Ambushing is usually the moment where the DF annihilates players. This would not be an issue if aiming with it was so easy. It does enough damage to kill even Heavy with few shots, so ambushing Pyro can kill even Soldier without him being able to react

Airblasting penalty or secondary delay won't come to play because of reasons I just showed, and really are not a proper drawback imo

DF projectile is different from old flames, so I don't think we can compare them (even new flames are broken since you don't need to track properly in order to do good damage)

Which won't matter because hitting them is easy in melee range

Funhaver posted an image which explained my point well.

DF's damage output is enough to make secondaries irrelevant.

The original point was that hitboxes /flame particles makes it easy to aim, and you can spam it with only basic knowledge of aiming.

Fast firerate makes up missing shots, and since you can use it in melee/close range, missing shots won't be an issue.

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Hardly an issue related to hitboxes which will register if just one flame particle hits.

This also's not an issue related to it. Secondary rarely comes to play in DF ambushes.

Expect that you cannot spam it in melee/close range with no self damage, and with faster firerate.

I never said so.

From my experience minis never were that good to do so.
Tho you brought good point how different current pub game is from comp, and how it has divided playerbases. Valve should do something to minimize these differences.

I think Engie's default arsenal minus wrench (shotgun and pistol aim) and Pyro's DF (projectile aim) could work in transferring skill, tho they both need some reworking, especially DF.

DF needs smaller hitbox before we allow it IMO

I rather want some nerfs instead of ban, since Sniper has always brought intension and great plays to the game.

Engineer should not be full time viable, I agree, and I don't think minis are as annoying as people say.

Ye I think Heavy and Spy are fine, Pyro and Sniper are little problematic, but they've been so everywhere since their existence.
However I've always wanted Valve to focus more on Gunslinger, and turn Engie more into support rather than defender, since Heavy already exist.

Or do you think they should be changed to make them more viable in 6s?

tbf I've been messing around those Forums, so the reaction wasn't surprising.
Still it's stupid to not read thread and yet accuse of bait. They even admitted that they did not watch the video lol

Here's a response from Steam forums when I decided to spread the awareness regarding the Pyro's issues.

It's because of unintended flame issue why we're discussing Pyro right now.

Good, we really don't care about some drama betwee you and him.

There's a video which explains the Pyro situation pretty well.

It's still the fact that current flames work unintended and do not require proper tracking as Valve originally intended with their changes.

Either way, I agree that Valve fucked up the normal flamethrowers' flames and tracking, while DF has too big hitbox imo

Are we talking about DF or Pyro's primaries in general?