I agree with botmode on this, keeping the conversation going shows that this is something that is 1) okay to talk about and 2) something that needs to be talked about. Everything has gone under the radar due to the lack of conversations about this and I worry that if the conversation ends here, everything will return to what it was before.

the whole thing imploded from "jokes" made in bad taste and you decide to fight it with just that?

as the social media manager of tf2pl you should know way better, and your apology is not sincere but because of the backlash. Very unprofessional

someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude

pretty sure that's not a real quote i think i looked it up before

yea thats what you get if you let other people have power over the word and deem its unusable, if you call your bf a cute faggot, it's obviously not homophobic but it still would get word filtered

"im gay therefore i can get to make gay jokes, so piss off ya straight wanker"

I am referencing the fact that I posted it in the other thread, even if it's not a certified (insert famous philosopher here) quote it's still a really valid one.

So before this thread turns into a "Fuck Doomsday for saying gay and insulting comp players" thread:

Are people agreed on that professionalism in competitive TF2 should be something that should be endorsed/enforced?

At the risk of being insulted myself
He's gay and he's calling himself gay, and he used no slurs, just the word "gay". What's the problem?

someone uh
I DONT GIVE A FUCK LOL

It’s not professional it’s just being a decent human being man

after page 5 of the last thread, everything to be said had been said. Not really a need for this is there

Pred and degu 100% need to be banned and held accountable for their actions.
The idea that etf2l doesn’t need to anything about it since the whole ordeal went down through Twitter is completely wrong. Everywhere in real life you are held accountable for what you say outside of that place. If a top athlete says a racist remark on instagram they ARE punished for it in their sport. So it makes no sense as to why we shouldn’t do the same

Our statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/

Thank you. I'm happy to hear that ETF2L has this stance on the matter and that they are willing to improve the atmosphere within the community.

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Thank you so much for this. The tf2 community can, and hopefully will, become a place where all people feel welcome.

This is a good idea. Thank you.

The first thread was locked for a reason, I feel like posts on this thread are just gonna be repeats of what's already been said, don't be a shitty person.

I think this thread is fine so long it is a discussion on how to move forward. I find it rather obnoxious and unproductive when people are inserting themselves into this thread as trolls or heroes. It doesn't matter who the good guy or bad guy is, this should be about disallowing unacceptable behavior and attitudes. People can have their hateful worldviews but it shouldn't be acceptable for it to bleed onto everyone else wherever they go. Further, things are not so black and white. No one is perfect nor absolute scum, the way people express themselves might come off as one or the other but it's simply not the reality. You can't change other people, but you can limit their behavior in places where you have the authority.

Thankfully, through all of this, many sites seem to be announcing rules and hopefully they will be enforcing them. The best action moving forward is to make sure the rules are fair and enforced.

this is stupid lol

I could never understand why someone would be so mean and cruel to such a sweetheart like Uberchain :(

so anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought

so anyway how bout u dont use slurs and be a normal person if u dont like to be banned from leagues idk just a thought

It amazes me that people are still saying things like this through a combined 526 posts of this thread.

Here are my 2 cents on the matter:
I hate the fact that people can't just not...you know...be assholes? I don't get it.
But I don't want them to be beaten up IRL for this. I know, Pred and Degu were being actual asshats in this case, but if we threaten them, we're stooping down to their level.
I don't hate them as human beings, nor am I excusing this behavior (hell no). I personally want to see them apologize so that this can blow over.
Good job to Uberchain for everything, in all honesty. You have my respect.
To Pred and Degu:
Say goodbye to your V-Bucks.

Don't agree with harrassing people but literally all degu did was post this image

in reply to uberchain's tweet, is that seriously worth a 2 month ban?

people who say things like this have read at most 2 of said posts though

As a dismissive response to uberchain finally having built up the courage to speak out about a long-drawn series of issues regarding harassment and sexual abuse while at the same time endorsing Pred's ridiculous comment?

I think it is, and those on the ETF2L staff think so too it seems.

because pressing the mute button unharasses you instantly. It reverses time! it also magically turns the racists/homophobes/transphobes into normal people and a unicorn will make you a healthy fruit smoothie. You are smart! The existence of the mute button takes away the need for consequences for one's actions!

Nice