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give us an explanation on why you think that

reminder that this guy killed more people than Hitler, only to be beaten by Mao. Its weird and disgusting communism isn't viewed with the same disgust nazism has; since they are two heads of the same authoritarian hydra.

But, as though stricken dumb on the islands of the Archipelago, they kept their silence.

By an unexpected turn of our history, a bit of the truth, an insignificant part of the whole, was
allowed out in the open. But those same hands which once screwed tight our handcuffs now hold out
their palms in reconciliation: "No, don't! Don't dig up the past! Dwell on the past and you'll lose an
eye."

But the proverb goes on to say: "Forget the past and you'll lose both eyes."

He's right, you know.

http://i.imgur.com/JQAT8Cj.jpg

i mean if ur embracing nazism that probably means ur embracing the racism and racial superiority stuff
most "communists" even if they're misguided probably aren't trying to put down entire races

i alwayus though this one was funny

https://i.redd.it/ou9w315bij7x.jpg

you mean the forced relocations, death marches and pogroms of Kossacks, Turkmen, Jews, Tatars, and various other ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union didn't had any racial element to them? What about sending the lowerclass of your own country into the baltic states and the other satellite states surrounding russia to create ethnic conflict and keep the locals down, that had no racist element in them?

https://youtu.be/xZ7YlgzW1jQ

those weren't inherent to communism though (at least i don't think so)

"on paper it looks great" means in theory it works well
in theory it doesn't work because we know humans are not like that

they are both authoritarian rule where the government controls the means of production decides income and distribution of resources
the only difference is that fascism doesn't try to hide that the people who benefit most from it are the people in power

read "red racisms" , the Roma-policy in eastern Europe, the treatment of blacks in Cuba and the attitude of Che Guevara in his invasion of Angola "The negro, is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent." racism isn't an inherent part of the political theory, in marx's works (but it sure does in Trotsky and Maos thoughts and actions) but in practice, racism will always find its way in any existing conflict, because it helps with identifying the "foe" and at the same time dehumanizes them in some way, so you wouldn't treat them as peers. there is no difference between the SS and the NKVD and many died in the atrocities they committed and blamed each other.

ofc kids are gonna get told the headlines of communism and think its great, but as soon as they turn 15 and do any kind of soviet history theyll realise how dumb it is

the amount of university students who favor communism and Marxist socialism over capitalism shows that to be untrue

You say that, I think you mostly mean Liberal Arts students.

Real talk though, this kid isn't uneducated, motherfucker knows his Dr. Seuss backwards

capitalism kills like 1 stalin's worth of people every year, to be fair

Wow, this thread got dumpstered :c FeelsBadMan

how

@jduff No, marx was 100% a Communist I mean it doesn't get more obvious than this:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto I mean he named the book the Communist Manifesto.

It doesn't get much more Communist than that.

Also the "Stalin Kill kertrillions of people" thing is completely not factual. The only historians that even acknowledge those claims base their evidence on CIA "documents" that nobody has really ever seen that were obtained through second hand channels that were anti-Soviet to begin with.

The Soviet Union itself (Khrushchev), and later Russia itself (Yeltsin) - which doesn't/didn't have *that* much skin in the game to protect somebody like Stalin, never put the number over 2 million. We'll likely never know the exact number - but the absolutely stupendous claims of Robert Conquest and Co. are just simply impossible unless every living Soviet woman later popped out 8+ kids. That's not to say I, in anyway, agree with that process - but the USSR, and its history, is *extremely* complicated. It's likely that similar things (perhaps on a greater or lesser scale) would've occurred regardless of the government or who was in charge of it. You don't have a society where mass killings are possible just pop out of thin air or because of the will of a singular person.

I should also note it would've been far worse with Trotsky - since he essentially envisioned turning the USSR into a giant armed camp subject to military discipline.

Marxist, are you actually a communist?

I've never found a Party that I really fit into, so some people would really disagree with my saying this lol, but yes, I do consider myself a Communist.

I'd like to submit for the consideration of all communists and communist-leaning individuals in this thread a critique of the central concept of marxism as a whole
https://mises.org/library/eugen-von-boehm-bawerks-critique-karl-marx
special thanks 2 toads_tf for persuading me not to swear at communists on the tftv while I'm shitfaced

you should have listened to me you fool

I was nice

Do you maybe have a transcript instead of a 39 meg forever long audio recording. At least then it would be fun to peruse - I enjoy people who generally don't have a very good understanding of Marx critiquing him lol.

I do not
and Marx did not have a very good understanding of Marx

RIP

i think its kinda silly to look at the communist states of the past to say it won't work when automation is going to be fucking shit up over the next few decades.

excellent conversation fellow intellectuals

just here to say that Lenin owns and we should all strive to be more like him