[quote=Differ][quote=Dagger]restricting immigration from countries where isis is operating.
damn, that's racist.[/quote]
[img]http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-09-01-1472759565-493250-extreme_extreme_vetting.jpg[/img][/quote]
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from
i'll take attendance
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i'll take attendance
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eXtineeXecutive signing in the wall is insane corruption. He's gonna spend a lot of money on something that is literally pretty pointless and has a lot of serious logistical impediments. the only way possible that he could actually get MeXico to pay for it is through war. The idea of economic tarrifs to pay for it is stupidity, they'd just try to equal it out however they can and take their business elsewhere.
illegal immigration is bad for poor people, well off educated people benefit from it because they get cheaper jobs but the poor Americans who want those "shitty" jobs dont do too well
as a side note the border wall isn't some new idea donald trump came up with it's been in the works since 2006
[quote=eXtine]eXecutive signing in the wall is insane corruption. He's gonna spend a lot of money on something that is literally pretty pointless and has a lot of serious logistical impediments. the only way possible that he could actually get MeXico to pay for it is through war. The idea of economic tarrifs to pay for it is stupidity, they'd just try to equal it out however they can and take their business elsewhere.[/quote]
illegal immigration is bad for poor people, well off educated people benefit from it because they get cheaper jobs but the poor Americans who want those "shitty" jobs dont do too well
as a side note the border wall isn't some new idea donald trump came up with it's been in the works since 2006
Nub_Danishhttps://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from
you're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.
[quote=Nub_Danish]
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from[/quote]
you're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.
GetawhaleNub_Danishhttps://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from
you're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.
i just dont like stuff being so disingenuous i don't see the point of the chart
islamic extremism is more of threat to our culture than it is to our lives
[quote=Getawhale][quote=Nub_Danish]
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from[/quote]
you're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.[/quote]
i just dont like stuff being so disingenuous i don't see the point of the chart
islamic extremism is more of threat to our culture than it is to our lives
lying is bad, so he is really doing a good thing by staying true to his word :)
lying is bad, so he is really doing a good thing by staying true to his word :)
Getawhaleyou're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.
If we're looking for the true quality in the thread, I would like to return to the discussion of how dangerous a bed in possession of a nuclear weapon might be.
[quote=Getawhale]you're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.[/quote]
If we're looking for the true quality in the thread, I would like to return to the discussion of how dangerous a bed in possession of a nuclear weapon might be.
GentlemanJonGetawhaleyou're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.
If we're looking for the true quality in the thread, I would like to return to the discussion of how dangerous a bed in possession of a nuclear weapon might be.
http://puu.sh/tzjrg/2fa00fd242.jpg
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=Getawhale]you're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.[/quote]
If we're looking for the true quality in the thread, I would like to return to the discussion of how dangerous a bed in possession of a nuclear weapon might be.[/quote]
[img]http://puu.sh/tzjrg/2fa00fd242.jpg[/img]
Nub_Danishhttps://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from
The site you list doesn't say whether the perpetrator was an American citizen or not. Not sure how what you're trying to use it to say, since the 144 people over what, 14 years comes out to almost exactly the number in the chart when you add immigrants and non-immigrants.
Getawhaleyou're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.
The point is that the threat to Americans from refugee terrorist attacks is miniscule compared to, say, disastrous consequences of lax gun safety laws. Trumps campaign promise (and, now, policy measure) to ban muslims/refugees from entering the country is not only disgusting from a humanitarian standpoint (today, many Syrian refugees are held up in Turkey, where they aren't allowed to work and have trouble accessing heathcare and education services), but also when you consider that these unfounded allegations deepen the distrust between ethnic and religious communities in the US. It's hard to deny that they're the result of a deeply racist worldview.
[quote=Nub_Danish]
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from[/quote]
The site you list doesn't say whether the perpetrator was an American citizen or not. Not sure how what you're trying to use it to say, since the 144 people over what, 14 years comes out to almost exactly the number in the chart when you add immigrants and non-immigrants.
[quote=Getawhale]
you're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.[/quote]
The point is that the threat to Americans from refugee terrorist attacks is miniscule compared to, say, disastrous consequences of lax gun safety laws. Trumps campaign promise (and, now, policy measure) to ban muslims/refugees from entering the country is not only disgusting from a humanitarian standpoint (today, many Syrian refugees are held up in Turkey, where they aren't allowed to work and have trouble accessing heathcare and education services), but also when you consider that these unfounded allegations deepen the distrust between ethnic and religious communities in the US. It's hard to deny that they're the result of a deeply racist worldview.
