I'm on a break from work and back home and hella bored so I spent a bunch of time making up to date charts for ESEA 6's and UGC NA HL as far as team size goes over the course of each leagues history (I also did ETF2L HL which I'll link at the end). To cut to the chase here you all go:
ESEA Total Teams: http://imgur.com/EP0gYj5
ESEA Alive Teams (teams that played 12 matches or more, aka lasted to at least week 6): http://imgur.com/JGoTAPB
UGC NAHL Total Teams: http://imgur.com/5X1qEpa
UGC NAHL Alive Teams (week 6+): http://imgur.com/9Rrgrxr
ESEA 6s + UGC NAHL Total Team Time Overlap (similar dated seasons): http://imgur.com/17hMH2E
Of note is that both leagues tend to be mostly in sync as far as growing/falling goes, leading credence to the idea that neither league is really cannibalizing one another (alongside the high amount of examples of each league sharing talent with one another).
ETF2L HL Total Teams: http://imgur.com/UkDHHhd
Not sure how many people are curious about this here but I figure it was worth the share.
I'm on a break from work and back home and hella bored so I spent a bunch of time making up to date charts for ESEA 6's and UGC NA HL as far as team size goes over the course of each leagues history (I also did ETF2L HL which I'll link at the end). To cut to the chase here you all go:
ESEA Total Teams: http://imgur.com/EP0gYj5
ESEA Alive Teams (teams that played 12 matches or more, aka lasted to at least week 6): http://imgur.com/JGoTAPB
UGC NAHL Total Teams: http://imgur.com/5X1qEpa
UGC NAHL Alive Teams (week 6+): http://imgur.com/9Rrgrxr
ESEA 6s + UGC NAHL Total Team Time Overlap (similar dated seasons): http://imgur.com/17hMH2E
Of note is that both leagues tend to be mostly in sync as far as growing/falling goes, leading credence to the idea that neither league is really cannibalizing one another (alongside the high amount of examples of each league sharing talent with one another).
ETF2L HL Total Teams: http://imgur.com/UkDHHhd
Not sure how many people are curious about this here but I figure it was worth the share.
Also every Open season that had multiple conferences has very unbalanced death stats with one conference always having almost all the teams that die that season in it, leading to that conference having a much different skill balance than the other conference which has almost all of its teams live.
Conferences seem like a pretty bad idea with these amount of teams. I don't actually play 6s anymore or keep up with it too terribly much, so maybe that isn't the common belief but just from a statistical point of view I can't remotely see how this plays out very well. I can only imagine that one conference winds up being significantly easier to the other one.
Also every Open season that had multiple conferences has very unbalanced death stats with one conference always having almost all the teams that die that season in it, leading to that conference having a much different skill balance than the other conference which has almost all of its teams live.
Conferences seem like a pretty bad idea with these amount of teams. I don't actually play 6s anymore or keep up with it too terribly much, so maybe that isn't the common belief but just from a statistical point of view I can't remotely see how this plays out very well. I can only imagine that one conference winds up being significantly easier to the other one.
850 teams in season 0 of etf2l highlander???
850 teams in season 0 of etf2l highlander???
rocketslay850 teams in season 0 of etf2l highlander???
That was the ETF2L Highlander Challenge, biggest tournament TF2 ever had. 10,000+ some odd players.
[quote=rocketslay]850 teams in season 0 of etf2l highlander???[/quote]
That was the ETF2L Highlander Challenge, biggest tournament TF2 ever had. 10,000+ some odd players.
Strange that you did etf2l HL but not 6s given 6s is by far the larger of the 2 in etf2l.
rocketslay850 teams in season 0 of etf2l highlander???
That was the highlander challenge which was the first highlander event of etf2l.
Strange that you did etf2l HL but not 6s given 6s is by far the larger of the 2 in etf2l.
[quote=rocketslay]850 teams in season 0 of etf2l highlander???[/quote]
That was the highlander challenge which was the first highlander event of etf2l.
its amazing that you can tell exactly where the bitcoins happened
its amazing that you can tell exactly where the bitcoins happened
Moist_PenguinStrange that you did etf2l HL but not 6s given 6s is by far the larger of the 2 in etf2l.
rocketslay850 teams in season 0 of etf2l highlander???
