product better. Like the ker-trillions of games that are far superior with mods.

The quicker you can build uber, the more uber v uber stalemates arise. That caused people to use heavies more, too. But the quick fix sucked at being an uber, so it couldn't push against a heavy giving the other team add. But the defending team would get uber so quickly making it hard to push on advantages.

was basically mandatory to middle but pushing last with it was cancer

having a permanent height advantage while making everyone look at you is stupid as fuck and should not be unbanned. I really think the rescue ranger has a good spot, still easy to destroy sentries but makes them much more viable and easy to position. This makes sentries more strategic and viable without effecting the flow of the game.

I think unbanning the pomson, dalohks and solemn vow. I read somewhere the quickfix always builds at max rate is that true? that would seem really broken.

Also something to keep in mind, if we give a big fuck you to valve it doesn't really change anything. We can use whatever whitelist we want. But we risk something like the sticky nerf again (volvo you stay away from my gunboats). Valve balances this game for casual, working with valve is in our best interest for the future of the game.

I believe at the time it ruined the esea grand final the main theory was that it charges too fast not to use it because other mediguns are too slow in comparison, but it's not strong enough to get through sticky traps and very defensive setups leading to never ending stalemates. Anyone remember which esea season it was in?

https://youtu.be/OalWDhYfdeg

Quick note about the Solemn Vow:

It allows medics to see the uber percentage of the enemy medic. I don't think it's that big of a deal but a lot of people (including I) were for unbanning the Solemn Vow when the Global whitelist was revealed but I think many of us weren't aware of that at the time.

I'm still all for unbanning it though. Promotes teamwork, rewards medics who maincall, will stop my medics from wm1ing at a scout with the ubersaw.
Sounds nice on paper at least. If it turns out to be aids it can just be banned again the season afterwards. And it will have nowhere near the impact of atomizer/base jumper while it's unbanned

Poll's missing jarate

edit nvm it isn't

I'd like to see a match in which bonk is unbanned tbh.

also for reference fastest build time by healing for kritz, quick fix and medi gun respectively are 32, 37 and 40 seconds

No one's ever building at max rate the entire time. It takes ~1 minute to build an uber usually.

Not to mention, it completely removes the concept of building from the game as you'd always be building at max rate.

EDIT: Made the second point more clear.

Except the Quick-Fix always builds at max rate.

Honestly, it would be nice if we used a promod plugin that rebalances weapons for 6s. Shouldn't be too hard to make/maitain since tons of pubs have modified weapons already (x10 servers, vsh servers etc). I don't really see how that would negatively impact our "relationship" with valve, seeing as it's currently nonexistent apart from writing a news post for major lans and distributing medals for leagues. Just tailor the game to be the most fun it can be and stop worrying about valve, it's not like we matter to them, we're only a tiny fragment of the community of a game they don't really prioritize anyway.

If valve ever takes an interest in hosting official tournaments/lans (and I highly doubt they will, since it doesn't look like a source of profit for them) it'll be on their terms using their rules anyway so why stress over it

TF2 is an old game already and the playerbase is diminishing, so the more time goes on, the less likely it is that valve will bother investing money or effort into new things like official tournaments. We're all here because we love playing the game, not because we hope that it'll be the next huge esport, that would be delusional. So imho, it's pointless to sacrifice fun in the name of something that'll never happen.

Don't worry about it, just make sure that you have fun.

the problem with an anonymous unrestricted poll is that it the opinions of the majority are stacked towards the lowest common denominator