SearchlightNub_Danishhttps://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from
The site you list doesn't say whether the perpetrator was an American citizen or not. Not sure how what you're trying to use it to say, since the 144 people over what, 14 years comes out to almost exactly the number in the chart when you add immigrants and non-immigrants.
Getawhaleyou're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.
The point is that the threat to Americans from refugee terrorist attacks is miniscule compared to, say, disastrous consequences of lax gun safety laws. Trumps campaign promise (and, now, policy measure) to ban muslims/refugees from entering the country is not only disgusting from a humanitarian standpoint (today, many Syrian refugees are held up in Turkey, where they aren't allowed to work and have trouble accessing heathcare and education services), but also when you consider that these unfounded allegations deepen the distrust between ethnic and religious communities in the US. It's hard to deny that they're the result of a deeply racist worldview.
finally someone talking some sense
[quote=Searchlight][quote=Nub_Danish]
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from[/quote]
The site you list doesn't say whether the perpetrator was an American citizen or not. Not sure how what you're trying to use it to say, since the 144 people over what, 14 years comes out to almost exactly the number in the chart when you add immigrants and non-immigrants.
[quote=Getawhale]
you're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.[/quote]
The point is that the threat to Americans from refugee terrorist attacks is miniscule compared to, say, disastrous consequences of lax gun safety laws. Trumps campaign promise (and, now, policy measure) to ban muslims/refugees from entering the country is not only disgusting from a humanitarian standpoint (today, many Syrian refugees are held up in Turkey, where they aren't allowed to work and have trouble accessing heathcare and education services), but also when you consider that these unfounded allegations deepen the distrust between ethnic and religious communities in the US. It's hard to deny that they're the result of a deeply racist worldview.[/quote]
finally someone talking some sense
SearchlightNub_Danishhttps://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from
The site you list doesn't say whether the perpetrator was an American citizen or not. Not sure how what you're trying to use it to say, since the 144 people over what, 14 years comes out to almost exactly the number in the chart when you add immigrants and non-immigrants.
Getawhaleyou're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.
The point is that the threat to Americans from refugee terrorist attacks is miniscule compared to, say, disastrous consequences of lax gun safety laws. Trumps campaign promise (and, now, policy measure) to ban muslims/refugees from entering the country is not only disgusting from a humanitarian standpoint (today, many Syrian refugees are held up in Turkey, where they aren't allowed to work and have trouble accessing heathcare and education services), but also when you consider that these unfounded allegations deepen the distrust between ethnic and religious communities in the US. It's hard to deny that they're the result of a deeply racist worldview.
how does it come out to 2 where does this math come from 9/11 alone was 3k and people injured would also could as victims of the terror attack
[quote=Searchlight][quote=Nub_Danish]
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from[/quote]
The site you list doesn't say whether the perpetrator was an American citizen or not. Not sure how what you're trying to use it to say, since the 144 people over what, 14 years comes out to almost exactly the number in the chart when you add immigrants and non-immigrants.
[quote=Getawhale]
you're right, even the most generous math gives more than two, even when you exclude 9/11 as an outlier, but i doubt the importance/significance/purpose of the chart he posted. we get it, americans shoot other americans. so in other words, that graph isn't really a compelling thing to look at or consider.[/quote]
The point is that the threat to Americans from refugee terrorist attacks is miniscule compared to, say, disastrous consequences of lax gun safety laws. Trumps campaign promise (and, now, policy measure) to ban muslims/refugees from entering the country is not only disgusting from a humanitarian standpoint (today, many Syrian refugees are held up in Turkey, where they aren't allowed to work and have trouble accessing heathcare and education services), but also when you consider that these unfounded allegations deepen the distrust between ethnic and religious communities in the US. It's hard to deny that they're the result of a deeply racist worldview.[/quote]
how does it come out to 2 where does this math come from 9/11 alone was 3k and people injured would also could as victims of the terror attack
Nub_DanishDifferDaggerrestricting immigration from countries where isis is operating.
damn, that's racist.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-09-01-1472759565-493250-extreme_extreme_vetting.jpg
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from
I don't want to enter in the political discussion, but after your contestation I went to look for their source (https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/what-threat-united-states-today/). And in the Part IV of the article (named "What is the Threat to the United States Today?") there is a graphic with the statistics.
According to this graphic, between 2006 and 2016, 92 people died from islamic jihadist terrorists (against 120 from your source), this would result in 9.2 per year (or 12 from your source). But, this considers both terrorists born in US and immigrants (the 2 per year number is counting only the immigrants)... If you count only the immigrants (in the graphic they are saying when the terrorist was born in USA), there was a total of 14 kills, 1.4 per year...
