Hey lads, it's that guy ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've had this idea for a while, but I figure I'd officially propose it here.
Almost every big game that warrants it regularly features some sort of best frag or best plays video, much more frequently than we do. We've had the commft top 10, but obviously it's run into some difficulties as:
1.) it's become less frequent, and is released too far after the fact.
2.) the quality of frags has slipped, both in terms of the frags themselves out of context and the level of the players in them.
I want to make it clear that I have the utmost respect for eXtine and eXtv and don't really think they're at fault for either of these problems. The former problem is more because of the giant workload those two have, that makes each project more difficult to accomplish (especially when other projects with stricter deadlines must take precedence, e.g. live casts and eXtravision). The latter is obviously a fault of the community, and the lack of incentive to submit footage.
Recently, I've seen two top 10 series, plus two other videos, that have inspired me to find a solution to this problem.
The first is the French top 10, a monthly series that highlights the best plays from French (and Belgian lololol) players, commentated by Luzzu and Pognon (two well-known, roughly div 1 level EU players).
Here's the most recent example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb16XwNh1Rw
Now, I'm not suggesting this is the perfect model to emulate. The video still came out at the end of July despite being about April and May. However, by narrowing the frags to the close-knit French community, the quality of submissions was actually higher, because of the increased pressure for every player to submit their frags.
The second is the top 10 plays of ESEA-I for 1.6 and CSS that eseanews puts out every week, corresponding to a particular map in the season.
A recent example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5PuUjNbNbo&feature=context-gfa
Other than the obvious fact that this isn't TF2, I think this series is the best possible example of what I'm goin' for. It's professionally edited, it comes out frequently and on a regular schedule, and all the frags are great and are from high-level players. Hell, I don't even like CS, and these vids are great!
Besides those two series, the videos that inspired me the most were Beater's stv watching nerd compilations, which said "fuck it, I'll do it myself!", and Prem by CUBE, which showed just how easy it was to get frags from the top level of competition if you focused exclusively on that goal.
But, I'm rambling. To go back to my original point, I'd like to create an top 10 plays of the week for ESEA-I, and host it on teamfortress.tv. I was thinking that, by the time other content (such as demo reviews, instructional videos, cast vods, the podcast w/ sal and cbear) becomes available on tf.tv, more tabs will need to exist alongside "articles", "streams" and such. If one of them were "videos", these could be under that, with either embedded youtube videos or tf.tv-exclusive vids holding the content. I might start by making a pilot via looking through stvs from esea, but ideally I could have one player from each invite team be the "representative" of their team, and gather pov demos and ticks each week. On behalf of the individual player, you'd only have to watch 2 of your own demos a week, something most people would probably do anyways. I think that, rather than getting less content because of the narrowing of scope, this initiative will produce an impetus on players to send in their stuff, because the burden is more greatly on them.
(cont'd below)
Hey lads, it's that guy ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've had this idea for a while, but I figure I'd officially propose it here.
Almost every big game that warrants it regularly features some sort of best frag or best plays video, much more frequently than we do. We've had the commft top 10, but obviously it's run into some difficulties as:
1.) it's become less frequent, and is released too far after the fact.
2.) the quality of frags has slipped, both in terms of the frags themselves out of context and the level of the players in them.
I want to make it clear that I have the utmost respect for eXtine and eXtv and don't really think they're at fault for either of these problems. The former problem is more because of the giant workload those two have, that makes each project more difficult to accomplish (especially when other projects with stricter deadlines must take precedence, e.g. live casts and eXtravision). The latter is obviously a fault of the community, and the lack of incentive to submit footage.
Recently, I've seen two top 10 series, plus two other videos, that have inspired me to find a solution to this problem.
The first is the French top 10, a monthly series that highlights the best plays from French (and Belgian lololol) players, commentated by Luzzu and Pognon (two well-known, roughly div 1 level EU players).
