After seeing this thread I think most of the people doing this (idk about shoe) will stop doing this and try to help the community rather than bring it down and risk their rep again.

Only about half a dozen people on this forum will recognize me, I barely have one foot in the competitive scene and this is my first post on this forum. If you're the sort to dismiss someone's perspective based on their reputation alone, you can disregard the following.

I know a few of the people on this list and when I saw this I thought it was strange. I knew them as contributors to the tf2 community, their various projects helping new players learn to play. In fact everyone I had met that was on that list helped me on an individual basis, they were always patient and helpful. I thought them joining a group that stomps new players didn't make sense so I went and spoke to them individually. They all had different motivations for being a part of it, but it was clear there was no genuine malice and that they didn't realize quite what they were getting into. If you look up to these players or respect them I would recommend talking to them and getting their side of the story yourself before you make hasty judgments.

At the same time its human nature for bad news to spread like a fire and its blatantly obvious that shoe is holding the gasoline. It seems apparent to me that he couldn't attain a good reputation like the others on the list, so he's settled for a bad one at their expense. Right, wrong, or indifferent the reputation of the people on the list are going to get smeared by this. You guys are big boys and can make your own decisions, but like turkeys looking up mouth agape at a rainstorm, eventually you're going to drown for your stupidity.

I have never played on a team with any of those people. Maybe you are thinking of someone else?

It's only annoying being the leader of a Steel team and being asked by shoe multiple times to play, when I wasn't interested in playing a troll loadout team. If it was a legit pugscrim, fine. But not random loadout crap.

I'm just glad that teams that they scrimmed were mostly in the know, and no one got turned away from comp tf2 because of it.

i am surprised vhalin and Polk are not on the list. UGC doesn't do shit even if they were aliasing on an iron team. NLL did the same thing in season6 and yet here they are playing in the league again.

This has been beaten to death both here and on the UGC forums, but I'm going to break my habit of lurking just to make a quick comment.

Shoe just apologized publically on the UGC forums, and from what I can understand is going to cut out the NBK "scrims". While the sincerity of his apology can be called into question, I think that maybe we give him the benefit of the doubt, unless (or until) he proves us wrong. Most of the NBK group roster consists of players who I know, either personally or just through watching them play and talk. They are not, for the most part, bad people.

The harm from Shoe's and NBK's actions have already been done. It's time to look forward, and focus on repairing that damaged image :)

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Removed

why do I even play HL

sub open drama

so like

a bunch of bad players boosted their ego by raping pubbers?

it's funny looking back 2 years later and literally every single one of those kids is no-name trash

I blame Americas education system, so much stupidity in one place is unfathomable

thanks for bumping this shithole of a thread

Can't we just remove this thread? Makes the whole community look fucking terrible.

It really isn't that big of a deal...

This is why what happens on the UGC forums, stays on the UGC forums.

brump

now this is nostalgia holy shit

ok but real talk where's Potato 69 now