So, according to the source, the number 2 doesn't seems something made up.
[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=Differ][quote=Dagger]restricting immigration from countries where isis is operating.
damn, that's racist.[/quote]
[img]http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-09-01-1472759565-493250-extreme_extreme_vetting.jpg[/img][/quote]
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx hmmmmm where exactly does this 2 number come from[/quote]
I don't want to enter in the political discussion, but after your contestation I went to look for their source (https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/what-threat-united-states-today/). And in the Part IV of the article (named "What is the Threat to the United States Today?") there is a graphic with the statistics.
According to this graphic, between 2006 and 2016, 92 people died from islamic jihadist terrorists (against 120 from your source), this would result in 9.2 per year (or 12 from your source). But, this considers both terrorists born in US and immigrants (the 2 per year number is counting only the immigrants)... If you count only the immigrants (in the graphic they are saying when the terrorist was born in USA), there was a total of 14 kills, 1.4 per year...
So, according to the source, the number 2 doesn't seems something made up.
Nub_Danishhow does it come out to 2 where does this math come from 9/11 alone was 3k and people injured would also could as victims of the terror attack
Ooh, let me do the all lowercase, no punctuation gimmick to convey that I don't care!
it literally says 10-year average right in the graphic sorry for coming off confrontational i didnt realize i was arguing with a blind person on the internet
[quote=Nub_Danish]
how does it come out to 2 where does this math come from 9/11 alone was 3k and people injured would also could as victims of the terror attack[/quote]
Ooh, let me do the all lowercase, no punctuation gimmick to convey that I don't care!
it literally says 10-year average right in the graphic sorry for coming off confrontational i didnt realize i was arguing with a blind person on the internet
Personaly I dont know anybody who gives a shit about this. We liked canada more anyway!
Personaly I dont know anybody who gives a shit about this. We liked canada more anyway!
Come on Pankeyman where you at.
(make sure to lock the thread after he posts ty)
Come on Pankeyman where you at.
(make sure to lock the thread after he posts ty)
lol you guys are even more fucked than we are
lol you guys are even more fucked than we are
Getawhalei'll take attendance
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This is just straight up being a meanie :( but I hate to see uncompleted lists, so here is my post.
[quote=Getawhale]i'll take attendance
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who else are we expecting[/quote]
This is just straight up being a meanie :( but I hate to see uncompleted lists, so here is my post.
I understand from the reported leaks that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list of countries being blocked to prevent the US becoming subject to more terrorist attacks. Comedy gold Don.
I understand from the reported leaks that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list of countries being blocked to prevent the US becoming subject to more terrorist attacks. Comedy gold Don.
Getawhalei'll take attendance
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who else are we expecting
you forgot pankey
[quote=Getawhale]i'll take attendance
☑ mustardoverlord
☑ eee
☐ SpaceCadet
☐ dollarlayer
who else are we expecting[/quote]
you forgot pankey
when will he make anime real?
when will he make anime real?
You forgot yaug @getawhale
You forgot yaug @getawhale
Can I come off the list? Pretty please? I have been a good boy lately and totally avoided expressing my opinions for things outside TF2 for months now!
Can I come off the list? Pretty please? I have been a good boy lately and totally avoided expressing my opinions for things outside TF2 for months now!
Seems he forgot Oman, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrein, Kuwait, Albania, Turkey, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Morrocco, Maldives, Comoros, Mauritania, Mali, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Brunei, and many others.
Seems he forgot Oman, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrein, Kuwait, Albania, Turkey, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Morrocco, Maldives, Comoros, Mauritania, Mali, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Brunei, and many others.
GentlemanJonI understand from the reported leaks that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list of countries being blocked to prevent the US becoming subject to more terrorist attacks. Comedy gold Don.
why would it be? they have a stable government, they are not involved in any wars besides intervening in syria and yemen against isis, and they have closed their borders to all refugees.
[quote=GentlemanJon]I understand from the reported leaks that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list of countries being blocked to prevent the US becoming subject to more terrorist attacks. Comedy gold Don.[/quote]
why would it be? they have a stable government, they are not involved in any wars besides intervening in syria and yemen against isis, and they have closed their borders to all refugees.
DaggerGentlemanJonI understand from the reported leaks that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list of countries being blocked to prevent the US becoming subject to more terrorist attacks. Comedy gold Don.
why would it be? they have a stable government, they are not involved in any wars besides intervening in syria and yemen against isis, and they have closed their borders to all refugees.
It's comedy gold because the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi based/backed and Saudi Arabia has a known agenda of promoting radical Wahhabism more so than any other of the listed countries when combined with the minuscule danger from middle eastern immigrants to Americans as listed above.