Here's the most recent example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb16XwNh1Rw
Now, I'm not suggesting this is the perfect model to emulate. The video still came out at the end of July despite being about April and May. However, by narrowing the frags to the close-knit French community, the quality of submissions was actually higher, because of the increased pressure for every player to submit their frags.
The second is the top 10 plays of ESEA-I for 1.6 and CSS that eseanews puts out every week, corresponding to a particular map in the season.
A recent example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5PuUjNbNbo&feature=context-gfa
Other than the obvious fact that this isn't TF2, I think this series is the best possible example of what I'm goin' for. It's professionally edited, it comes out frequently and on a regular schedule, and all the frags are great and are from high-level players. Hell, I don't even like CS, and these vids are great!
Besides those two series, the videos that inspired me the most were Beater's stv watching nerd compilations, which said "fuck it, I'll do it myself!", and Prem by CUBE, which showed just how easy it was to get frags from the top level of competition if you focused exclusively on that goal.
But, I'm rambling. To go back to my original point, I'd like to create an top 10 plays of the week for ESEA-I, and host it on teamfortress.tv. I was thinking that, by the time other content (such as demo reviews, instructional videos, cast vods, the podcast w/ sal and cbear) becomes available on tf.tv, more tabs will need to exist alongside "articles", "streams" and such. If one of them were "videos", these could be under that, with either embedded youtube videos or tf.tv-exclusive vids holding the content. I might start by making a pilot via looking through stvs from esea, but ideally I could have one player from each invite team be the "representative" of their team, and gather pov demos and ticks each week. On behalf of the individual player, you'd only have to watch 2 of your own demos a week, something most people would probably do anyways. I think that, rather than getting less content because of the narrowing of scope, this initiative will produce an impetus on players to send in their stuff, because the burden is more greatly on them.
(cont'd below)
I'd also need a solid editor or multiple solid editors. I could amass/sort the clips and commentate myself, but I definitely don't have the necessary editing skills to pull something like this off. I have no idea if, like an article writer like djc, any compensation from tf.tv would go into something like this, but I'd be happy to give as much of that as requested (even all of it) to the editor. After all, they'd be doing all of the really difficult work. Every week I could take a look at all the previous week's footage, commentate it, and send a recording to the editor, and they could post-produce it and post it on either an official tf.tv youtube channel, or onto here.
So, that's my proposal. Thoughts? Ideas? I'd love to hear what you guys think.
I'd also need a solid editor or multiple solid editors. I could amass/sort the clips and commentate myself, but I definitely don't have the necessary editing skills to pull something like this off. I have no idea if, like an article writer like djc, any compensation from tf.tv would go into something like this, but I'd be happy to give as much of that as requested (even all of it) to the editor. After all, they'd be doing all of the really difficult work. Every week I could take a look at all the previous week's footage, commentate it, and send a recording to the editor, and they could post-produce it and post it on either an official tf.tv youtube channel, or onto here.
So, that's my proposal. Thoughts? Ideas? I'd love to hear what you guys think.
Oh, one more thing.
If you're a sick editor and want to work on something like this, add me!
http://steamcommunity.com/id/mustardoverlord
Oh, one more thing.
If you're a sick editor and want to work on something like this, add me!
http://steamcommunity.com/id/mustardoverlord
You should make it top 5 plays instead of top 10 imo
You should make it top 5 plays instead of top 10 imo
Do you feel that way because it's more palatable for the viewer, or because it would make it easier to make one weekly?
If it's the former, that's valid. If it's the latter, I'd still like to try 10, and reduce it to 5 if that proves too difficult (or possibly start to 5 and increase to 10 when it feels possible, I dunno man!).
Do you feel that way because it's more palatable for the viewer, or because it would make it easier to make one weekly?
If it's the former, that's valid. If it's the latter, I'd still like to try 10, and reduce it to 5 if that proves too difficult (or possibly start to 5 and increase to 10 when it feels possible, I dunno man!).
I think, if you're doing it weekly it should be top5. Also making it top5 makes it sort of more prestigious.