That was the highlander challenge which was the first highlander event of etf2l.
I will do 6s at some point to compare with ESEA (I'm a bit exhausted at this point of numbers), I did HL first to compare with the NAHL scene as I was primarily a Highlander player who played his fair share of 6s (back when eMg was just starting its legacy) and I was mostly interested to see NA<->EU HL difference and the crossover of NA HL<->6s sizes.
[quote=Moist_Penguin]Strange that you did etf2l HL but not 6s given 6s is by far the larger of the 2 in etf2l.
[quote=rocketslay]850 teams in season 0 of etf2l highlander???[/quote]
That was the highlander challenge which was the first highlander event of etf2l.[/quote]
I will do 6s at some point to compare with ESEA (I'm a bit exhausted at this point of numbers), I did HL first to compare with the NAHL scene as I was primarily a Highlander player who played his fair share of 6s (back when eMg was just starting its legacy) and I was mostly interested to see NA<->EU HL difference and the crossover of NA HL<->6s sizes.
bleghfarecits amazing that you can tell exactly where the bitcoins happened
Actually this is what surprised me, the season immediately after the bitcoin scandal broke (It broke ~May 1st, 2013, Season 14 was May 13th, 2013 - Aug 25th, 2013) was the largest TF2 season ESEA ever had. Also coincided with the largest season UGC NAHL ever had.
Basically, that point of time can be pin pointed as the period where North America's competitive scene in general was at its peak population.
[quote=bleghfarec]its amazing that you can tell exactly where the bitcoins happened[/quote]
Actually this is what surprised me, the season immediately after the bitcoin scandal broke (It broke ~May 1st, 2013, Season 14 was May 13th, 2013 - Aug 25th, 2013) was the largest TF2 season ESEA ever had. Also coincided with the largest season UGC NAHL ever had.
Basically, that point of time can be pin pointed as the period where North America's competitive scene in general was at its peak population.
used to have a txt with 6s teams count for each season of etf2l but cant find it now :(
for some seasons the total number of teams and players was posted, it would probably be much easier for ETF2L admins to get that info
it also depends if you count disqualified or dropped teams
used to have a txt with 6s teams count for each season of etf2l but cant find it now :(
for some seasons the total number of teams and players was posted, it would probably be much easier for ETF2L admins to get that info
it also depends if you count disqualified or dropped teams
sageused to have a txt with 6s teams count for each season of etf2l but cant find it now :(
for some seasons the total number of teams and players was posted, it would probably be much easier for ETF2L admins to get that info
it also depends if you count disqualified or dropped teams
The number of teams + dropped team % is available on comp.tf
http://comp.tf/wiki/ETF2L
[quote=sage]used to have a txt with 6s teams count for each season of etf2l but cant find it now :(
for some seasons the total number of teams and players was posted, it would probably be much easier for ETF2L admins to get that info
it also depends if you count disqualified or dropped teams[/quote]
The number of teams + dropped team % is available on comp.tf
http://comp.tf/wiki/ETF2L
Moist_Penguinsageused to have a txt with 6s teams count for each season of etf2l but cant find it now :(
for some seasons the total number of teams and players was posted, it would probably be much easier for ETF2L admins to get that info
it also depends if you count disqualified or dropped teams
The number of teams + dropped team % is available on comp.tf
http://comp.tf/wiki/ETF2L
Some of the number differences in this for HL are because on the team page it listed several teams across the seasons as 0-0 but weren't greyed out, so I considered them as dead and not a participant but this seems to consider them a participant I think.
I wasn't sure if it was just missing stats and those teams actually participated or naw.
[quote=Moist_Penguin][quote=sage]used to have a txt with 6s teams count for each season of etf2l but cant find it now :(
for some seasons the total number of teams and players was posted, it would probably be much easier for ETF2L admins to get that info
it also depends if you count disqualified or dropped teams[/quote]
The number of teams + dropped team % is available on comp.tf
http://comp.tf/wiki/ETF2L[/quote]
Some of the number differences in this for HL are because on the team page it listed several teams across the seasons as 0-0 but weren't greyed out, so I considered them as dead and not a participant but this seems to consider them a participant I think.
