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Sheepy, please do not, I repeat, do not ever disclose your internet alias in real life.

Spycicle is literally useless in 6s, even if it was allowed its use would be nearing 0% since virtually no team runs a full time pyro. That and spy is a situational class whose aim is to get clutch picks through backstabs mainly, if you're getting caught with a spycicle by a pyro you become literally useless.

There are 3 possible reasons why weapons might be banned in competitive leagues:
#1: They have completely flawed mechanics, interactions or gamebreaking bugs that have no place in a competitive setting. (ie: pomsom)
#2: They have overpowered attributes, thus giving an unfair advantage in a competitive setting. (ie: GRU in 6s)
#3: They are completely irrelevant or useless in a specific competitive setting, thus banned to keep things as simple and straightforward as possible (ie: spycicle in 6s)

The only reason you can argue is #3, there are quite a few weapons that fit that criteria I reckon, but even then, if you are willing to discuss that reasoning then you are clearly not invested in competitive tf2 because weapons banned in that situation aren't preventing you from improving as a player or enjoying the game in a competitive setting.

With a scene as active as tf2 I can only think of quake but even then, quake live can be considered a different game, and it was released after tf2 iirc. Maybe W: Enemy Territory? But the scene is pretty much dead.

Yeah the reason tf2 is not popular is totally weapon bans fault dude, it's totally not because it lacks a 10 Million dollar official sponsored tournament, or in-game matchmaking or actual dev support.

It all comes down to not being able to use the Phlog like u do in pubs and make those fantastic and totally skilled plays with it. Thats the thing that has prevented tf2 from making it big all these years, why did we never think of that

Not to be pedantic but since when is this forum mainly a 6v6 thing??? It says right there in the header, Teamfortress.tv: the home of competitive TF2, we might not have a lot of HL players and etc here (maybe because they prefer other forums) but that doesn't demerit the discussion of other competitive gamemodes other than 6v6 here, or at least it shouldn't in my opinion, you just hosted a ultiduo tourney (which is another competitive gamemode) so you should know better.

This is of course disregarding the fact that A:R is completely awful.

Overwatch is overhyped and overmarketed, just look at star_ latest videos and twitter posts it pretty much screams "OMG I've never played this game but its so much better than tf2 already, blizzard totally didnt pay me to promote it"

That being said I'm a sucker for any class based fps and the game concept looks cool, , but fuck the haters, tf2 has airshots and thats all I need.

she will also call you a cute boy if you tell her her arrows are good.

tell that to the russian guy who rushed ethereal blade on sand king and went 1-15 without buying any courier or ward on my ranked dota game

decent collection but missing a lot of stuff and a lot of eu drama

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my biggest mistake was to come onto this thread with a peanut butter sandwich on my hand

I completely agree with you, having something at stake is better than having nothing (or next to nothing) at stake. Yet I think that has little relevance in a community like tf2, especially in Europe where you don't have that culture of p2p.

I really don't want to extend the off topic too long in this thread but I really need to adress this.
It's really unfair to compare epsilon from i46 and i52 to i49, it has nothing to do with the league competitiveness, i46 epsilon took a semi inactive demo (extremer) to lan, he was an oldschool demo who was a bit rusty from what I remember and never performed up to par at lan, also schocky and walters was the dream scout pair in europe for a lot of seasons at the time and walters couldn't go to lan for i46 and shintaz ringed for him, he had not played at prem level for 4 seasons at the time and he didn't really perform up to expectations or even near that. As for i52 Epsilon, they lost numlocked earlier that year who was arguably one of the best demos and callers to ever play in europe. Also they played without schocky who is the best player in etf2l history tied with mike, and for me the most exciting scout to ever grace this game, and GeaR who for me is the best roamer gamesense wise to ever play the game. So in short, i46 epsilon had 2 underperforming and rusty players and i52 epsilon was a completely different team totally deprived of the big brains like numlocked, gear and schocky.

As for i49 epsilon, it remains for me one of the most all around tf2 teams in history, every player at the time was the top performing player at that class in etf2l history and it absolutely wrecked any competition that year, if u ever wanna compare any all star team in NA u will have to compare it to i49 epsilon, it was the best team in european tf2 bar none. Gear and mike as the solly duo, schocky and bash(in form) as the scout pair and numlocked as demo and knoxxx as medic and caller is pretty hard to surpass. And etf2l being a free to play league is completely irrelevant to epsilon performance in the i-series as it was a product of various circumstances at the time.

Dude, if you're not trolling this sounds like a cry for help. Either way, I think you are exposing yourself too much and if you're really not trolling you should seek professional help.

Do you actually believe if UGC wasn't around some other free league wouldn't emerge? As in, do you actually believe people would be content with their only option of competitive tf2 being pay to play?

I think that's a very naive view on things. A free league is bound to exist for a free to play game with a huge community like tf2 especially with esea having shown so many flaws and shortcomings in recent years. Might as well embrace it and accept it instead of bashing it.

I know we have many cultural differences between EU and NA but I really can't understand how someone would be ok with the only option being a paid one, no matter how good the paid one would be.