I think, if you're doing it weekly it should be top5. Also making it top5 makes it sort of more prestigious.
You should maybe do a top 5 to get the ball rolling and gather interest. otherwise you/others might get burnt out by putting a ton of work into the first one but then you realize you have to maintain that quality every week
You should maybe do a top 5 to get the ball rolling and gather interest. otherwise you/others might get burnt out by putting a ton of work into the first one but then you realize you have to maintain that quality every week
Also with top 10 you might end up having to use some clips that aren't very exciting to watch. Especially if not all the teams are active about sending you clips.
Also with top 10 you might end up having to use some clips that aren't very exciting to watch. Especially if not all the teams are active about sending you clips.
stultusYou should make it top 5 plays instead of top 10 imo
not on topic.
You should bring your girls threads to this place, those threads are the only things that makes me go there every once in a while
On topic: http://www.vanillatf2.org/2012/09/iksd-top-5-plays-returns-edited-by-sin-and-hosted-by-pledge/ pledge made one for euros just now
[quote=stultus]You should make it top 5 plays instead of top 10 imo[/quote]
not on topic.
You should bring your girls threads to this place, those threads are the only things that makes me go there every once in a while
On topic: http://www.vanillatf2.org/2012/09/iksd-top-5-plays-returns-edited-by-sin-and-hosted-by-pledge/ pledge made one for euros just now
could make it Top 5 moments, gives you a little wiggle room so it doesn't always have to be a play, it could be something that happened over the week.
i.e. an upset with 3 short clips that show what happened
could make it Top 5 [b]moments[/b], gives you a little wiggle room so it doesn't always have to be a play, it could be something that happened over the week.
i.e. an upset with 3 short clips that show what happened
I thought stultus made the best suggestion yet
I thought stultus made the best suggestion yet
if this happens please keep it relatively simple like the push gaming top 10s from whenever ago
(not saying simple means any small operation, just editing wise)
if this happens please keep it relatively simple like the push gaming top 10s from whenever ago
(not saying simple means any small operation, just editing wise)
This is a really great idea, since the CommFT top 10 was one of the things that actually got me into the competitive scene, I think that this would be great. I understand that the COMMUNITY Fortress one wanted to showcase the community, but I always wanted plays from the highest level of TF2. Agreed with stultus though, editing 10 clips could be a lot of work and 5 just seems more manageable altogether.
This is a really great idea, since the CommFT top 10 was one of the things that actually got me into the competitive scene, I think that this would be great. I understand that the COMMUNITY Fortress one wanted to showcase the community, but I always wanted plays from the highest level of TF2. Agreed with stultus though, editing 10 clips could be a lot of work and 5 just seems more manageable altogether.
Does TeamFortress.TV have a youtube channel? Considering we are trying to base everything off this site, it would seem fitting that something like this would get uploaded to it, as well as a video form of weekly news, and maybe that new podcast.
Does TeamFortress.TV have a youtube channel? Considering we are trying to base everything off this site, it would seem fitting that something like this would get uploaded to it, as well as a video form of weekly news, and maybe that new podcast.
Also this just got posted http://www.vanillatf2.org/2012/09/iksd-top-5-plays-returns-edited-by-sin-and-hosted-by-pledge/
I absolutely love the commentators on the first one, and that demoman... Damn...
I absolutely love the commentators on the first one, and that demoman... Damn...
cocoonI absolutely love the commentators on the first one, and that demoman... Damn...
Number 1 of that french top 10 is amazing, never seen a practical use for the air-stickyjump until this.