I wasn't sure if it was just missing stats and those teams actually participated or naw.
More proof that HL is/was a major factor that kept TF2 from really making it as an esport. If HL did not exist and all those HL teams/players were playing 6's this game would have taken off in its prime.
Highlander is a joke. We are a split gaming community, have been since the start.
More proof that HL is/was a major factor that kept TF2 from really making it as an esport. If HL did not exist and all those HL teams/players were playing 6's this game would have taken off in its prime.
Highlander is a joke. We are a split gaming community, have been since the start.
Alright in my procrastination from studying I made the ozfortress season team totals.
I did total teams from owl1 - ozf18 (most recent season).
(Not including dropped teams - around 15-20%)
The spike in owl8 (nov/dec 2012) lines up roughly with ESEA S13 and ETF2L S13 which seems to be a high point worldwide.
http://imgur.com/a/wnTHy
Alright in my procrastination from studying I made the ozfortress season team totals.
I did total teams from owl1 - ozf18 (most recent season).
(Not including dropped teams - around 15-20%)
The spike in owl8 (nov/dec 2012) lines up roughly with ESEA S13 and ETF2L S13 which seems to be a high point worldwide.
http://imgur.com/a/wnTHy
i get this for ETF2L counting dropped teams http://imgur.com/a/RMeM2
Dropped teams are around 20% most seasons, the lowest being 12,5% dropped in S2 and highest being 32% in S9 (112 teams dropped) but its mostlybetween 16% and 22%
i get this for ETF2L counting dropped teams http://imgur.com/a/RMeM2
Dropped teams are around 20% most seasons, the lowest being 12,5% dropped in S2 and highest being 32% in S9 (112 teams dropped) but its mostlybetween 16% and 22%
Why did the numbers for ETF2L start to drop so quickly after S20?
Why did the numbers for ETF2L start to drop so quickly after S20?
Season 20 got was the season mastermind permzilla decided to dispose of divs.
Season 20 got was the season mastermind permzilla decided to dispose of divs.
CoYoTeSeason 20 got rid of divs.
It wasn't really a negative change that could cause this, right?
[quote=CoYoTe]Season 20 got rid of divs.[/quote]
It wasn't really a negative change that could cause this, right?
The biggest change I can think of for season 20 was that it was the season the tiers system was introduced.
Perhaps this can be considered Permzilla's most effective attempt to kill tf2.
The biggest change I can think of for season 20 was that it was the season the tiers system was introduced.
Perhaps this can be considered Permzilla's most effective attempt to kill tf2.
sorry for the bump but i finished the final one of these that i'm doing - ugc na 6s.
Total Teams: http://imgur.com/S5D5yAn
Teams that got 6+ wins: http://imgur.com/mGCWSXJ
Comparison of UGC NA 6s vs UGC NA HL: http://imgur.com/uIyt2jj
Comparison of ESEA 6s vs UGC NA 6s: http://imgur.com/DpuvQMP
sorry for the bump but i finished the final one of these that i'm doing - ugc na 6s.
Total Teams: http://imgur.com/S5D5yAn
Teams that got 6+ wins: http://imgur.com/mGCWSXJ
Comparison of UGC NA 6s vs UGC NA HL: http://imgur.com/uIyt2jj
Comparison of ESEA 6s vs UGC NA 6s: http://imgur.com/DpuvQMP
Can you look at player data? I was wondering if it's possible to compare player turnover as well as teams and raw counts. It would be interesting to see if the falling numbers are due to sources of new players being choked off or old players leaving in increasing amounts, or a combination of them and to what extent each is a factor.
Can you look at player data? I was wondering if it's possible to compare player turnover as well as teams and raw counts. It would be interesting to see if the falling numbers are due to sources of new players being choked off or old players leaving in increasing amounts, or a combination of them and to what extent each is a factor.