So really this is a political stunt with no actual substance or reason behind it.
Tl;DR Feels over reals
[quote=Dagger][quote=GentlemanJon]I understand from the reported leaks that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list of countries being blocked to prevent the US becoming subject to more terrorist attacks. Comedy gold Don.[/quote]
why would it be? they have a stable government, they are not involved in any wars besides intervening in syria and yemen against isis, and they have closed their borders to all refugees.[/quote]
It's comedy gold because the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi based/backed and Saudi Arabia has a known agenda of promoting radical Wahhabism more so than any other of the listed countries when combined with the minuscule danger from middle eastern immigrants to Americans as listed above.
So really this is a political stunt with no actual substance or reason behind it.
Tl;DR Feels over reals
AvastDaggerGentlemanJonI understand from the reported leaks that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list of countries being blocked to prevent the US becoming subject to more terrorist attacks. Comedy gold Don.
why would it be? they have a stable government, they are not involved in any wars besides intervening in syria and yemen against isis, and they have closed their borders to all refugees.
It's comedy gold because the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi based/backed and Saudi Arabia has a known agenda of promoting radical Wahhabism more so than any other of the listed countries when combined with the minuscule danger from middle eastern immigrants to Americans as listed above.
So really this is a political stunt with no actual substance or reason behind it.
Tl;DR Feels over reals
I think it's mostly because theirs no way to check if a refugee from syria is a member of isis or not, seeing as they likely have no form of ID
[quote=Avast][quote=Dagger][quote=GentlemanJon]I understand from the reported leaks that Saudi Arabia isn't on the list of countries being blocked to prevent the US becoming subject to more terrorist attacks. Comedy gold Don.[/quote]
why would it be? they have a stable government, they are not involved in any wars besides intervening in syria and yemen against isis, and they have closed their borders to all refugees.[/quote]
It's comedy gold because the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi based/backed and Saudi Arabia has a known agenda of promoting radical Wahhabism more so than any other of the listed countries when combined with the minuscule danger from middle eastern immigrants to Americans as listed above.
So really this is a political stunt with no actual substance or reason behind it.
Tl;DR Feels over reals[/quote]
I think it's mostly because theirs no way to check if a refugee from syria is a member of isis or not, seeing as they likely have no form of ID
Yeah usually migrants from stable countries just carry their membership cards for their various extremist organizations around with them.
Yeah usually migrants from stable countries just carry their membership cards for their various extremist organizations around with them.
Nub_Danishfen_cant wait to not see my family for an extended duration of time god bless
why not go to Lebanon to see them?
I'm 100% Syrian. My parents are 100% syrian. My grandpa that I havent seen for 6 years(aka when the war has started) was applying for a visa at that time. At this point even if his visa gets accepted it won't matter. My grandma has a green card here that is legal yet I fear that they would nullify it or something because of this act.
My parents visited our family by traveling to Lebanon and having someone pick them up from the airport in Beirut, but I think that even if they or I did now we would be heavily questioned on our flight back from a Mid-East country, especially with the government knowing that my parents are both immigrants from Syria.
Those are my main concerns with this executive order and I just have wanted this idiotic war to have never existed, I visited my family every summer and Syria was my second home, it's a fair bit of who I am, and now more of that may be ruined.
[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=fen_]cant wait to not see my family for an extended duration of time god bless[/quote]
why not go to Lebanon to see them?[/quote]
I'm 100% Syrian. My parents are 100% syrian. My grandpa that I havent seen for 6 years(aka when the war has started) was applying for a visa at that time. At this point even if his visa gets accepted it won't matter. My grandma has a green card here that is legal yet I fear that they would nullify it or something because of this act.
My parents visited our family by traveling to Lebanon and having someone pick them up from the airport in Beirut, but I think that even if they or I did now we would be heavily questioned on our flight back from a Mid-East country, especially with the government knowing that my parents are both immigrants from Syria.
Those are my main concerns with this executive order and I just have wanted this idiotic war to have never existed, I visited my family every summer and Syria was my second home, it's a fair bit of who I am, and now more of that may be ruined.
AvastYeah usually migrants from stable countries just carry their membership cards for their various extremist organizations around with them.
Like this poor guy who is probably really down on himself because no special skills at all and no security deposit. wtf
[quote=Avast]Yeah usually migrants from stable countries just carry their membership cards for their various extremist organizations around with them.[/quote]
[url=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/10/22/320DB86700000578-3486484-Junaid_Hussain_s_registration_documents-m-43_1457648104487.jpg]Like this poor guy[/url] who is probably really down on himself because no special skills at all and no security deposit. wtf