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The jetpack seems pretty stupid, should be banned in hl at least imo.

The mantreads are kind of cool, not sure if they should be banned or not but they are still fun to use.

I don't care how we decide to ban/unban items but can we NOT do a global voip meeting again?

The dds should be unbanned

can we do gloabl voip meeting round 2 moderated by our man MR SSLINDOGGG

seems to be too early to say. we're gonna do a pyro mix later on and see how it plays out though

the jetpack is really bad,no reason to ban it

vanilla tf2 + necessary unlocks

i like the way we play it in etf2l rightnow
can we keep it like that

unban everything except reserve shooter

http://whitelist.tf/7827

keep banning weapons, keep wondering why nobody watches tftv matches anymore

can we allow the jetpack for the fart taunt pls

it's like you came into this thread with the goal of writing the 11 most incorrect words possible.

can we not do a global voip meeting that was supposed to include everyone but had almost everyone muted AND no one was even looking at the chat in the discord....

If that new pyro rocket launcher is whitelisted I'm gonna be real disgruntled

We have published the ETF2L whitelist that is to be used for the remiander of the season. We will have another global whitelist meeting once all the current seasons have concluded.

http://etf2l.org/2017/10/21/new-etf2l-season-28-whitelist/

The global whitelist meetings in their current form are no longer a public affair, however we still are planning to document our decision making processes.

IMO there are only 3 pre pyro update weps that really need to be reconsidered: natascha, machina, and cow mangler. Banners I was iffy about in the preseason but it didnt look like a problem really in EU, although someone with more experience feel free to correct me.

nobody wants to see a 20 minute last hold with wrangler + rr engie and quick-fix med

banners are fine and anyone who says otherwise is a filthy scout main
machina is ok idk why people hate it

Well same but I would like it better if they removed weapons that don't add anything and are annoying. Like what does the cow mangler add appart from unlimited spam so you don't have to worry about ammo pack rotation and making the game look terrible.

Pretty sure there's a difference between banning the RR and wrangler and banning the hot hand

why not instead of doing the stupid tf2 illuminati meetings with all the heads and influential members from each region, how about we just take a poll that includes THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, so one unified poll that people in europe, north america, asia, and australia can all vote in

that way, when someone says “why can’t x be unbanned?”, instead of arguing about it we can just say “if the majority wanted it unbanned then it’d be unbanned” and if someone wants to complain about the results, then if they didn’t vote then they have no room to talk

there is zero reason for a small group of people to control how the whitelist for the entire competitive community works, especially since we’re already such a small community

if we were much larger like dota or csgo, then having a task force designated to establishing a whitelist would make sense

Of course, any changes to the whitelist should and will be made between seasons.

I think the cow mangler should probably be banned- it lets soldiers spam more which makes pushing some little bit more difficult. The fact it was buffed to get minicrits from kritzkrieg, lessening its weaknesses, makes its continued inclusion harder to justify.

Beyond that, I don't think we should ban any other currently whitelisted unlocks- although I do see fair arguments for banning the Natascha and Machina.

As for the pyro unlocks, I think we should have a lot of testing. We don't know yet whether pyro would be viable full time (or near full time) but I doubt it- I think giving teams the option to pull a wildcard out of the deck by using pyro in some ways the other team didn't expect might be cool... Or maybe it won't. We should give it an open-minded try.

edit: I think the danger shield and hot hand should be unbanned

I don't remember anyone saying that the hot hand should be kept banned.

whats a hot hand

its rather polarizing in the svs matchup, obviously not as bad as darwins pre nerf but enough that hl snipers felt that they had to switch to the wep as well (like the dds)

other reasons include lack of neglible downsides (tracers are lol and quickscopes are pretty much as good as noscopes, plus the bonus fact that you might hit a headshot on accident), encouraging lower skill plays through increased bodyshot damage(that one taps scouts unless theyre 100% on the beam, also shits on demos)

also penetration is dumb and ruins my 1 million iq medic bodyblock plays :(

ozfortress has also followed suit with the same changes made by ETF2L

https://warzone.ozfortress.com/forums/threads/27

no unlocks at all except gunboats, escape plan, pain train, kritz, and ubersaw