[quote=cocoon]I absolutely love the commentators on the first one, and that demoman... Damn...[/quote]
Number 1 of that french top 10 is amazing, never seen a practical use for the air-stickyjump until this.
first editor confirmed: the legendary DECAP!
also, we might try making a top 10 plays of the month for invite first, just to keep a realistic goal and make sure the quality is good
first editor confirmed: the legendary DECAP!
also, we might try making a top 10 plays of the month for invite first, just to keep a realistic goal and make sure the quality is good
good idea just dont let kirby anywhere near this
good idea just dont let kirby anywhere near this
potgood idea just dont let kirby anywhere near this
regardless of what you think of kirby as an editor, him and me do not get along at all so unless I unload this project on someone else that most likely will not happen
[quote=pot]good idea just dont let kirby anywhere near this[/quote]
regardless of what you think of kirby as an editor, him and me do not get along at all so unless I unload this project on someone else that most likely will not happen
I think a top 5 plays of the week under teamfortress.tv (and a channel dedicated to the series) is the best option, although it would require more work than a monthly production.
I think a top 5 plays of the week under teamfortress.tv (and a channel dedicated to the series) is the best option, although it would require more work than a monthly production.
My 2c.... I'd prefer a weekly/biweekly highlight reel over a 'top 5'. Editing could be simple. An intro, and start rolling clips to music. I'd rather see a collection of great frags to mediocre editing than a countdown of an arbitrary top #. No commentating imo.
Thinking along the lines of those couple experiment highlights vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDYX8g-vWU0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSaZpExxAnQ
My 2c.... I'd prefer a weekly/biweekly highlight reel over a 'top 5'. Editing could be simple. An intro, and start rolling clips to music. I'd rather see a collection of great frags to mediocre editing than a countdown of an arbitrary top #. No commentating imo.
Thinking along the lines of those couple experiment highlights vids.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDYX8g-vWU0[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSaZpExxAnQ
OafmealThinking along the lines of those couple experiment highlights vids.
Except don't edit it to that point where you need to turn up your brightness to see anything and no stupid death explosions.
[quote=Oafmeal]Thinking along the lines of those couple experiment highlights vids.[/quote]
Except don't edit it to that point where you need to turn up your brightness to see anything and no stupid death explosions.
^ Well spoken, sir.
Dunno why the fuck I bumped this... It's an old dead thread, and I had a buncha windows open. Go here,
http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/3931-esea-videos-thingy
^ Well spoken, sir.
Dunno why the fuck I bumped this... It's an old dead thread, and I had a buncha windows open. Go here,
http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/3931-esea-videos-thingy
I think top 10 is a bit much, mostly because there aren't even 10 teams - a top 5 will ensure there aren't any clips that are thrown in as filler. Good plan though, hope it doesn't diiiie.
I think top 10 is a bit much, mostly because there aren't even 10 teams - a top 5 will ensure there aren't any clips that are thrown in as filler. Good plan though, hope it doesn't diiiie.
synchroI think top 10 is a bit much, mostly because there aren't even 10 teams - a top 5 will ensure there aren't any clips that are thrown in as filler. Good plan though, hope it doesn't diiiie.
I don't think it would be just for invite, I think it would include IM and possibly open as well?
[quote=synchro]I think top 10 is a bit much, mostly because there aren't even 10 teams - a top 5 will ensure there aren't any clips that are thrown in as filler. Good plan though, hope it doesn't diiiie.[/quote]
I don't think it would be just for invite, I think it would include IM and possibly open as well?
dflamesynchroI think top 10 is a bit much, mostly because there aren't even 10 teams - a top 5 will ensure there aren't any clips that are thrown in as filler. Good plan though, hope it doesn't diiiie.
I don't think it would be just for invite, I think it would include IM and possibly open as well?
It should definitely be from only invite, MAYBE the top of IM. The reason that the CommFT Top 10 got boring is because the players were low caliber. People want to see names they know in these top 10s.
[quote=dflame][quote=synchro]I think top 10 is a bit much, mostly because there aren't even 10 teams - a top 5 will ensure there aren't any clips that are thrown in as filler. Good plan though, hope it doesn't diiiie.[/quote]
I don't think it would be just for invite, I think it would include IM and possibly open as well?[/quote]
It should definitely be from only invite, MAYBE the [b]top[/b] of IM. The reason that the CommFT Top 10 got boring is because the players were low caliber. People want to see names they know in these top 10s.